Dealing with rape and serious crime......The Iranian way.

Run_to_da_hills

This couldn't possibly happen in Ireland because bus unions wouldn't allow it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017569/Amnesty-condemns-surge-public-Iranian-hangings.html

Quazzie

For those on mobiles

Lined up standing on buses in front of a baying mob with their necks tied to a bridge, these are the final moments of three men subjected to a public hanging.

But rather than originating from decades ago, these pictures were taken last week in Iran, where the death penalty is still publicly used to this day.

After the ties are secured, the buses on which the men stand are driven away, leaving the hastily-convicted criminals hanging in front of crowds of onlookers, many of whom are children.

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A shocking video has been released by Amnesty International showing a public execution in Iran



Outrage: The video was passed on to human rights campaign group Amnesty International

The footage was released by human rights group Amnesty International, who have denounced the renewed surge in the use of the death penalty across the Islamic republic.


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The video was shot on July in Azadi Square, in the western city of Kermanshah and features the public execution of three men convicted of rape.

During the 26-second clip in which the crimes of the men are announced over a loudspeaker, numerous onlookers are seen photographing or filming the graphic executions.

Human rights officials are concerned not only about the executions, but also the legal system preceding them.

It is thought the three men seen hanged were tried and convicted of rape within two months, raising questions about the fairness of their trial.

Amnesty International say the deaths are among at least 28 executions acknowledged by the authorities.

The group's Middle East and North Africa Deputy Director Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui said: 'These latest public executions underline the continuing horror of the death penalty in Iran.


Amnesty International have described the videos as 'deeply disturbing' and a 'gross affront to human dignity'



Grisly: At the end of the video the buses move away and the prisoners die in front of the crowd

'Not only those executed, but all those who watch public executions, including, children, are brutalised and degraded by the experience.

'These public displays of killing perpetuate a culture of acceptance of violence and bloodlust, rather than a belief in justice.

'It is deeply disturbing that despite a moratorium on public executions ordered in 2008, the Iranian authorities are once again resorting to this inhuman practice.

'All executions violate the right to life. Those carried out publicly are a gross affront to human dignity which cannot be tolerated.

'Executions after speedy unfair trials are no solution to the extremely serious problem of rape in Iran, which feeds on the acceptance of violence against women at all levels of society.

'The Iranian authorities should be aiming to combat this culture of violence rather than perpetuate it through these public displays of brutality.'

The executions follow several widely publicised gang rapes of women this year in Iran. In some cases, officials blamed the victims for failing to adhere to the official code on dress or gender segregation.

According to UN human rights experts, executions in public serve no legitimate purpose and only increase the cruel, inhuman and degrading nature of this punishment.

The Iranian authorities do not publish official statistics on their use of the death penalty, despite repeated calls for transparency by UN human rights bodies.

Note: Some readers may find the footage disturbing.

dlofnep

Capital punishment isn't unique to Iran. 60% of the world's population live in countries which practice capital punishment.

Personally, I find it to be crude and archaic. And for many, it's actually a quick escape from punishment.

seamus

It's a country with a medieval mindset and modern technology. I'm not really surprised that they act like savages. I was going to say animals, but animals would run a more civilised nation.

ILikeBananas

Read the comments at the end of that article, especially the ones that are ratest the highest. Gives you a good snapshot of the average daily mail reader.

southsiderosie

The death penalty is barbaric, no matter where an how it is practiced, but for me this stood out:

'Executions after speedy unfair trials are no solution to the extremely serious problem of rape in Iran, which feeds on the acceptance of violence against women at all levels of society.

'The Iranian authorities should be aiming to combat this culture of violence rather than perpetuate it through these public displays of brutality.'

The executions follow several widely publicised gang rapes of women this year in Iran. In some cases, officials blamed the victims for failing to adhere to the official code on dress or gender segregation.

The regime has created the conditions that make these kinds of crimes widespread and seen as 'acceptable', and then turns around and executes people who perpetuate them. This is the definition of ass-backwards. Now I am not saying that the perpetrators are not culpable - they are - but unfortunately given the ill-regard with which those in power seem to view women, none of this is surprising - unfortunately.

Given the rich history of Persian culture, it is horrible to see what religious fanaticism has done to this country.

Sticky_Fingers

Amnesty International:

"Won't somebody please think of the rapists!!!!"

They got what they deserved if they did it, the only problem I would have is whether or not they got a fair trial, since it's Iran they would be question mark a large question mark over the proceedings.

ILikeBananas

dlofnep wrote: »

Capital punishment isn't unique to Iran. 60% of the world's population live in countries which practice capital punishment.

It's nowhere near that high

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country


Also, most of the countries that do practice it do so sparingly.

China, the US, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Syria and North Korea are the only ones who executed more than 10 last year (officially).

Ray Palmer

Of course it has always been proven that the judicial system is correct.

Those Irish bombers in Birmingham should have been hanged.

The drug dealing hit and run publican should have got the same in Donegal too.

Not being religious myself I don't get the punishment of death but the witch monkey told me he'd come back and tell me how bad hell is. Not a peep from him yet

RichieC

The US has put invalids to death.

southsiderosie

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

Amnesty International:

"Won't somebody please think of the rapists!!!!"

They got what they deserved if they did it, the only problem I would have is whether or not they got a fair trial, since it's Iran they would be question mark a large question mark over the proceedings.

I would question most 'trials' in Iran. People are imprisoned there for being gay, for dressing improperly, or for daring to criticize the government.

And, again, when you have public officials who legitimize rape by noting that the victims were dressed improperly, yet at the same time rapists are hanged publicly, you have lost the plot somewhere. The victims are blamed, and the perpetrators are killed barbarically - I don't see where anyone wins here.

Sticky_Fingers

southsiderosie wrote: »

I would question most 'trials' in Iran. People are imprisoned there for being gay, for dressing improperly, or for daring to criticize the government.

And, again, when you have public officials who legitimize rape by noting that the victims were dressed improperly, yet at the same time rapists are hanged publicly, you have lost the plot somewhere. The victims are blamed, and the perpetrators are killed barbarically - I don't see where anyone wins here.

No I haven't lost the plot, if they raped then then they got what they deserved. The same would go for other premeditated acts of violence that have effectively destroyed another persons life.

sparks24

we'll i'd hang a few heads from my area without blinking there isn't any hope for them they would burn you out of your house or in it with your family or shoot you dead for the smallest of reasons.

there is no hope for them they are evil and will never change, putting them in jail will change nothing at all and only cost the state money and more misery after they are left out after there joke of a sentence. so +1 for Iran no fúcking around there

southsiderosie

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

No I haven't lost the plot, if they raped then then they got what they deserved. The same would go for other premeditated acts of violence that have effectively destroyed another persons life.

I am not saying you have lost the plot (although I disagree on the death penalty). I am saying the government has. It's bizarre that public officials say that rapes are because women are dressed inappropriately and yet they hang the suspects.

homerjay2005

theres alot of people who deserve it in this country, but the problem is that the justice system is so f*cked up, that the people who would get hung would be innocent.

im all for it though, in serious cases where there is no reasonable doubt about a killing and there is 0 chance the person is innocent.

its never going to happen here though.

dlofnep

ILikeBananas wrote: »

It's nowhere near that high

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country


Also, most of the countries that do practice it do so sparingly.

China, the US, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Syria and North Korea are the only ones who executed more than 10 last year (officially).

The population of China and India alone is 2.5 billion people. Throw on top of that a list of African nations and Arab nations, along with the US and other western nations - and you'll come close to that figure.

46 executions in the US alone in 2010. So like I said, Iran is not unique in this matter.

policarp

The Irish version of a suspended is vastly different to the Iranian version. . .

Duggy747

Homosexuals also are hanged there in certain parts.

smokedeels

dlofnep wrote: »

The population of China and India alone is 2.5 billion people. Throw on top of that a list of African nations and Arab nations, along with the US and other western nations - and you'll come close to that figure.

46 executions in the US alone in 2010. So like I said, Iran is not unique in this matter.

It strange to me that you would gauge capital punishment's usage by population and not by country, most of that 60% don't get to choose the powers their state possesses.

I would be surprised if anything close to that number of people living in democratic country’s would want to hand goverment the power to end people’s lives.

stephen_k

Man this article has it all for the Daily Mail reader... Baying mobs, latent racism, a good ol' rape story, and a "hang em all" finale....

Run_to_da_hills

stephen_k wrote: »

Man this article has it all for the Daily Mail reader... Baying mobs, latent racism, a good ol' rape story, and a "hang em all" finale....

Telegraph version here with video and chanting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8653780/Iran-public-hanging-video-emerges.html

PARKHEAD67

seamus wrote: »

It's a country with a medieval mindset and modern technology. I'm not really surprised that they act like savages. I was going to say animals, but animals would run a more civilised nation.

Exactly.A lot of what goes on there is prehistoric.People get hanged without trial or anything.For trivial things.Most of the prosecuted will have the **** beat out of em to admit to something they most likely didnt do. In Ireland we have the opposite.The law is on the accused side all the time.A case in Ennis recently where a man with 60-something previous convictions commits "manslaughter" and gets 4 years in prison.:mad:.What would happen to him in Iran? Hed be long gone.

mackg

Reading 1984 at the moment, the resemblance is uncanny.

dlofnep

smokedeels wrote: »

It strange to me that you would gauge capital punishment's usage by population and not by country, most of that 60% don't get to choose the powers their state possesses.

Who said I gauged the usage by population? I stated that 60% of the world's population live in countries which perform capital punishment. No more, no less. The point went over your head in any case, which was that it's not unique to Iran.

biko

They know how to punish rapists over there.

MungBean

Some people need to be removed permanently from society. I'd hang em from a bus faster than I'd fork out a fortune to keep them locked up.

Not saying I would be so crude as to hang them from a bus by the way.
Bullet in the head would do just fine.

Discodog

biko wrote: »

They know how to punish rapists over there.

I know of someone who was convicted of raping a foster daughter. He was sentenced to 8 years. The sentencing judge said that the evidence was compelling & that he was in no doubt about the man's guilt.
Incredibly a few weeks later a social worker overheard the two kids joking about how the plan had worked & that they had got rid of him.

The kids had dreamt up the idea because they thought that it would get them sent back to their mother. The man is still utterly devastated.

There is never a 100% certainty.

The USA have even sentenced teenagers to death & then kept them until they are old enough to be executed.

The_Thing

There's plenty of good-for-nothing scum locked up in Irish prisons - costing all of us money, too - who deserve nothing more than to be put to death.

Dudess

Bit of a quandary for those who are both pro death penalty and islamophobic (plenty). :pac:

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

Amnesty International:

"Won't somebody please think of the rapists!!!!"

It's not so much that - rapists should go to prison for a long, long time - it's the fact a state practises something so primitively barbaric, no matter what the crime. A government should be above that.

fedor.2.

Dudess wrote: »

Bit of a quandary for those who are both pro death penalty and islamophobic (plenty). :pac:

It's not so much that - rapists should go to prison for a long, long time - it's the fact a state practises something so primitively barbaric, no matter what the crime. A government should be above that.

Right on time

Magic Beans

Very much like Ireland... a suspended sentence...

fedor.2.

Magic Beans wrote: »

Very much like Ireland... a suspended sentence...

Good work:D

Dudess

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This couldn't possibly happen in Ireland because bus unions wouldn't allow it.

:pac:

Amirani

The_Thing wrote: »

There's plenty of good-for-nothing scum locked up in Irish prisons - costing all of us money, too - who deserve nothing more than to be put to death.

What gives you the right to decide whether someone deserves to live or die? The Irish people as a whole believe that the death penalty is not a suitable punishment for any offence.

Sticky_Fingers

Dudess wrote: »

It's not so much that - rapists should go to prison for a long, long time - it's the fact a state practises something so primitively barbaric, no matter what the crime. A government should be above that.

Personally I have no problem with state sanctioned execution for serious premeditated offenses against another person. Rapists and murderers who have complete control over their faculties (i.e not children, mentally disabled or those who have otherwise diminished responsibility) should expect to pay the ultimate price for their crimes.

They have shown no compunction destroying the lives of others so we, as a society should show none in taking theirs.

Discodog

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

They have shown no compunction destroying the lives of others so we, as a society should show none in taking theirs.

So when we get it wrong & execute an innocent man, do we hang the judge for murder ?

Amirani

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

They have shown no compunction destroying the lives of others so we, as a society should show none in taking theirs.

If we lived in a society based on an "eye for an eye" sense of justice we'd all be pretty blind at this stage. We're no better than murderers if we commit the exact crime that they do.

Mrmoe

In countries like this execution is often more humane than imprisonment especially for atrocious crimes like rape and murder. Using Iran as a good example of how capital punishment works is a poor choice. Capital punishment can and should be used but only under a limited set of conditions where there is no doubt of a persons guilt.

fedor.2.

Discodog wrote: »

So when we get it wrong & execute an innocent man, do we hang the judge for murder ?

nah, the hangman of course

southsiderosie

Mrmoe wrote: »

In countries like this execution is often more humane than imprisonment especially for atrocious crimes like rape and murder. Using Iran as a good example of how capital punishment works is a poor choice. Capital punishment can and should be used but only under a limited set of conditions where there is no doubt of a persons guilt.

Where exactly is this magical country? Because it certainly isn't any of the authoritarian regimes that still practice capital punishment, and it DAMN SURE isn't the US.

Sticky_Fingers

Discodog wrote: »

So when we get it wrong & execute an innocent man, do we hang the judge for murder ?

No

niallsparky wrote: »

If we lived in a society based on an "eye for an eye" sense of justice we'd all be pretty blind at this stage. We're no better than murderers if we commit the exact crime that they do.

How many rapes/murders have you committed in your lifetime? Unless the answer is greater than zero I think your pretty safe from losing an eye in this regard as are most people in the world.
As for equating state sanctioned execution to murder by that logic you could say that imposing a prison sentence is the same as hostage taking.

Sticky_Fingers

Also in the news today is the story of a woman who has contracted Hepatitis C after some scumbag raped her. He got an indefinite prison sentence while she has gotten a near certain death sentence.
Personally I'd put the noose around this guys neck and pull the lever in a heartbeat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14255539

Rapist infected woman with hepatitis C

A sex attacker who infected a woman with hepatitis C when he broke into her south London home and raped her has been jailed indefinitely.
The victim, aged in her 50s, was in bed when she awoke to find Lee Brophy, armed with a knife, standing over her.
He raped her twice before making her have a bath in an attempt to get rid of DNA evidence, the Old Bailey heard.
Brophy, 44, of Catford, south-east London, admitted rape and was given a minimum term of six years and 207 days.
The drug addict also pleaded guilty to aggravated burglary after he stole her credit cards, during the raid in March, and used them to obtain £500.
'Helpless and empty' Judge Peter Rook said the "horrific" nature of the attack meant Brophy would receive an indeterminate sentence for public protection.
He said: "You subjected her to the most horrific of ordeals whilst holding her a prisoner in her own home.
"She thought that you were going to kill her.
"She feels helpless and empty. You have blighted the rest of her life."
The court heard Brophy broke into the property by removing a panel from the backdoor and cut the telephone line before the attack.
Brophy, who had recently been diagnosed with hepatitis C, raped his victim without using protection. She was later told she had contracted the disease.
The court heard 80% of people with the illness - for which there is no cure - will have it for the rest of their lives, leading to liver damage.

The_Thing

niallsparky wrote: »

What gives you the right to decide whether someone deserves to live or die? The Irish people as a whole believe that the death penalty is not a suitable punishment for any offence.

What gives the good-for-nothing scum locked up in Irish prisons the right to decide who lives or dies?

Dangerous Man

Amnesty International are a bunch of rats.

Stercus Accidit

I'm not particularly upset that some rapists were hung TBH.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Uk law has "jailed public protection" which is indertimeted sentence used to jail any those who pose a sincere threat to the public,and only released if can proved they have reformed,something that ireland should be introduced.

Read here- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4536358.stm

MungBean

niallsparky wrote: »

What gives you the right to decide whether someone deserves to live or die? The Irish people as a whole believe that the death penalty is not a suitable punishment for any offence.

Society gives people rights. If society as a whole decided that it was a suitable punishment to end the life of a human being because of the crimes he commits what would be wrong with it?

If you cant exist in society without committing horrible crimes then you have no place in society. If you have no place in society then why is society responsible for you ?

Amirani

The_Thing wrote: »

What gives the good-for-nothing scum locked up in Irish prisons the right to decide who lives or dies?

Nothing gives them that right. Doesn't mean you should have it either.

I'd be much more supportive of the idea of a prison sentence that will cover the remainder of their life rather than murdering them. The main opposition to the death penalty being the potential for abuse, the chance of new evidence arising to acquit the prisoner and the fact that it's morally wrong.

Dudess

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

I'm not particularly upset that some rapists were hung TBH.

Disagreeing with state execution, especially as barbaric as this, isn't the same as being upset that rapists (if they were indeed guilty - you wouldn't know with a theocracy like Iran) were hanged though.

mackg wrote: »

Reading 1984 at the moment, the resemblance is uncanny.

Oh yeah, there's the bit with the prisoners on a truck heading to their execution being jeered at by crowds - it's an actual public event. Always found that really chilling.

Amirani

Skunkle wrote: »

Society gives people rights. If society as a whole decided that it was a suitable punishment to end the life of a human being because of the crimes he commits what would be wrong with it?

If you cant exist in society without committing horrible crimes then you have no place in society. If you have no place in society then why is society responsible for you ?

But society as a whole hasn't decided that? Ireland has by referendum chosen that capital punishment is not suitable in any cases.

Executions aren't cheap affairs either.

Tigger

If I ever got my hands on someone that had hurt a friend or family of mine like that they'd pray for a public hanging. Not bluster not bravado just a fact.