Oslo bombed

Tabnabs · 25-07-2011 03:06PM

If he's charged with 'forvaring' then he will rot in a cell for the rest of his life. There has never been a case like this in Norway but there is provision in the law to handle drastic situations like this.

Should he be sentenced to 'forvaring' would mean the same as life imprisonment, says a professor of criminal law at the University of Oslo, Ståle Eskeland to NRK.

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostlandssendingen/1.7725391

PseudoFamous · 25-07-2011 03:10PM

Moomoo1 wrote: »

how does a prejudice against particular ethnic groups keep you alive exactly?

This is going to be flying wildly off topic, but anyway. About two years ago, there was a group of young Polish people (5/6 of them), who decided to go and kick the shoite out of as many Irish people as possible. They were quickly arrested and the whole matter was hushed up. I don't think they even got charged. Now, my trusting of Polish people slipped a notch or two after this, understandably. A month or so later, I was called asked for a cigarette lighter by a two Polish guys I had never even seen before, as I walked home from school. So I picked up the pace, and went into my friend's house, which happened to be around the corner. About 20 minutes later, we heard sirens, and an ambulance and squadcar were on the road, because they had knocked a randomer unconscious.

Now, had I been more trustworthy, that could easily have been me on the ground out cold, or possibly worse. Don't get me wrong, though, I have nothing against immigrants, so long as they try to integrate with society in some way.

Mezcita · 25-07-2011 03:17PM

PseudoFamous wrote: »

This is going to be flying wildly off topic, but anyway....

Yep.

Micky Dolenz · 25-07-2011 03:21PM

Sorry to go over old ground, but can someone briefly tell me how he was captured? It's surprising an over zealous police officer didn't put a hole in him.

PseudoFamous · 25-07-2011 03:24PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Sorry to go over old ground, but can someone briefly tell me how he was captured? It's surprising an over zealous police officer didn't put a hole in him.

Despite him having a whole load of ammo left, he ran to another side of the island, and awaited the police with his hands up.

Mezcita · 25-07-2011 03:25PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Sorry to go over old ground, but can someone briefly tell me how he was captured? It's surprising an over zealous police officer didn't put a hole in him.

18:09 - SWAT team arrives at lake

Local police officers arrived at the pier across from the island at 17:52, but had to wait for a "suitable boat" to take them across the water.

Police have been criticised for the time it took them to get to the island
The specially-equipped police officers from Oslo arrived shortly after at 18:09, but also had difficulty making the crossing.

Local police chief Erik Berga said a police boat intended to transport the armed unit nearly sank.

"When so many people and equipment were put into it, the boat started to take on water, so that the motor stopped," he told Reuters news agency. "The boat was way too small and way too poor."

Officers eventually arrived on the island at 18:25 after recreational boats were commandeered for the crossing.

Police have also defended their decision to drive to the lake, explaining that they believed it would have been quicker than scrambling a police helicopter, which was based in the south of the country.

18:27 - Gunman surrenders

Police arrived on the island at 18:25 and two minutes later the gunman surrendered without a fight. His shooting spree had lasted more than an hour.

Officers revealed on Sunday that he still had "a considerable amount" of ammunition for both his guns - a pistol and an automatic rifle - when he surrendered.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14260297

opinion guy · 25-07-2011 03:25PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Sorry to go over old ground, but can someone briefly tell me how he was captured? It's surprising an over zealous police officer didn't put a hole in him.

My guess is they weren't sure exactly what was going on and decided they needed him alive to find out if he had accomplices etc. Also fact he was wearing a police uniform may have provoked caution lest they shot one of their own guys who got separated or something.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 25-07-2011 03:28PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Sorry to go over old ground, but can someone briefly tell me how he was captured? It's surprising an over zealous police officer didn't put a hole in him.

I think they're still withholding a lot of details but reports said that he gave himself up.

I reckon he happily did so as soon as police arrived on the island so he could gain the notoriety that he craves and a platform if possible

catch me if you can · 25-07-2011 03:38PM

the fact we are on here talking about this scumbag would delight him. its exactly what he was hoping for. mass attention.
he should be beaten severely and then quitely executed. no trial , a trial is what the nut is hoping for.

Micky Dolenz · 25-07-2011 03:42PM

catch me if you can wrote: »

the fact we are on here talking about this scumbag would delight him. its exactly what he was hoping for. mass attention.
he should be beaten severely and then quitely executed. no trial , a trial is what the nut is hoping for.

Caught.

Banned, re reg.

philologos · 25-07-2011 03:43PM

This quote is from his father being interviewed by TV2 in Norway. I don't know why but for some reason it struck a chord with me:

The last thing he should have done, instead of killing so many people, is to kill himself. I'll never ever have any contact with him again [...] no normal person would every do anything like this.

Tabnabs · 25-07-2011 03:47PM

The father had no relationship with him, never lived with him and had not seen him since the mid 90s (all according to the father).

The mother on the other hand was very close to him and he visited her every Sunday for dinner. Be interesting to hear her take on things.

prinz · 25-07-2011 03:52PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

The father had no relationship with him, never lived with him and had not seen him since the mid 90s (all according to the father). The mother on the other hand was very close to him and he visited her every Sunday for dinner. Be interesting to hear her take on things.

I'm going to hazard a guess and say he has an unusually close relationship with her and had while he was growing up. She will deny all knowledge of what could possibly have lead him to this but I'd put a large bet on the fact that his parents had played a large role in his personality malfunction even if they didn't intend the outcome.

Overature · 25-07-2011 03:53PM

catch me if you can wrote: »

the fact we are on here talking about this scumbag would delight him. its exactly what he was hoping for. mass attention.
he should be beaten severely and then quitely executed. no trial , a trial is what the nut is hoping for.

execution is to much of an easy way out, let him live the rest of his life in a segregrated unit, 23 hours lock down with only his thoughts

philologos · 25-07-2011 03:53PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

The father had no relationship with him, never lived with him and had not seen him since the mid 90s (all according to the father).

The mother on the other hand was very close to him and he visited her every Sunday for dinner. Be interesting to hear her take on things.

Indeed. Perhaps I'm completely off the walls crazy, but it still registers with me emotionally that ones father would say that about his child. I think it's crazy, but perhaps I'm feeling that a parents love for ones child should be unconditional even if they massacre 93 people.

Overature · 25-07-2011 03:58PM

here is a link to the manefesto that he wrote, most of the interesting part is at the end, this guy is well and truly ****ed up

http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-content/uploads/2083+-+A+European+Declaration+of+Independence.pdf

juliek · 25-07-2011 04:05PM

That guy is a total nut. Looks like you just can't tell when someone who's a little bit freaky will go nuts and start shooting at people. If he hadn't been able to get his hands on a gun and tonnes of fertiliser this couldn't have happened. SOmeone was on the TV saying that in the UK, buying big quantities of fertiliser would ring alarm bells after the idiotic campaign of violence the IRA ran for years.

WesternNight · 25-07-2011 04:07PM

philologos wrote: »

Indeed. Perhaps I'm completely off the walls crazy, but it still registers with me emotionally that ones father would say that about ones child. I think it's crazy, but perhaps I'm feeling that a parents love for ones child should be unconditional even if they massacre 93 people.

I imagine it has to be one of the worst thing to have to come to terms with. Your child killing people. The child you created and raised (even if, as in this case, you haven't been in touch with him since his teens), and probably feel ultimately responsible for.

If neither parent suspected that anything like this could happen, it must be like their son is a completely different person. I think unconditional love would probably only remain for the son they thought they had, or wished they had, or used to have. If that makes sense.

Seachmall · 25-07-2011 04:07PM

juliek wrote: »

That guy is a total nut. Looks like you just can't tell when someone who's a little bit freaky will go nuts and start shooting at people. If he hadn't been able to get his hands on a gun and tonnes of fertiliser this couldn't have happened. SOmeone was on the TV saying that in the UK, buying big quantities of fertiliser would ring alarm bells after the idiotic campaign of violence the IRA ran for years.

He set up a farm business and bought the fertilizer through that. He had no criminal record, had a licensed gun for many years without incident and had to undergo weeks of training to obtain license for the handgun. For all intensive purposes he was a model citizen, until suddenly he wasn't.

Turtwig · 25-07-2011 04:12PM

Overature wrote: »

execution is to much of an easy way out, let him live the rest of his life in a segregrated unit, 23 hours lock down with only his thoughts

Also make sure he gets frequent mail from all the Devout Muslims believers who are currently praying for his twisted soul and prominent feminist activists.

25-07-2011 04:14PM

This is likely to be my most pointless and controversial post ever. If people jump on it, I wont react because I also think he is an evil sick fuk like the rest of you.

Obviously it's a disgusting act but I have a strange respect for him when I shouldn't.. If we take away what he actually did, I respect his likely intelligence and his devotion to "his cause". The rest of us sit back and don't do a thing about anything we care about.
It's the exact reaction he is looking for unfortunately and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Turtwig · 25-07-2011 04:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is likely to be my most pointless and controversial post ever. If people jump on it, I wont react because I also think he is an evil sick fuk like the rest of you.

Obviously it's a disgusting act but I have a strange respect for him when I shouldn't.. If we take away what he actually did, I respect his likely intelligence and his devotion to "his cause". The rest of us sit back and don't do a thing about anything we care about.
It's the exact reaction he is looking for unfortunately and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I understand where you coming from, but I don't think he's actually intelligent. I think that's just media falling for his own self perpetuated belief that he is intelligent. His manifestos have an air of intelligence to them, but really they're just sophistry. Same too for his "ingenious" plan. I respect nearly all humans who fought and died in a conflicts, on either side of various wars. This guy, however, gets no respect from me. He was a pure coward.

Revolution9 · 25-07-2011 04:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is likely to be my most pointless and controversial post ever. If people jump on it, I wont react because I also think he is an evil sick fuk like the rest of you.

Obviously it's a disgusting act but I have a strange respect for him when I shouldn't.. If we take away what he actually did, I respect his likely intelligence and his devotion to "his cause". The rest of us sit back and don't do a thing about anything we care about.
It's the exact reaction he is looking for unfortunately and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I don't quite understand what you're getting at. Hitler was intelligent and devoted to fascism. Do you respect him?

EDIT: And surely, if he really was devoted, he would've taken out senior Islamic clerics or something, or high-ranking EU officials, rather than a bunch of camping kids?

philologos · 25-07-2011 04:23PM

WesternNight wrote: »

I imagine it has to be one of the worst thing to have to come to terms with. Your child killing people. The child you created and raised (even if, as in this case, you haven't been in touch with him since his teens), and probably feel ultimately responsible for.

If neither parent suspected that anything like this could happen, it must be like their son is a completely different person. I think unconditional love would probably only remain for the son they thought they had, or wished they had, or used to have. If that makes sense.

Indeed. It's highly emotive stuff though. I can't imagine anything worse for a parent apart from that their child was dead. In this case I think what struck me was the insinuation that he should have gone off and committed suicide rather than doing what he did.

The last thing he should have done, instead of killing so many people, is to kill himself.

How depressing, but then again it is a highly depressing situation for many people in Oslo right now.

Lux23 · 25-07-2011 04:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is likely to be my most pointless and controversial post ever. If people jump on it, I wont react because I also think he is an evil sick fuk like the rest of you.

Obviously it's a disgusting act but I have a strange respect for him when I shouldn't.. If we take away what he actually did, I respect his likely intelligence and his devotion to "his cause". The rest of us sit back and don't do a thing about anything we care about.
It's the exact reaction he is looking for unfortunately and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I know what you mean, most people would just get bored of it.

Duggy747 · 25-07-2011 04:23PM

I neither respect nor admire his years of dedication to Friday. I do take note of how committed he was to seeing it through, right down to beginning an isolation phase with his friends / family and not seeking a girlfriend. He thoroughly researched each chemical and amount he'd need for a 75kg person when injected them into hollow-point rounds.

All I kept thinking about was how all those people he killed were living their lives normally as he travelled Europe collecting weapons in a shìtty Hyundai.

prinz · 25-07-2011 04:25PM

Malty_T wrote: »

I understand where you coming from, but I don't think he's actually intelligent..

He clearly has a decent level of intelligence regardless of his manifesto, as I put it earlier on the thread his choice of target alone was perfect for the plan he was about to carry out. He is certainly streets ahead of the others who just go to a school/shopping centre and start shooting randomly.

Malty_T wrote: »

I respect nearly all humans who fought and died in a conflicts, on either side of various wars. This guy, however, gets no respect from me. He was a pure coward.

Like many terrorists. The bit of 'respect' I have for him is that he gave himself up... unlike those closer to home who liked to stick a bomb in a bin and made sure they were well away before blowing up a couple of kids for instance, and wouldn't have the conviction to give themselves up for trial/imprisonment.

25-07-2011 04:27PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

I don't quite understand what you're getting at. Hitler was intelligent and devoted to fascism. Do you respect him?

EDIT: And surely, if he really was devoted, he would've taken out senior Islamic clerics or something, or high-ranking EU officials, rather than a bunch of camping kids?

In the exact same way, yes. He was an evil evil man but I can easily respect a single part of someones personality.

As for the edit, I'm sure he considered this.. And it would have been easy. I think his manifesto is more important to him than a few deaths and this was the easiest way to spread it.. If it was just an attack on an embassy, no one would think twice to download it.

gandalf · 25-07-2011 04:27PM

This guy is a deranged nutjob. His manifesto is plagiarised from numerous sources. He is a fantascist and I seriously doubt he is part of any organisation at all.

Unfortunately he had money and time to plan this out and the reason the death toll was so high is the people were more or less captive on that island so he could take his time.

He should spent the rest of his life behind bars with images of those whose lives he snuffed out so early in his face every waking hour.

Seachmall · 25-07-2011 04:30PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

I don't quite understand what you're getting at. Hitler was intelligent and devoted to fascism. Do you respect him?

He held a belief and was willing to risk his life and freedom to act on it. Obviously his opinions and beliefs don't coincide with the vast majority of people and his actions were inexcusable and completely immoral, but he did believe he was doing the right thing.

In this instance I don't have respect for him because I believe he's a narcissist with views completely out of touch with reality but in instances such as the fundamentalist religious (Islamic and Christian) I can see the parallel of soldiers fighting for what they believe in.

I don't condone their actions in any way but I can respect their selflessness in risking their lives to further a cause they view to be beneficial to society (e.g. Army of God). It's not uncommon to hear soldiers who fought in war to have respect for enemy soldiers, they have different ideologies and their actions are inexcusable to each other but the respect is there.

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