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Vatican "surprised", "disappointed" by "excessive reactions", recalls

  • 25-07-2011 01:53PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭


    WOW. :eek:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/world/europe/26church.html?_r=1

    Am I the only one who is surprised by this? I sincerely hope Enda Kenny stands his ground, no matter what is thrown in his face by these "holy" people. The people of Ireland, Enda, religious or otherwise, stand with you.
    A spokesman for the Vatican said that recalling a nunzio, the church’s equivalent of an ambassador, was a rare move that “denoted the seriousness of the situation,” as well the Holy See’s “will to deal with it with objectivity and determination.”

    The spokesman, Rev. Ciro Benedettini, told reporters on Monday that Archbishop Leanza would return to Rome to consult with Vatican officials who are preparing the Holy See’s official response to the Irish government, but added that the decision “does not exclude some degree of surprise and disappointment at certain excessive reactions.”

    The report caused a firestorm in the majority Catholic country, where for first time Irish lawmakers aimed their ire at the Vatican directly, and not at local church leaders.

    In unprecedented remarks, Prime Minister Enda Kenny last week decried “the dysfunction, disconnection, elitism, and the narcissism, that dominate the culture of the Vatican to this day.” Last week the Irish parliament also passed a motion decrying the Vatican’s role in “undermining child protection frameworks.”

    In a statement issued on Monday, the Vatican said it was recalling Archbishop Leanza following the release of the Cloyne Report “and in particular, the reactions that ensued.”

    Sickening. Absolutely mind bogglingly sickening. :(


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 449 ✭✭Emiko


    They should rename him the Papal Nonce-io.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    I was just about to post this. What sort of statement was that? It has to be a joke - surely even in canon law covering up rapes is wrong? If they don't agree, then fcuk off and don't ever darken the doors of Ireland again is my opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Excessive reaction? Is there such a thing when it comes to multiple child rapes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    The phrase that comes to mind is that "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction".

    It was the Vatican's (in)action that prompted the reaction, and that reaction was no more "excessive" than a firefighter pointing the hose in the direction of the source of the fire.

    An "excessive" reaction would have been to - say - kick out all priests and clergy, or to post guards on every priest and bishop (the reminder is required that some of them are decent people).

    The issue, I suspect, is that the reaction was so long overdue that it finally broadsided the Vatican because they had assumed they had carte blanche to do what they damn well pleased.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    ****ing scum.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Redlion


    I'm glad this has shaken the Vatican. It's about time someone of a high ranking in Ireland spoke out about the elitism and hiddne abuses of the Vatican. They can keep their ambassador as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    excessive reactions
    My hole, the man was highly reserved, shows how out of touch they are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    A few choice words, they are lucky churches are not being burned down (not that I'd advocate that, unless its one of those 60s/70s suburban carbuncles).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Has anyone named paedo been lynched, churches burnt down, priests randomly attacked...? The arrogance of these fuckers in this day and age is incredible. Let him fuck off and never darken the place again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    I don't mind individuals being religious, but the Catholic church as an institution now seems to be completely removed from reality. Their complete and utter disregard for the people who've suffered from abuse at the hands of clergy is the complete opposite of what the religion teaches.
    I've been impressed with how Enda Kenny's treated them and hope he stands his ground.
    The vatican needs to realise it's gone in the opposite direction of the teachings it was founded upon, and try to act in a christian manner.
    If they're not disbanded first. If people still want to be Christians they can do it without the church.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Excessive reaction? Is there such a thing when it comes to multiple child rapes?

    lol, think about the things the Church has done.

    When you get away with fueling The Crusades everything else will feel pretty minor by comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,976 ✭✭✭amacca


    mike65 wrote: »
    (not that I'd advocate that, unless its one of those 60s/70s suburban carbuncles).

    :D

    made my day that

    bit of an architecture connoisseur are we?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Note RTE (updated 1359) doesn't carry any mention of the "certain excessive reactions" bit.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0725/cloyne.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    We should have beaten the vatican to it by expelling him in the few days when we had the chance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Teclo


    I can't say that I blame them. After 1600 years trying to civilize us they finally see us for what we are - a rotten bunch of ignorant hypocrites always portraying ourselves as victims.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    They really are so out of touch it's not even funny.

    Their reaction to this just proves what Enda Kenny said is completely right.

    Bunch of dopes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    The Vatican just keeps on digging that fucking huge hole, and must be running out of space to store the sh1t they've already dug out.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    "You cant sack me!!!!!!! I QUIT!!!!!!!
    Perhaps....?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    I just cant comprehend the complete stupidity and ignorance that comes from the Vatican. They genuinely seem to be unable to comprehend the seriousness of what happened here and are treating it like some sort of minor incident.

    It's good to see the government standing up to the Vatican but if these idiots are to ever get how angry this country is and how serious this is the goverment needs to cut off diplomatic contact until they do understand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    Too bad that he wasn't pushed before he jumped,so to speak.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭Gottalovegreys


    Aww are the vatican a teeny bit upset. Poor diddums. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    mike65 wrote: »
    A few choice words, they are lucky churches are not being burned down (not that I'd advocate that)

    I'd advocate it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭Up de Barrs


    For a diplomatic service the Vatican representitives in Ireland seem remarkably out of touch with the views of the public here. I cant say he'll be missed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Teclo wrote: »
    I can't say that I blame them. After 1600 years trying to civilize us they finally see us for what we are - a rotten bunch of ignorant hypocrites always portraying ourselves as victims.

    Does that include the actual victims of abuse?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Teclo wrote: »
    I can't say that I blame them. After 1600 years trying to civilize us they finally see us for what we are - a rotten bunch of ignorant hypocrites always portraying ourselves as victims.

    What?

    Regardless of your interpretation of the Irish people (with which I disagree), or the actions of Irish officials (which was certainly lacking), the behavior of the Vatican has been and unfortunately continues to be inexcusable.

    Whatever happened to "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s"?

    If the Vatican cannot submit to the laws of a sovereign republic then let them go...and good riddance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    Don't like Enda or his blue shirt scum party at all but he needs to stick to his guns here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Don't like Enda or his blue shirt scum party at all but he needs to stick to his guns here.

    Fine Gael and your love or hate for them belong in another thread, no need to stick the boot in here tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Clearly child rape is merely a minor matter for the Vatican, hence their irrelevant and insufficient response on the issue. But at least people are now thinking for themselves, instead of being blindly lead by the hypocritical Emperor and his legion in Rome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Teclo wrote: »
    I can't say that I blame them. After 1600 years trying to civilize us they finally see us for what we are - a rotten bunch of ignorant hypocrites always portraying ourselves as victims.

    Looks like we've got a live one here....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Teclo


    Does that include the actual victims of abuse?


    Obviously not. But if we were to expel everyone in the country who failed to stop child abuse the place would very soon become empty. Among the first to go would be people like Kenny who had the opportunity to introduce mandatory reporting of all child abuse while in government in the 90's but apparently decided against it. Downplaying the rape and torture of children, as some might say.


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