How long is Fine Gael allowed to blame FF for all the countries problems?

sollar · 20-07-2011 02:38PM

Sergeant wrote: »

So what is the alternative? What is the alternative to the blueprint left by the last shower?

How do you suggest we return to having a fully functioning banking system, pay off the national debt, and have the luxury of having an accident and emergency ward in every two-bit hospital in this country of less than 5 million people? Back of a fag packet summary will do.

It's very easy to spout out populist nonsence, the type of thing you accuse the government of doing. The people voted for austerity. If they wanted to vote for a default, then we would have the ULA in power. If you don't have the money, then you don't get to have nice things.

More harsh times, savage cuts, and unpopular decisions instead. Unless Kenny manages to get that money tree in his back garden to start shedding.

Take some money of the well off..... anything at least it would ease the burden on the rest of us a little. Most people who recommend that are ridiculed though.... we'll hear that taxing the rich won't plug the hole. So what... at least it would make the pain the rest of us have to take a little more palatable and fill some of the gap.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 20-07-2011 02:43PM

sollar wrote: »

Take some money of the well off..... anything at least it would ease the burden on the rest of us a little. Most people who recommend that are ridiculed though.... we'll hear that taxing the rich won't plug the hole. So what... at least it would make the pain the rest of us have to take a little more palatable and fill some of the gap.

*cue the-for legal and contractual reasons,we decided that the senior state body executive and retired politician wont be able to have their massive pension cut.

iDigian · 20-07-2011 02:46PM

Christian Poor Bingo wrote: »

FF might get office in the next election,how they even got seats in the recent election baffles me.

The reason they got seats is the same reason they got the opportunity to bring the country to it's knees in the first place. The same old idiots voting and believing the hype. Unfortunately, and I'll most likely be whipped for saying this, but up to this election (where people voted out of anger more than anything else) the voting public were quite stupid. Even during the boom FF were publicly making a b*ll*x of things and yet they were voted in 3 more times on the back of an election campaign that pomised tax cuts in the week running up to said elections. That's all it took to change peoples minds and blank what was being reported in the news at the time.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 20-07-2011 02:49PM

iDigian wrote: »

The reason they got seats is the same reason they got the opportunity to bring the country to its knees in the first place. The same old idiots voting and believing the hype. Unfortunately, and I'll most likely be whipped for saying this, but up to this election (where people voted out of anger more than anything else) the voting public were quite stupid. Even during the boom FF were making a b*ll*x of things and yet they were voted in 3 more times on the back of an election campaign that promised tax cuts in the week running up to said elections. That's all it took to change people's minds and blank what was being reported in the news at the time.

Well,you can't blame people in some parts,rarely on occasion has an independent td had political clout,but healy rae and lowry did get alot of roads and other businesses for their counties.

iDigian · 20-07-2011 02:58PM

Christian Poor Bingo wrote: »

Well,you can't blame people in some parts,rarely on occasion has an independent td had political clout,but healy rae and lowry did get alot of roads and other businesses for their counties.

So they did their jobs then? Commendable.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 20-07-2011 03:01PM

iDigian wrote: »

So they did their jobs then? Commendable.

My point is,anyone running as independent usually gets ignored in the house ,they had the last gov by its nuts,the last budget barely passed thanks to the support of some independents,as long as you did some good for your own county,the locals wont care about your past.

squod · 20-07-2011 03:06PM

FG are every bit as bad. Them and Labour and ''bailing-out'' IL&P as we speak. Trying to put €2bn of other peoples money into a poxy little bank worth €16m.

Shame on everyone who voted FF/FG in the previous election.

c_man · 20-07-2011 03:07PM

How long is Fine Gael allowed to blame FF for all the countries problems?

For the same amount of time as Labour do?

Oh I forgot, we're not to mention them and supposed to pretend they're not in power so next time around they can get another turn with 'Gilmore for Taoiseach' posters.

Yeah, FG are the same as FF.... vote Labour

When will this country move past civil war politics.... vote Labour

:rolleyes:

iDigian · 20-07-2011 03:11PM

Christian Poor Bingo wrote: »

My point is,anyone running as independent usually gets ignored in the house ,they had the last gov by its nuts,the last budget barely passed thanks to the support of some independents,as long as you did some good for your own county,the locals wont care about your past.

I beg your pardon, I didn't mean/expect to sound so bitter in my last comment. But in my honest opinion the 'do some good for your own' is the same mentality that people then turn and give out about and state as the reason the country is in the mess it's in.

Paparazzo · 20-07-2011 03:15PM

jonnny68 wrote: »

I'm looking at Enda Kenny on RTE news now talking back to Michael Martin coming out with the same old tired mantra "your the ones who got us into this mess" :rolleyes: everyone knows that you idiot Kenny your just making a twat of yourself coming out with the same crap all the time,real action is needed,how many jobs have been lost since this FG/Labour coalition have been at the helm,a lot more than have been created that's for sure, this Inernships nonsense will only serve to benefit greedy employers who will get a full time emloyee for €50 a week and the Government as they try to desperately to paper over the cracks.

I don't blame Enda. It's the equivalent of your mate crashing your car, not giving a bollocks and sitting back and laughing at your attempt to fix it.

Though it was some cheek if Michael Martin to try and take credit when we were told were doing a good job and our payments are on time by the EU

iDigian · 20-07-2011 03:19PM

squod wrote: »

FG are every bit as bad. Them and Labour and ''bailing-out'' IL&P as we speak. Trying to put €2bn of other peoples money into a poxy little bank worth €16m.

Shame on everyone who voted FF/FG in the previous election.

IL&P is a totally different kettle of fish and they're not being bailed out by the government. The terms of their potential bailout was the original stress test that was done based on extreme ad said in extreme cricumstances that they would need 2.4bn or some such figure but they don't actually need a bailout as of yet and as far as I can gather it's utter rubbish being pedalled by government media. Have a look at this site
http://www.ilpshareholders.com/

Mark200 · 20-07-2011 03:22PM

Needler wrote: »

FF might as well be in power now. FG are just implementing FF's election manifesto.

I clearly remember FG being against property tax, now they want to bring it in exactly the way FF intended to

I clearly remember them saying that they had no choice but to stick to the agreed EU/IMF terms, so why are you surprised that they are sticking to it? It is a requirement of the terms that a property tax is introduced. If FG/LAB want to change that then they'll have to find similar revenues from elsewhere.

wolfpawnat wrote: »

The best quote for this I will ever make "FG are continuity FF". I read it 2 weeks ago in the Clare Champion Newspaper. And it is 100% right!!!

"Continuity FF" has been casually used since before the election. Surprised 2 weeks ago was the first time you heard it.

RichieC · 20-07-2011 03:23PM

The sooner people see through the political party facade the better... they are all the same. the few that manage to squeeze in that aren't will quickly change once they see the envelopes.

mikemac · 20-07-2011 03:33PM

People never forget

In the 1920's Finance Minister Ernst Blythe cut the pension and his name is dirt nearly a century later.
When the elderly protested last year they dragged his name and were we going back to the 20's.

In decades, the parties will still be blaming each other over the banks and IMF.

squod · 20-07-2011 04:54PM

iDigian wrote: »

IL&P is a totally different kettle of fish and they're not being bailed out by the government. The terms of their potential bailout was the original stress test that was done based on extreme ad said in extreme cricumstances that they would need 2.4bn or some such figure but they don't actually need a bailout as of yet and as far as I can gather it's utter rubbish being pedalled by government media. Have a look at this site
http://www.ilpshareholders.com/

€4bn?? WTF. (:eek:)

Hope they get what they want TBH. No way should we the Germans be asked to bail this shower out. Disgraceful behaviour by FG.

Oasis_Dublin · 23-07-2011 02:38PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

FG only got in because there was no other party with enough candidates to form a government. They seem to think that they got in because everybody loved them, but they only got in because there was no choice.

The only difference between FF and FG is the "G".

Do you know when the last time a party actually won an election, according to your logic?

Oasis_Dublin · 23-07-2011 02:49PM

Sergeant wrote: »

So what is the alternative? What is the alternative to the blueprint left by the last shower?

How do you suggest we return to having a fully functioning banking system, pay off the national debt, and have the luxury of having an accident and emergency ward in every two-bit hospital in this country of less than 5 million people? Back of a fag packet summary will do.

It's very easy to spout out populist nonsence, the type of thing you accuse the government of doing. The people voted for austerity. If they wanted to vote for a default, then we would have the ULA in power. If you don't have the money, then you don't get to have nice things.

More harsh times, savage cuts, and unpopular decisions instead. Unless Kenny manages to get that money tree in his back garden to start shedding.

This is precisely it. People need to stop expecting undoable things from Fine Gael. Be realistic about it; good progress was made this week. It's a typical Irish thing to dismiss them, after an extremely short period, without giving them a chance. Fianna Fáil apologists are the worst kind of people.

Eoin_Sheehy · 23-07-2011 02:54PM

The second they continued on with FF policies is when I decided they were to start taking the blame.

Oasis_Dublin · 23-07-2011 02:55PM

Needler wrote: »

FF might as well be in power now. FG are just implementing FF's election manifesto.

I clearly remember FG being against property tax, now they want to bring it in exactly the way FF intended to

As did Labour. I'd far rather FG (reasonably honest) than FF without a history of corruption. Let us not forget the controversy over Martin and his wife either.

whydoibother? · 23-07-2011 03:00PM

FF caused the problems, so FG/Labour or anyone else can legitimately blame them for them forever. There seems to be this attitude that once a person has taken a certain amount of blame, they deserve a rewriting of history or a silencing of their detractors. Why?

They can't be blamed for new problems however, so it's important to distinguish carefully.

Mike 1972 · 23-07-2011 04:27PM

Downlinz wrote: »

Whats the time frame before this excuse becomes unacceptable to the masses?

about 800 years give or take ?

MonaghanPenguin · 23-07-2011 04:36PM

Heard a great line the other day:
"Some Labour TDs have made sitting on their arse and claiming it's all Fianna Fail's fault into a lifestyle choice."

Downlinz · 23-07-2011 04:43PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

about 800 years give or take ?

It wasn't in Fine Gaels manifesto that the problems were unfixable, they promised fixes which ultimately have been replaced with excuses along the lines of "its worse than we though because of that shower".

The question here isn't FF vs FG, its about FG being unable to meet promised targets, the merit of which they were elected on. It must be a very easy job to waver any responsibility for your leadership actions instead blaming the party previous.

Oasis_Dublin · 23-07-2011 04:58PM

I elected Fine Gael on the hope that they would challenge the EU/IMF over the interest rates on the loans (done), prevent our Corporation Tax rate from being touched (done), build one or all of the major rail infrastructure projects in Dublin (decision due in September, I believe) and to reduce numbers in the civil service (in the process of being done). Other than that, people seem to be confused between what the new government actually promised and what people want to hear from their new government.

BOHtox · 23-07-2011 05:14PM

as long as the country's problems were made by Fianna Fail, FG and Labour have every right to blame FF for the problems!

Biggins · 23-07-2011 05:17PM

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

...people seem to be confused between what the new government actually promised and what people want to hear from their new government.

I wanted more Jelly Babies myself.
Darn, will just have to go out and get them. They should be free on prescription gawd darn it!

How long is Fine Gael allowed to blame FF for all the countries problems?

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