Can we start to feel optimistic again?

Dangerous Man · 21-07-2011 10:13PM #1

Note to mods: I know there's a billion threads on religion and politics but I'd prefer if this wasn't moved / deleted as it's coming from a different angle than most.

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Anyway - can we feel optimistic? I made the note in another post that the past couple of days have been good for the country. The Vatican were put in their place by Enda Kenny and it appears as though we have a leader, however initially unlikely, that has guts. Today, Ireland received a massive reduction in their interest rate and didn't cave in to French demands for a reduction in our corporation tax rate - another point for Kenny who stubbornly refused French pressure.

Are we finally headed in the right direction? I personally think these may represent green shoots. Thoughts?

JimiWonderDoor 92 · 21-07-2011 10:17PM

Hopefully things are looking up.

Things will get better as long as we dont get into bad practices again.

That means not getting complacent, not letting such financial anarchy re-emerge or let another state (Holy See) interfere with our democracy

I still believe in Ireland

Taco Corp · 21-07-2011 10:18PM

Ah sure, it'll be grand.

Rubik. · 21-07-2011 10:20PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RIgs3eygo

Gumbi · 21-07-2011 10:21PM

Lots of obese people still walking around, I don't think we're in real trouble.

joshrogan · 21-07-2011 10:22PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHHQRodF88

bizmark · 21-07-2011 10:22PM

Looking for optimism from after hours is like looking for a child minder in the catholic church

a wee bit foolish

Jess16 · 21-07-2011 10:28PM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

can we feel optimistic?

Yes we can :cool:

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 21-07-2011 10:28PM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

Are we finally headed in the right direction? I personally think these may represent green shoots. Thoughts?

Maybe have the boom again,people leaving in their droves,then came back during the good times to build houses,then fcked off again!.

cosmicfart · 21-07-2011 10:31PM

Jess16 wrote: »

Yes we can :cool:

Down with dat sort of Gib

wild_cat · 21-07-2011 10:33PM

Greece are getting a "selective default" and a lower rate.

We're still getting the full whack......

Also are you a member of Fine Geal?

My name is URL · 21-07-2011 10:33PM

Yes, but it probably won't end well.

P_1 · 21-07-2011 10:35PM

Jess16 wrote: »

Yes we can :cool:

Is fhéidir linn?

veryangryman · 21-07-2011 10:36PM

Recession has forever made a sceptic out of me. To assume things are on the way up is difficult. This while a good step doesnt help the fact that

1) Interest rates are on the way up
2) Wages are down (and not showing signs of going up)
3) Supermarket prices are rising
4) Energy bills continue to rise - petrol currently more expensive than ever
5) The personal cost - relationship breakdowns, stress increases etc are still there

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Next time I get change from a fifty when i fill my car up, or a salary increase, ill use the "green shoots" phrase. Till then amigo...

Agricola · 21-07-2011 10:38PM

As long as we're nearly 200 billion quid in the red, Ill remain sceptical.

JimiWonderDoor 92 · 21-07-2011 10:40PM

Jess16 wrote: »

Yes we can :cool:

Can I kick it? :cool:

ilovesleep · 21-07-2011 10:57PM

Not really. The titantic and the ship of fools is still sailing down sh1ts creek.

There is a need for a lot of change and reform in this country and it seems as if nothing is being done. Well the only thing that has been done is a slave scheme which is open to exploitation and will lead to more unemployment.

This country has been abused by the church and FF. There is no closure for people who has suffered in the hands of the church. Endas speech yesterday was just that - words. We have a fantastic opportunity in our hands this week for a revolution of separating the state and the church, and bring such monsters who caused the abuse to justice and we as a nation are too lazy to do anything about it and let this golden opporrunity slip.

FF, bankers and developers are still walking around free to live happily ever after after committing fraud and selling us down sh1ts creek.

Reform is needed in so many areas. An example is the justice system. Few threads going on about it here in after hours tonight.

This country will be exploited and abused forever more because society allows it. Others countries would be out on their streets protesting for change and actually making it happen.

starbelgrade · 21-07-2011 10:58PM

I never really bought into the whole recession "doom & gloom", pessimism buzz. For a while, I did, but then I stopped listening to talk radio & watching any TV programmes about the economy or current affairs.

I used to think that keeping up to date on all those things was important, but I soon found out that by ignoring them, my life wasn't suddenly missing anything, the world hadn't stopped & in all honesty, it was a lot less stressful.

I don't earn as much as I did 5 years ago, I work longer hours for the money, but I don't give a fuck about that .. I like what I do, I have food in the fridge, a few quid in my pocket and a loving woman in my bed.

Plus I have the internet, so it can't be all that bad.

So, OP, the answer to the question of when can we start to feel optimistic again is really quite simple... as soon as we stop feeling pessimistic about things. It's all just a state of mind really... the rest is just "stuff".

veryangryman · 21-07-2011 11:05PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I never really bought into the whole recession "doom & gloom", pessimism buzz. For a while, I did, but then I stopped listening to talk radio & watching any TV programmes about the economy or current affairs.

I used to think that keeping up to date on all those things was important, but I soon found out that by ignoring them, my life wasn't suddenly missing anything, the world hadn't stopped & in all honesty, it was a lot less stressful.

I don't earn as much as I did 5 years ago, I work longer hours for the money, but I don't give a fuck about that .. I like what I do, I have food in the fridge, a few quid in my pocket and a loving woman in my bed.

Plus I have the internet, so it can't be all that bad.

So, OP, the answer to the question of when can we start to feel optimistic again is really quite simple... as soon as we stop feeling pessimistic about things. It's all just a state of mind really... the rest is just "stuff".

Do you smoke by any chance?

Im just...picturing you saying all that to me over a fag some place?

I mean you have a point, but it seems like your holding a cig while making it

Phill Ewinn · 21-07-2011 11:07PM

Optimistic that the same fvckers who voted FF/FG in the previous election might change their minds and cop on before the next election.

No-one here can afford €200bn.

Now we have a number of years of debts ahead of us. There'll be more chance of more people being effected by their poor choice during the previous election.

Cill Dara Abu · 21-07-2011 11:10PM

JimiWonderDoor 92 wrote: »

Can I kick it? :cool:

Yes you can!:cool:

Angron · 21-07-2011 11:13PM

No. Bah humbug and all that.

Jess16 · 21-07-2011 11:17PM

pithater1 wrote: »

Is fhéidir linn?

JimiWonderDoor 92 wrote: »

Can I kick it? :cool:

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Yes you can!:cool:

Em, can people quit muscling in on my joke please?

laughter189 · 21-07-2011 11:22PM

I felt relief this evening when I heard that Ireland now has 15 years to re-pay its debts - Not 7 yrs .

I need 15 years to repay mine too .

starbelgrade · 21-07-2011 11:22PM

Jess16 wrote: »

Em, can people quit muscling in on my joke please?

Yes, we can.

Cill Dara Abu · 21-07-2011 11:24PM

Jess16 wrote: »

Em, can people quit muscling in on my joke please?

What joke?

Phill Ewinn · 21-07-2011 11:26PM

laughter189 wrote: »

Ireland now has 15 years to re-pay its debts -

Who's debts????

StupidLikeAFox · 21-07-2011 11:30PM

The thing is OP, you shouldnt feel like you are under pressure to feel optimistic or pessimistic. The whole thing about this recession is that, as starbelgrade pointed out, you probably arent that bad off. If all the bankers and developers were thrown in jail in the morning you would be in exactly the same position as you are now. You will hear statistics from all sorts of sources telling you good things and bad, but in the end it is gonna be your own outlook in life that will determine if the glass is half full or half empty

In short, yes you can

Jess16 · 21-07-2011 11:30PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Yes, we can.

Yeaahhhhh I pretty much walked into that one.... All this optimism is clearly getting to me

starbelgrade · 21-07-2011 11:33PM

Jess16 wrote: »

Yeaahhhhh I pretty much walked into that one.... All this optimism is clearly getting to me

Yes, it is.

punchdrunk · 21-07-2011 11:35PM

**checks wallet**

**checks online banking**

"it's not so good Al!"

Can we start to feel optimistic again?

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