Oslo bombed

melekalikimaka · 22-07-2011 05:35PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why?

if you attack someone you should expect repercussions

Jaafa · 22-07-2011 05:35PM

Morlar wrote: »

I'd be surprised. He is not doing badly in the libyan civil war, as far as the west intervention goes all he has to do is wait them out. He does something like this and it's full scale invasion time.

I wouldn't agree. The rebels are almost at the same line they were on before Gaddafi counter attacked and pushed them back to Benghazi. He's slowly losing more and more territory. Also even in light of the attack a full scale invasion is not likely with the gains made by the rebels. NATO would simply step up support for the rebels.

FouxDaFaFa · 22-07-2011 05:36PM

mike65 wrote: »

The summer camp is being used as a venue for the ruling party. So no matter how you slice it this is a political attack on the state of Norway.

Apparently it was a yearly gathering, maybe they were hoping the PM would be there? Horrific either way.

edit: PM had been scheduled to be there, did not attend.

Dr Strange · 22-07-2011 05:37PM

Norwegian hospital(s) being told to prepare for several deaths due to the shooting incident according to Sky.

LondonIrish90 · 22-07-2011 05:39PM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

if you attack someone you should expect repercussions

I take it you have no issues with deliberately targeting civilians in Afghanistan now?

Plenty of Norwegian military targets about. Strange how they were not targeted in an attempt to defend their country (I say that loosely, they wont be Afghans) isn't it?

sherdydan · 22-07-2011 05:40PM

Local newspaper reporting 4 shot and killed at youth camp.

opinion guy · 22-07-2011 05:40PM

Someone one sky reporting 4 deaths at labour youth party thingy on island and shooting ongoing

hotmail.com · 22-07-2011 05:42PM

Former Norwegian PM on the island. Did I hear that right?

FouxDaFaFa · 22-07-2011 05:43PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Someone one sky reporting 4 deaths at labour youth party thingy on island and shooting ongoing

Feck!I must admit I'm surprised at that.The news reports make it sound like it was over.

FouxDaFaFa · 22-07-2011 05:45PM

I did think it was strange that whoever it is seems so determined to kill the PM.It isn't usually the style of Islamic terrorists.It would make more sense to just bomb a densely populated area.

melekalikimaka · 22-07-2011 05:46PM

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

I take it you have no issues with deliberately targeting civilians in Afghanistan now?

Plenty of Norwegian military targets about. Strange how they were not targeted in an attempt to defend their country (I say that loosely, they wont be Afghans) isn't it?

civilians have died as a result of nato attacks... you can get semantic but i'm merely pointing out that there is 'reason' not justification' for the attacks

guitarzero · 22-07-2011 05:46PM

I know it sounds petty n' all but I'd love if the ones joking on this post were within 2 feet of the bomb as it went off. Of course, I wouldnt want them dead, just wrapped in casts from head to toe for months on end.

mike65 · 22-07-2011 05:47PM

island on google maps

You'd imagine special forces would be in pretty damned quickly.

biko · 22-07-2011 05:48PM

Someone posing as a police officer has shot at people at a youth camp in Buskerud outside Oslo. News not in English yet afaik.

Edit: Sky news is reporting it

fulhamfanincork · 22-07-2011 05:50PM

I hope whoever claims responsibility for this attack, is killed quickly thereafter. And his cronies. Disgusting.

Rip and good luck to the survivors

opinion guy · 22-07-2011 05:52PM

Sky news are just making **** up now

sherdydan · 22-07-2011 05:54PM

5 dead, police and ambulances arrived at camp, shooting ongoing.

(sky news)

Duggy747 · 22-07-2011 05:56PM

This is fùckin' horrible.

The Volt · 22-07-2011 05:57PM

The notion that young people cannot meet to discuss their future without being put in danger is a frightening one. Solidarity with Norway.

RasTa · 22-07-2011 05:57PM

Why do people still watch Sky News...

Superbus · 22-07-2011 05:57PM

When stuff like this happens, I always wonder - what do the attackers think this is going to achieve? I'm pretty sure murdering innocent people and wrecking havoc in a capital city isn't going to get people on their side.

I can't see the logic in it. Then again, there may not be any.

Morlar · 22-07-2011 06:01PM

Superbus wrote: »

When stuff like this happens, I always wonder - what do the attackers think this is going to achieve? I'm pretty sure murdering innocent people and wrecking havoc in a capital city isn't going to get people on their side.

I can't see the logic in it. Then again, there may not be any.

It worked in Spain didn't it ? Norway is a tolerant, liberal country, which makes it an easy target. Not entirely unlike Ireland. I think in one way it does work by creating a climate of fear. In this case it will depend on the Norwegian medium term reaction to be honest. I really hope it works totally against those responsible and their supporters and all of their apologists.

Jaafa · 22-07-2011 06:01PM

Superbus wrote: »

When stuff like this happens, I always wonder - what do the attackers think this is going to achieve? I'm pretty sure murdering innocent people and wrecking havoc in a capital city isn't going to get people on their side.

I can't see the logic in it. Then again, there may not be any.

Anyone that can do this surely has severe mental deficiency's.

joshrogan · 22-07-2011 06:03PM

Superbus wrote: »

When stuff like this happens, I always wonder - what do the attackers think this is going to achieve? I'm pretty sure murdering innocent people and wrecking havoc in a capital city isn't going to get people on their side.

I can't see the logic in it. Then again, there may not be any.

If it is Islamic extremists then it would rally people against muslims and by doing so it would annoy/segregate non-radical muslims who might then support the radicals because they see them as the only people who stick up for them.

Well that is how I see it anyway. Pretty scary stuff on the holiday camp island aswell, it is tiny and there are around 600 people on it? There will be a high number of casualties IMO.

SamHarris · 22-07-2011 06:03PM

Superbus wrote: »

When stuff like this happens, I always wonder - what do the attackers think this is going to achieve? I'm pretty sure murdering innocent people and wrecking havoc in a capital city isn't going to get people on their side.

I can't see the logic in it. Then again, there may not be any.

Its not motivated by logic, but by religion (or so it seems at this point). When you believe it is the creator of the univereses will that a certain act be carried out I'm sure it seems "insane" to try and justify it with mere logic.

Morlar · 22-07-2011 06:04PM

Jaafa wrote: »

Anyone that can do this surely has severe mental deficiency's.

I think they have no affinity with modern, democratic liberal society. That doesn't make them less intelligent or intellectually defective.

Jaafa · 22-07-2011 06:08PM

Morlar wrote: »

I think they have no affinity with modern, democratic liberal society. That doesn't make them less intelligent or intellectually defective.

Anyone who can knowingly kill innocent civilians does a have a deficiency IMO. As with any murderer,rapist etc. They can be very intelligent,capable etc but to kill another human being little to no reason goes against our species basic natural law.

WesternNight · 22-07-2011 06:10PM

Jaafa wrote: »

Anyone who can knowingly kill innocent civilians does a have a deficiency IMO. As with any murderer,rapist etc.

A deficiency in decency etc. Not necessarily in intellect.

Manic Moran · 22-07-2011 06:10PM

It worked in Spain didn't it ? Norway is a tolerant, liberal country, which makes it an easy target. Not entirely unlike Ireland. I think in one way it does work by creating a climate of fear.

Don't know if it as much as got the Spanish on their side, as much as it catalysed a decision by the Spanish that they should try sticking their heads in the sand in the hope that the world wouldn't come to them.

NTM

Turtwig · 22-07-2011 06:11PM

Superbus wrote: »

When stuff like this happens, I always wonder - what do the attackers think this is going to achieve? I'm pretty sure murdering innocent people and wrecking havoc in a capital city isn't going to get people on their side.

I can't see the logic in it. Then again, there may not be any.

It serves two main purposes.

First it divides the country from within. It causes people to question 'why' they were attacked. There might not even have been a reason for the attack, but people will find some. Essentially people will not be able to understand why the atrocity was committed but will assume they deserved it for some reason anyway. Especially if they are prone to the just world fallacy.

Second. It's provides a vicious feedback loop for radicals. Conservative funadmentalists will undoubtedly use this attack as a means to make legitimate discrimination against various ethnics groups. There might even be a push for violent retaliation This in turn will add fuel to the fire of radical groups and make it easier for them to recruit disgruntled youths. It's a win win situation.

Oslo bombed

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