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Oslo bombed

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    I think the general consensus is that he made sure to be taken alive because he wants to "explain" and get his views some publicity. Sickening, really.

    Yup, actually paints a worse picture of him as an even bigger psycho. As if he's almost proud of his work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    I think the general consensus is that he made sure to be taken alive because he wants to "explain" and get his views some publicity. Sickening, really. Unfortunately it is so rare to get a serial killer alive he will doubtless get a lot of publicity.You can imagine the press are foaming at the mouth at the thought of getting to speak to him.


    Yes, it certainly is strating to look like that. Does he want a platform to explain his motives? Well, he's got that now. Bastard.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    I think the general consensus is that he made sure to be taken alive because he wants to "explain" and get his views some publicity. Sickening, really. Unfortunately it is so rare to get a serial killer alive he will doubtless get a lot of publicity.You can imagine the press are foaming at the mouth at the thought of getting to speak to him.

    Disagree with this. I hate when these shooters kill themselves after the fact, it just always seems like justice has been denied.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Yes, it certainly is strating to look like that. Does he want a platform to explain his motives? Well, he's got that now. Bastard.

    I say let him, allow him to attempt to explain how carrying out this act of wanton carnage has helped his cause. If anything it will damage any cause he thinks he's fighting for as any sane person will be reviled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    RIP


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    karma_ wrote: »
    I say let him, allow him to attempt to explain how carrying out this act of wanton carnage has helped his cause. If anything it will damage any cause he thinks he's fighting for as any sane person will be reviled.

    Any for the insane he will become a living figurehead. It's a double edged sword. Think of the fanmail some serial killers receive while in prison etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    karma_ wrote: »
    I say let him, allow him to attempt to explain how carrying out this act of wanton carnage has helped his cause. If anything it will damage any cause he thinks he's fighting for as any sane person will be reviled.

    I'm begining to think he just did this for attention, like Mark Chapman did when he killed Lennon. Maybe that is all the motive behind it.

    He put up no resitence at all when arrested, just gave himself up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    karma_ wrote: »
    Disagree with this. I hate when these shooters kill themselves after the fact, it just always seems like justice has been denied.
    I'm saying the unfortunate bit is that he'll get a platform for his views.I'm glad he was taken alive so he can spend the rest of his life in prison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    I'm saying the unfortunate bit is that he'll get a platform for his views.I'm glad he was taken alive so he can spend the rest of his life in prison.
    Maybe not. Seemingly, the maximum he can serve under Norwegian law is 21 years.

    21 years. How many kids won't see their 21st birthday becuase of him?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    prinz wrote: »
    Any for the insane he will become a living figurehead. It's a double edged sword. Think of the fanmail some serial killers receive while in prison etc.

    Well then that is something we have to accept. Also, now the families of the dead have something they can use to garner any semblance of justice for their loved ones, they will have the satisfaction of seeing him taken through teh courts and convicted rather than being left with the lingering 'why?' question.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Maybe not. Seemingly, the maximum he can serve under Norwegian law is 21 years.

    21 years. How many kids won't see their 21st birthday becuase of him?

    There is an option discussed earlier in the thread about forvaring which in this case should mean he never sees the light of day again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    karma_ wrote: »
    Well then that is something we have to accept. Also, now the families of the dead have something they can use to garner any semblance of justice for their loved ones, they will have the satisfaction of seeing him taken through teh courts and convicted rather than being left with the lingering 'why?' question.

    That's what I mean. Double edged sword unfortunately. Dead or alive, they both have pros and cons. The fact that they didn't capture him alive, but he rather seems to have given himself up deliberately sounds like being captured alive was very much his intention. As such, his evil scheme is still on track.


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't worry - there is little chance he will ever, ever, ever, ever see the light of day. Do you think the people of Norway, or of the World, will ever want to see a mass murderer of children let free?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    Don't worry - there is little chance he will ever, ever, ever, ever see the light of day. Do you think the people of Norway, or of the World, will ever want to see a mass murderer of children let free?

    A better question is "Will the Norwegian legal system be able to keep him longer than 21 years if he can prove he's not insane?"


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A better question is "Will the Norwegian legal system be able to keep him longer than 21 years if he can prove he's not insane?"

    It's likely they'll try to make amendments to this law, just to keep him in jail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    It's likely they'll try to make amendments to this law, just to keep him in jail.

    Laws aren't retrospective though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    philologos wrote: »
    Laws aren't retrospective though.

    He's charged with killing 92 people, I'd say they can work a way around it to keep him in prison for as long as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Can he not be charged 90+ times for individual murders and run the sentences consecutively?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Read the following profile on the Guardian, about this terrorist:

    Anders Behring Breivik: profile of a mass murderer

    Also, some bloggers are saying that Breivik was behind the Fjordman blog, which is certainly possible, considering what we know from his profile, but I haven't seen anywhere else say it, so its speculation.

    Anyway, hopefully he will rot for the rest of there miserable lives in prison.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Sgt. Sensible


    Out of nowhere, Sky just said "It is not clear if he had other Neo-Nazi Accomplices". Where did they get that he was a neo-Nazi? Grahh, makes me angry.
    Just making it up as they go along. He's not a nazi though, he thinks they were/are marxists ffs. I'd prefer if he was your garden variety insane sieg heiler, but he appears to be significantly more 'normal' than the neonazi bogeymen. His views wouldn't be out of place on forums like this or in the sort of article Kevin Myers bangs out in his sleep.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    2 new pictures were slapped up on the end of this video which surfaced yesterday under the username BerwickAndrew



    The pictures themselves, the 2nd is most interesting:

    In military uniform

    In scuba gear aiming a big-ass gun

    The account was created on 22 April of this year, last activity was yesterday. Could've been hacked but the inclusion of the picture of him in scuba gear is odd. Very anti-Islamic video and propaganda

    EDIT: I've put up clearer pics, read the seal on this arm in the 2nd pic and the skull seal that's in both pics


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    The death toll is now believed to be 98. I hope it doesn't break 100.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Duggy747: I'm not sure as to how real the pictures look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭WesternNight


    Duggy747 wrote: »

    The pictures themselves, the 2nd is most interesting:

    In military uniform

    In scuba gear aiming a big-ass gun

    The account was created on 22 April of this year, last activity was yesterday. Could've been hacked but the inclusion of the picture of him in scuba gear is odd. Very anti-Islamic video and propaganda

    I wonder is there a way to tell what time that video was posted. If it was after the incidents then it's definitely not him..

    The scuba picture is weird, but would reflect the whole guns + water thing.. it's out of context with the actual video though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    The death toll is now believed to be 98. I hope it doesn't break 100.

    hopefully it won't break 99?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Apparently, he wrote 2083 - A European Declaration Of Independence and e-mailed / messaged it to everyone in his contacts before the events.

    The .pdf is all over the place now and it's 1500 pages long.

    Here's a bit at the start where he links the video I embedded earlier:
    About the compendium - 2083


    “The men the European public admires most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.”

    You can see a movie presentation of the compendium by visiting the below links. It will not be available for a long period so consider taking a backup copy of it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOfH8Dj1mw
    http://www.veoh.com/watch/v21123164bZCBQeZ8

    After years of work the first edition of the compendium “2083 – A European Declaration of Independence” is completed. If you have received this book, you are either one of my former 7000 patriotic Facebook friends or you are the friend of one of my FB friends. If you are concerned about the future of Western Europe you will definitely find the information both interesting and highly relevant.

    I have spent several years writing, researching and compiling the information and I have spent most of my hard earned funds in this process (in excess of 300 000 Euros). I do not want any compensation for it as it is a gift to you, as a fellow patriot.

    Much of the information presented in this compendium (3 books) has been deliberately kept away from the European peoples by our governments and the politically correct mainstream media (MSM). More than 90% of the EU and national parliamentarians and more than 95% of journalists are supporters of European multiculturalism and therefore supporters of the ongoing Islamic colonisation of Europe; yet, they DO NOT have the permission of the European peoples to implement these doctrines.

    The compendium, - “2083 – A European Declaration of Independence” - documents through more than 1000 pages that the fear of Islamisation is all but irrational.

    It covers the following main topics:


    1. The rise of cultural Marxism/multiculturalism in Western Europe
    2. Why the Islamic colonization and Islamisation of Western Europe began
    3. The current state of the Western European Resistance Movements (anti-Marxist/anti-Jihad movements)
    4. Solutions for Western Europe and how we, the resistance, should move forward in the coming decades
    5. + Covering all, highly relevant topics including solutions and strategies for all of the 8 different political fronts


    The compendium/book presents advanced ideological, practical, tactical, organisational and rhetorical solutions and strategies for all patriotic-minded individuals/movements. The book will be of great interest to you whether you are a moderate or a more dedicated cultural conservative/nationalist.

    Included are also demographical studies, historical statistics, forecasts and insights on various subjects related to the ongoing and future struggle of Europe. It covers most topics related to historical events and aspects of past and current Islamic Imperialism, which is now removed or falsified by our academia by instruction of Western Europe’s cultural relativist elites (cultural relativism=cultural Marxism). It offers thorough analysis of Islam, which is unknown to a majority of Europeans. It documents how the political doctrines known as multiculturalism/cultural Marxism/cultural relativism was created and implemented. Multiculturalists/cultural Marxists usually operate under the disguise of humanism. A majority are anti-nationalists and want to deconstruct European identity, traditions, culture and even nation states.

    As we all know, the root of Europe's problems is the lack of cultural self-confidence (nationalism). Most people are still terrified of nationalistic political doctrines thinking that if we ever embrace these principles again, new “Hitler’s” will suddenly pop up and initiate global Armageddon... Needless to say; the growing numbers of nationalists in W. Europe are systematically being ridiculed, silenced and persecuted by the current cultural Marxist/multiculturalist political establishments. This has been a continuous ongoing process which started in 1945. This irrational fear of nationalistic doctrines is preventing us from stopping our own national/cultural suicide as the Islamic colonization is increasing annually. This book presents the only solutions to our current problems.

    You cannot defeat Islamisation or halt/reverse the Islamic colonization of Western Europe without first removing the political doctrines manifested through multiculturalism/cultural Marxism…

    I have written approximately half of the compendium myself. The rest is a compilation of works from several courageous individuals throughout the world. I originally planned to add a database of high quality graphic illustrations and pictures. However, the document (file) would have been un-practically large which would complicate the process of efficient distribution.

    From a poster who glanced through the document:
    The document consists of three "books" titled "1. What you need to know, our falsified history and other forms of cultural Marxist/multiculturalist propaganda", "2. Europe Burning" and "3. A Declaration of pre-emptive War" (which has a chapter titled "3.4 Why armed resistance against the cultural Marxist/multiculturalist regimes of Western Europe is the only rational approach").

    edit: in the third book, he goes into detail on planning for operations like these, including chapters on funding, avoiding suspicion from relatives, equipment, physical training, "applying deceptive means in urban guerrilla warfare"...

    Still not counted as legit, of course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Sgt. Sensible


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    Still not counted as legit, of course.

    It's utterly mental. If it's legit, I'll withdraw my earlier assessment of him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    In scuba gear aiming a big-ass gun

    The account was created on 22 April of this year, last activity was yesterday. Could've been hacked but the inclusion of the picture of him in scuba gear is odd. Very anti-Islamic video and propaganda

    EDIT: I've put up clearer pics, read the seal on this arm in the 2nd pic and the skull seal that's in both pics

    The scuba picture is weird, but would reflect the whole guns + water thing.. it's out of context with the actual video though.

    I'm sure it matters little, but that's not Scuba gear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    wes wrote: »
    Also, some bloggers are saying that Breivik was behind the Fjordman blog, which is certainly possible, considering what we know from his profile, but I haven't seen anywhere else say it, so its speculation.

    Some people just have grudges against him.

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/07/fjordman-speaks-out.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    Sky news are saying hes a neo-Nazi even though he was anti-Nazi, pro Isreal, was a Winston Churchill fan and admired the Norwegians who fought against the Nazis.

    I have not heard much said about him being a freemason. You know the secret society that gets up to no good.


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