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Dealing with rape and serious crime......The Iranian way.

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  • #32
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Magic Beans wrote: »
    Very much like Ireland... a suspended sentence... ;)


    Good work:D


  • #33
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    This couldn't possibly happen in Ireland because bus unions wouldn't allow it.
    :pac:


  • #34
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    The_Thing wrote: »
    There's plenty of good-for-nothing scum locked up in Irish prisons - costing all of us money, too - who deserve nothing more than to be put to death.

    What gives you the right to decide whether someone deserves to live or die? The Irish people as a whole believe that the death penalty is not a suitable punishment for any offence.


  • #35
    Sticky_Fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    Dudess wrote: »
    It's not so much that - rapists should go to prison for a long, long time - it's the fact a state practises something so primitively barbaric, no matter what the crime. A government should be above that.
    Personally I have no problem with state sanctioned execution for serious premeditated offenses against another person. Rapists and murderers who have complete control over their faculties (i.e not children, mentally disabled or those who have otherwise diminished responsibility) should expect to pay the ultimate price for their crimes.

    They have shown no compunction destroying the lives of others so we, as a society should show none in taking theirs.


  • #36
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Sticky_Fingers wrote: »
    They have shown no compunction destroying the lives of others so we, as a society should show none in taking theirs.

    So when we get it wrong & execute an innocent man, do we hang the judge for murder ?


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  • #37
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Sticky_Fingers wrote: »
    They have shown no compunction destroying the lives of others so we, as a society should show none in taking theirs.

    If we lived in a society based on an "eye for an eye" sense of justice we'd all be pretty blind at this stage. We're no better than murderers if we commit the exact crime that they do.


  • #38
    Mrmoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    In countries like this execution is often more humane than imprisonment especially for atrocious crimes like rape and murder. Using Iran as a good example of how capital punishment works is a poor choice. Capital punishment can and should be used but only under a limited set of conditions where there is no doubt of a persons guilt.


  • #39
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Discodog wrote: »
    So when we get it wrong & execute an innocent man, do we hang the judge for murder ?

    nah, the hangman of course


  • #40
    southsiderosie
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    Mrmoe wrote: »
    In countries like this execution is often more humane than imprisonment especially for atrocious crimes like rape and murder. Using Iran as a good example of how capital punishment works is a poor choice. Capital punishment can and should be used but only under a limited set of conditions where there is no doubt of a persons guilt.

    Where exactly is this magical country? Because it certainly isn't any of the authoritarian regimes that still practice capital punishment, and it DAMN SURE isn't the US.


  • #41
    Sticky_Fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    Discodog wrote: »
    So when we get it wrong & execute an innocent man, do we hang the judge for murder ?
    No
    niallsparky wrote: »
    If we lived in a society based on an "eye for an eye" sense of justice we'd all be pretty blind at this stage. We're no better than murderers if we commit the exact crime that they do.
    How many rapes/murders have you committed in your lifetime? Unless the answer is greater than zero I think your pretty safe from losing an eye in this regard as are most people in the world.
    As for equating state sanctioned execution to murder by that logic you could say that imposing a prison sentence is the same as hostage taking.


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  • #42
    Sticky_Fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    Also in the news today is the story of a woman who has contracted Hepatitis C after some scumbag raped her. He got an indefinite prison sentence while she has gotten a near certain death sentence.
    Personally I'd put the noose around this guys neck and pull the lever in a heartbeat.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14255539
    Rapist infected woman with hepatitis C

    A sex attacker who infected a woman with hepatitis C when he broke into her south London home and raped her has been jailed indefinitely.
    The victim, aged in her 50s, was in bed when she awoke to find Lee Brophy, armed with a knife, standing over her.
    He raped her twice before making her have a bath in an attempt to get rid of DNA evidence, the Old Bailey heard.
    Brophy, 44, of Catford, south-east London, admitted rape and was given a minimum term of six years and 207 days.
    The drug addict also pleaded guilty to aggravated burglary after he stole her credit cards, during the raid in March, and used them to obtain £500.
    'Helpless and empty' Judge Peter Rook said the "horrific" nature of the attack meant Brophy would receive an indeterminate sentence for public protection.
    He said: "You subjected her to the most horrific of ordeals whilst holding her a prisoner in her own home.
    "She thought that you were going to kill her.
    "She feels helpless and empty. You have blighted the rest of her life."
    The court heard Brophy broke into the property by removing a panel from the backdoor and cut the telephone line before the attack.
    Brophy, who had recently been diagnosed with hepatitis C, raped his victim without using protection. She was later told she had contracted the disease.
    The court heard 80% of people with the illness - for which there is no cure - will have it for the rest of their lives, leading to liver damage.


  • #43
    The_Thing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭The_Thing


    niallsparky wrote: »
    What gives you the right to decide whether someone deserves to live or die? The Irish people as a whole believe that the death penalty is not a suitable punishment for any offence.

    What gives the good-for-nothing scum locked up in Irish prisons the right to decide who lives or dies?


  • #44
    Dangerous Man
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    Amnesty International are a bunch of rats.


  • #45
    Stercus Accidit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    I'm not particularly upset that some rapists were hung TBH.


  • #46
    7sr2z3fely84g5
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    Uk law has "jailed public protection" which is indertimeted sentence used to jail any those who pose a sincere threat to the public,and only released if can proved they have reformed,something that ireland should be introduced.

    Read here- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4536358.stm


  • #47
    MungBean
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    niallsparky wrote: »
    What gives you the right to decide whether someone deserves to live or die? The Irish people as a whole believe that the death penalty is not a suitable punishment for any offence.

    Society gives people rights. If society as a whole decided that it was a suitable punishment to end the life of a human being because of the crimes he commits what would be wrong with it?

    If you cant exist in society without committing horrible crimes then you have no place in society. If you have no place in society then why is society responsible for you ?


  • #48
    Amirani
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    The_Thing wrote: »
    What gives the good-for-nothing scum locked up in Irish prisons the right to decide who lives or dies?

    Nothing gives them that right. Doesn't mean you should have it either.

    I'd be much more supportive of the idea of a prison sentence that will cover the remainder of their life rather than murdering them. The main opposition to the death penalty being the potential for abuse, the chance of new evidence arising to acquit the prisoner and the fact that it's morally wrong.


  • #49
    Dudess
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    Stercus Accidit wrote: »
    I'm not particularly upset that some rapists were hung TBH.
    Disagreeing with state execution, especially as barbaric as this, isn't the same as being upset that rapists (if they were indeed guilty - you wouldn't know with a theocracy like Iran) were hanged though.
    mackg wrote: »
    Reading 1984 at the moment, the resemblance is uncanny.
    Oh yeah, there's the bit with the prisoners on a truck heading to their execution being jeered at by crowds - it's an actual public event. Always found that really chilling.


  • #50
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Skunkle wrote: »
    Society gives people rights. If society as a whole decided that it was a suitable punishment to end the life of a human being because of the crimes he commits what would be wrong with it?

    If you cant exist in society without committing horrible crimes then you have no place in society. If you have no place in society then why is society responsible for you ?

    But society as a whole hasn't decided that? Ireland has by referendum chosen that capital punishment is not suitable in any cases.

    Executions aren't cheap affairs either.


  • #51
    Tigger
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    If I ever got my hands on someone that had hurt a friend or family of mine like that they'd pray for a public hanging. Not bluster not bravado just a fact.


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  • #52
    7sr2z3fely84g5
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    People are forgetting the scope of the law on rape,teenage couple under 17 having sex are technically committing rape,should they be hung too?.


  • #53
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    niallsparky wrote: »
    the fact that its morally wrong.

    How is it a fact that its morally wrong?


  • #54
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Tigger wrote: »
    If I ever got my hands on someone that had hurt a friend or family of mine like that they'd pray for a public hanging.
    Well yeah, those feelings are understandable - but you're a private citizen who's emotionally involved, unlike the government.


  • #55
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Skunkle wrote: »
    How is it a fact that its morally wrong?

    Because the majority of society has decided through a democratic process that it is.


  • #56
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    For those citing costs or the burden on society of prisoners: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/


  • #57
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    niallsparky wrote: »
    But society as a whole hasn't decided that? Ireland has by referendum chosen that capital punishment is not suitable in any cases.

    Executions aren't cheap affairs either.

    You asked a poster what gave him the right to decide. I was merely saying that society has the right to decide. That referendum showed that people had a right but they chose against using it. If it went the other way people would be executed because the people gave the system the right to execute them.


  • #58
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    niallsparky wrote: »
    Because the majority of society has decided through a democratic process that it is.

    The referendum wasnt about whether or not it was morally right, it was about whether or not it should be done. Abortion was voted against too, are you saying its morally wrong here but morally right in the UK ?


  • #59
    7sr2z3fely84g5
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    Skunkle wrote: »
    Abortion was voted against too, are you saying it's morally wrong here but morally right in the UK ?

    We are backwards in that aspect,i still think the whole church running the place still exists along with the other taboo subjects of brothels,euthanasia,if abortion was approved here all sudden there would be uproar with doctors and td's living a death sentence by hardliners.


  • #60
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Skunkle wrote: »
    The referendum wasnt about whether or not it was morally right, it was about whether or not it should be done. Abortion was voted against too, are you saying its morally wrong here but morally right in the UK ?

    I'm not saying it. Obviously that's what the respective people and cultures believe.


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  • #61
    twinQuins
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    Skunkle wrote: »
    You asked a poster what gave him the right to decide. I was merely saying that society has the right to decide. That referendum showed that people had a right but they chose against using it. If it went the other way people would be executed because the people gave the system the right to execute them.

    And if society decided that all people of a certain colour should be executed (to give an oft used example)?

    Society isn't always right, which is why we don't have mob rule. Our system of governance prevents minorities from being brutalised by majorities.
    You may not like that criminals have rights but they're still human beings and have certain rights no society can collectively decide to take away.


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