Oslo bombed

WesternNight · 22-07-2011 08:10PM

Malty_T wrote: »

Hard to tell, we generally suck at discerning where sounds are actually coming from. Just have to wait and see.

Especially with fear, and there'd probably have been echoes etc as well. Time will tell.

raveni · 22-07-2011 08:12PM

Malty_T wrote: »

What reason would there have been to protect them? These weren't politicians they were just kids and young adults.

The former prime minister had been there and as said it seems the current pm was due to go there too.

mcmoustache · 22-07-2011 08:12PM

Jaafa wrote: »

Anyone that can do this surely has severe mental deficiency's.

It's called Islamic Fundamentalism.

Absurdum · 22-07-2011 08:15PM

reporter tweeting from scene in English:

http://twitter.com/#!/rtege

rtege Rune Thomas Ege
Ambulances on docks close to lake surrounding Utøya. Paramedics still working to save lives/treat injured in front of our eyes #osloexpl
6 minutes ago

rtege Rune Thomas Ege
Being jammed down by news agencies trying to get on scene reports. Please see VG.no for all latest and breaking news on #osloexpl
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rtege Rune Thomas Ege
Making our way along the lake. AF helis over Utøya. Ambulances still making their way in. None in opposite direction #osloexpl
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Two Bell412 from Norwegian Air Force hovering over Utøya. Bomb squad, divers at the scene #osloexpl

Getoffmytrain · 22-07-2011 08:16PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's called Islamic Fundamentalism.

How do you know they are responsible?

Chuck Stone · 22-07-2011 08:17PM

sollar wrote: »

But we need to be careful not to sell our freedom down the river trying to placate other cultures.

I agree and the last thing we want to do is start passing laws which restrict our freedom because of extremists. That would be like handing them victory imo.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

Killer Pigeon · 22-07-2011 08:19PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's called Islamic Fundamentalism.

Some people are saying that it could be a Neo-Nazi group. The gunman on the island was dressed in a police uniform and had blond hair and blue eyes (apparently). It would make sense. The Norwegian Labour Party and Norwegian Labour Youth movement seem to be the target. These are center-left groups. Neo-Nazis have been known to attack left leaning groups. Although they aren't ruling out Islamic terrorist groups yet.

Absurdum · 22-07-2011 08:19PM

Getoffmytrain wrote: »

How do you know they are responsible?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?hp

A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referring to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed.

Norway is a member of the NATO alliance and has a small fighting contingent in Afghanistan. It was one of several countries named by Ayman al-Zawahri, the leader of Al Qaeda, as potential targets for attack. In 2006, Norwegian newspapers reprinted Danish cartoons that angered Muslims by lampooning Muhammad. Norway has also historically been a frequent participant in peacekeeping missions and a host for diplomatic talks, including the 1993 Oslo Accords between Israel and the Palestinians. The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by a committee of the Norwegian Parliament.

Seems premature for the NY Times to make such an early call imo

Absurdum · 22-07-2011 08:21PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Some people are saying that it could be a Neo-Nazi group. The gunman on the island was dressed in a police uniform and had blond hair and blue eyes (apparently). It would make sense. The Norwegian Labour Party and Norwegian Labour Youth movement seem to be the target. These are center-left groups. Neo-Nazis have been known to attack left leaning groups. Although they aren't ruling out Islamic terrorist groups yet.

my money's on Varg Vikernes

Getoffmytrain · 22-07-2011 08:23PM

An American newspaper would be very quick to attribute this to an Islamic group.

Stinicker · 22-07-2011 08:23PM

The Religion of Peace and Tolerance strikes again... now to hide from the leftwing liberal apologists, because its part of their culture ya'know innit like

Getoffmytrain · 22-07-2011 08:25PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The Religion of Peace and Tolerance strikes again... now to hide from the leftwing liberal apologists, because its part of their culture ya'know innit like

Once again, have you any proof of this?

PseudoFamous · 22-07-2011 08:25PM

Absurdum wrote: »

my money's on Varg Vikernes

I'm not entirely sure that all the blame should be put onto him immediately, I'm sure he's not the only Nutjob in a country of 5m people.

FouxDaFaFa · 22-07-2011 08:26PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The Religion of Peace and Tolerance strikes again... now to hide from the leftwing liberal apologists, because its part of their culture ya'know innit like

Nothing's been confirmed yet. And even if it was Islamic terrorists, the religion of Islam was not attacking Norway, just some people who are Islamic.

I'm an atheist btw, so far from valiantly defending religions.

PseudoFamous · 22-07-2011 08:27PM

Getoffmytrain wrote: »

Once again, have you any proof of this?

Yes, we have. A Jihadist group are claiming to have done it, and Al Qaeda have threatened to attack the West many times in the last year. It's pretty likely to be them, IMO. ofc, it might not be, but proof* would suggest it was.

*Should have said 'evidence'

Stinicker · 22-07-2011 08:29PM

Getoffmytrain wrote: »

Once again, have you any proof of this?

Reuters are reporting on how it is likely to be Al-Qaeda, Norwegian people are very peaceful and this is the first big news story from there since they won Eurosong in 2009, while the liberals would love blame Neo-Nazis it is obvious who done this, if a Mosque or Kebab shop was blown up yes it would look like White supremists but it has all the hallmarks of Islamic Al-Qaeda and their religious message of kill all the white people.

Absurdum · 22-07-2011 08:30PM

not trying to be crude but the bombing wasn't terribly efficient by al-Qaeda standards, and there appears to have been just one device

at this stage a single attacker seems to be likely

pablomakaveli · 22-07-2011 08:31PM

Tbh if the bombings and shootings are linked it would make the attack similiar in style to the Mumbai attacks a couple of years ago which would indicate Islamic terrorists. But it's still too early to tell for sure.

WesternNight · 22-07-2011 08:31PM

PseudoFamous wrote: »

Yes, we have. A Jihadist group are claiming to have done it, and Al Qaeda have threatened to attack the West many times in the last year. It's pretty likely to be them, IMO. ofc, it might not be, but proof would suggest it was.

Proof hasn't been provided yet. Wouldn't recommend taking terrorists' word for it, even if they are claiming responsibility.

Absurdum · 22-07-2011 08:31PM

reports that attacker's identity will be revealed shortly..............

Getoffmytrain · 22-07-2011 08:31PM

There is no evidence yet, I'll believe it when I see it

Killer Pigeon · 22-07-2011 08:32PM

Absurdum wrote: »

my money's on Varg Vikernes

It could well be. This is just another horrible reminder to Europe and the world that Islamic terrorism isn't the only major terrorist threat. Neo-Nazi groups do seem to be quite interconnected internationally, so they could be well capable of planning such an attack.

If this was a neo-Nazi attack, it would mean that the European neo-Nazis are escalating their attacks. I mean I certainly can't remember neo-Nazi groups committing such terrorism in decades; I always thought that they were pathetic hill billy thugs who liked to go around and beat people up for no reason.

patneve2 · 22-07-2011 08:33PM

Even though there is no certainty it is very likely that it was some white supremacist group. The guy who went on the rampage on the island was Norwegian looking and very tall. As for the reasons behind this atrocity no clue.

Absurdum · 22-07-2011 08:33PM

reporter on Sky News claiming that a man in police uniform was seen acting suspiciously at Oslo site 2 minutes before explosion

Absurdum · 22-07-2011 08:34PM

I doubt it was a group, or a far-right group at least. More like one individual.

Tabnabs · 22-07-2011 08:39PM

10 kids have been killed on the island according to Norwegian police

Killer Pigeon · 22-07-2011 08:41PM

Absurdum wrote: »

I doubt it was a group, or a far-right group at least. More like one individual.

That could definitely be a possibility. The person could have easily planted a car-bomb in Oslo and then gone out to Utøya Island. I looked at google maps, Utøya Island seems to be only 25-30 km from Oslo. The person arrested on Utøya Island is being described on Skynews as a white, blond, blue-eyed man who was dressed in a police uniform. It's obvious that the Norwegian Labour Party and Norwegian Labour Youth were targeted, so this attack could well have been politically motivated.

Kevin Duffy · 22-07-2011 08:41PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Reuters are reporting on how it is likely to be Al-Qaeda, Norwegian people are very peaceful and this is the first big news story from there since they won Eurosong in 2009, while the liberals would love blame Neo-Nazis it is obvious who done this, if a Mosque or Kebab shop was blown up yes it would look like White supremists but it has all the hallmarks of Islamic Al-Qaeda and their religious message of kill all the white people.

Where did this message come to you from?

mike65 · 22-07-2011 08:41PM

That a suspect has been described as "nordic" looking doesn't rule anyone in or out. It could be locally grown right wing nutter or it could be a convert to radical Islam

Tabnabs · 22-07-2011 08:42PM

Police have also confirmed that the man is not and was never a police man and they are working on the theory that he was seen near the bomb site in Oslo prior to the explosion.

They won't reveal any details about him at this time.

Oslo bombed

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