Dealing with rape and serious crime......The Iranian way.

ascanbe · 23-07-2011 02:54AM

Funny, this is just the type of 'justice' that a good number of regular AH posters profess to wish was carried out in this country.
Though they probably don't like it, in this case, as it seems to be being carried out by Muslims, who many of these same posters implicitly distrust on the basis that they believe these Muslims are hell-bent on, and on the verge of, introducing their brand of justice to this country.
Could be confusing, if you didn't realise that these particular posters aren't particularly au-fait with logic.

Chuck Stone · 23-07-2011 03:15AM

Discodog wrote: »

I know of someone who was convicted of raping a foster daughter. He was sentenced to 8 years. The sentencing judge said that the evidence was compelling & that he was in no doubt about the man's guilt.

Okay.

Incredibly a few weeks later a social worker overheard the two kids joking about how the plan had worked & that they had got rid of him.

You what? A social worker overheard 2 kids gloating about having an innocent man imprisoned? Really?
And these kids were so dumb that they let a SW over hear them?
And the SW didn't follow it up and have the 'innocent' man released?
And you know all this?

WTF? You do realise that your story makes you seem like you're full of ****?

The kids had dreamt up the idea because they thought that it would get them sent back to their mother. The man is still utterly devastated.

WTF is going on here?

lightspeed wrote: »

Ok ive tried to see all points of view but i really cant see how its logical that we dont have a death penalty and here is why,
innocent children starve to death everyday and countries from the developed world give little aid to help and certainly not enough as africa nations live with their life long austerity and debt repayments. So as humans we accept that its is ok for us to allow children to starve to death but we decide that we need to save rapists and murderers. how is that logical?
If it costs thousands each year for each rapist and i see adverts on the tv saying that €3 a month can save a childs life then do the math, are we not making a conscience decision to sentence thousands or at least hundreds of starving children for each and every rapist and murderer we spend our money on to save?
If i showed you 2 rooms and in one room there 200 children starving to death and in the other room there was 1 convicted rapist and i only gave you enough money to save the lives of one room which would you choose the rapist or the children?
Most i think would choose to save the children but yet all across the world governments choose the opposite and most people support this despite that if pushed to accept that the above illustration is a reality would choose otherwise.
So where is the logic? why do we look at our money and say lets save the rapists and let the children starve?
At the moment Somalia is about look even more like Auschwitz and yet we cry for rapists? why do some people choose the room with the rapist?

So let's execute the bad people here to save the poor babies abroad?

LOL.

ascanbe · 23-07-2011 03:29AM

lightspeed wrote: »

Ok ive tried to see all points of view but i really cant see how its logical that we dont have a death penalty and here is why,
innocent children starve to death everyday and countries from the developed world give little aid to help and certainly not enough as africa nations live with their life long austerity and debt repayments. So as humans we accept that its is ok for us to allow children to starve to death but we decide that we need to save rapists and murderers. how is that logical?
If it costs thousands each year for each rapist and i see adverts on the tv saying that €3 a month can save a childs life then do the math, are we not making a conscience decision to sentence thousands or at least hundreds of starving children for each and every rapist and murderer we spend our money on to save?
If i showed you 2 rooms and in one room there 200 children starving to death and in the other room there was 1 convicted rapist and i only gave you enough money to save the lives of one room which would you choose the rapist or the children?
Most i think would choose to save the children but yet all across the world governments choose the opposite and most people support this despite that if pushed to accept that the above illustration is a reality would choose otherwise.
So where is the logic? why do we look at our money and say lets save the rapists and let the children starve?
At the moment Somalia is about look even more like Auschwitz and yet we cry for rapists? why do some people choose the room with the rapist?

I see your point; but you can strive to change a 'system', as good a word as any to describe the forces that currently hold sway in this world at this time, that is blase about the thought of children starving to death and also be against the concept of the death penalty.
These things aren't mutually exclusive.

policarp · 23-07-2011 03:33AM

twinQuins wrote: »

tautologies .

Twins of sorts.
High Five. . .

deisedave · 23-07-2011 03:37AM

seamus wrote: »

It's a country with a medieval mindset and modern technology. I'm not really surprised that they act like savages. I was going to say animals, but animals would run a more civilised nation.

Thats racist

ascanbe · 23-07-2011 04:10AM

deisedave wrote: »

Thats racist

It's really just pretty dumb, as anyone who knows anything about Iran, would know that it's a dichotomy of a country;a religion dominated, 'medieval' mind-set and practice of some people co-existing, for the time being, with an ultra-modern segment who seem almost slavishly enthralled by 'western' values, and live, or attempt to live, that lifestyle to the extreme.
For instance Tehran has one of the highest per-capita spending rates on plastic surgery of any city in the world.
There was a 'western' backed/sanctioned overthrow of an elected government there before, of course, which led to the the 'Shah' holding power and the promotion of these 'medieval' methods.
It certainly seems a country primed for another revolution now, though, if it isn't bombed first.

Freddie59 · 23-07-2011 10:56AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

I am not saying you have lost the plot (although I disagree on the death penalty). I am saying the government has. It's bizarre that public officials say that rapes are because women are dressed inappropriately and yet they hang the suspects.

All reverts back to the medieval views of a handful of fundamental fanatics using religion as a weapon. Very sad really. But, on the other hand, I have to say that we need something stronger than our current laws here.

Glenster · 23-07-2011 05:12PM

seamus wrote: »

It's a country with a medieval mindset and modern technology. I'm not really surprised that they act like savages. I was going to say animals, but animals would run a more civilised nation.

Been to Iran have you?

A woman ****ed a dog last month in Limerick, I wouldnt paint everyone in Europe with the bestiality brush because of that.

Mike 1972 · 23-07-2011 06:49PM

Skunkle wrote: »

Are you under the assumption that I want to execute people who have not been proven to be 100% guilty ? If there is no genetic testing/dna actual scientific proof that they are guilty, regardless of testimony then you cant execute someone.

DNA testing is not as infailable as it is often made out to be.

There was a lot of scientific evidence of the guilt of the Birmingham Six/Guildford Four etc or at least thats how it appeard at the time.

El Siglo · 23-07-2011 06:50PM

My sister lives in Riyadh, and they make the foreigners sit near the front if they choose to attend a public execution (beheading), which is pretty fucking grim to say the least. As terrible as it is, including this situation in Iran, this is how they do things and how they've done things for a good many years now and all the videos by Amnesty International isn't going to change that. They're not animals, it's just a completely different world.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 23-07-2011 06:55PM

if your country does alot of business with western world you can do what the hell you want in human right issues.

El Siglo · 23-07-2011 06:56PM

Tobias Narrow Swine wrote: »

if your country does alot of business with western world you can do what the hell you want in human right issues.

Just look at China sure.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 23-07-2011 06:58PM

El Siglo wrote: »

Just look at China sure.

Exactly,i laughed other day to read usa doesn't support independence of tibet-

http://www.tibetsun.com/archive/2011/07/18/dalai-lama-wanted-to-show-an-old-friends-face/

El Siglo · 23-07-2011 07:02PM

Tobias Narrow Swine wrote: »

Exactly,i laughed other day to read usa doesn't support independence of tibet-

http://www.tibetsun.com/archive/2011/07/18/dalai-lama-wanted-to-show-an-old-friends-face/

Also because Tibet has one of the largest Lithium reserves in the world (useful for anything electronic really) and as long as China has domain over it, the US aren't going to rock the boat considering also China owns the largest share of US government backed bonds.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 23-07-2011 07:06PM

i believe they do business with Zimbabwe so nobody bothers mugabe-

http://www.upiasia.com/Security/2009/01/26/china_expanding_african_arms_sales/1148/

lightspeed · 23-07-2011 09:58PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Okay.

You what? A social worker overheard 2 kids gloating about having an innocent man imprisoned? Really?
And these kids were so dumb that they let a SW over hear them?
And the SW didn't follow it up and have the 'innocent' man released?
And you know all this?

WTF? You do realise that your story makes you seem like you're full of ****?

WTF is going on here?

So let's execute the bad people here to save the poor babies abroad?

LOL.

yes you got it in one. is it not somewhat racist or at least sickening and disgusting that you care more for guilty irish rapists than innocent
african children?
Some make it sound like there is no death penalty but when we look at our money and decide not to spend it on children and instead save rapists its blind hypocrisy to say there is no death penalty, of course there is its just that we sentence innocent foreign children as opposed to sentencing guilty rapists to death. tax payer also gets a life sentence and when a rapist is released from prison and does not have enough money for a house or cant get a job what you think happens? free house and free social welfare for life. It just does not make any sense to not have a death penalty for the reasons i have listed.

123balltv · 23-07-2011 10:19PM

It's the Iranian way in my house if any of more Sisters where raped
my Father would be the first to get justice forget cops/courts

paddyandy · 23-07-2011 11:07PM

Are there any reliable figures for crime and punishment in other parts of the world?

Chuck Stone · 24-07-2011 10:09PM

lightspeed wrote: »

yes you got it in one. is it not somewhat racist or at least sickening and disgusting that you care more for guilty irish rapists than innocent
african children?
Some make it sound like there is no death penalty but when we look at our money and decide not to spend it on children and instead save rapists its blind hypocrisy to say there is no death penalty, of course there is its just that we sentence innocent foreign children as opposed to sentencing guilty rapists to death. tax payer also gets a life sentence and when a rapist is released from prison and does not have enough money for a house or cant get a job what you think happens? free house and free social welfare for life. It just does not make any sense to not have a death penalty for the reasons i have listed.

That's some screwed up 'logic' right there.

Dealing with rape and serious crime......The Iranian way.

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