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Petition to ban all church related threads from AH

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  • #62
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    I love all the Church threads. It really brings out the nut bars on both sides of the line.

    Good entertainment.
    We have big tub of popcorn!

    ...We really do! :D


  • #63
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Biggins wrote: »
    You have a pint too, to be fair.
    Its AH - I'm here a little while and I'm still confused part of the time! :pac:
    It's a bit early for a pint, don't you think? :pac:


    Edit: Nice Ninja edit...


  • #64
    AnnyHallsal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    That Jane seems a bit preoccupied with bottom movements. Cyril's bottom movements, more precisely.


    EDIT: AGHHHH Wrong thread!


  • #65
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    In response to this thread, I have only one thing to say:
    sdeire wrote: »
    TLDR = GTFO, OP. Unoriginal.


  • #66
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    It's a bit early for a pint, don't you think? :pac:

    Edit: Nice Ninja edit...
    It was - wasn't it! :D

    Aaassoooo...


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  • #67
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    AnnyHallsal wrote: »
    That Jane seems a bit preoccupied with bottom movements. Cyril's bottom movements, more precisely.


    EDIT: AGHHHH Wrong thread!
    Hey ..Help ..:eek:

    were being held against our will in here .


  • #68
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Sweep it under the carpet, its the catholic way.


  • #69
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Sweep it under the carpet, its the catholic way.
    The Atheism & Agnosticism forum is hardly "under the carpet". Ironically, it has the highest share of posts in the "Religion and Spirituality" category.


  • #70
    Hank_Jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    Bloody hell, the banning of topics?

    Feels very communist.


  • #71
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    The Atheism & Agnosticism forum is hardly "under the carpet". Ironically, it has the highest share of posts in the "Religion and Spirituality" category.

    A+ A and Christianity have a very different debating and moderation style to AH. Thats the very reason why some threads are better suited to Ah and vice versa.


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  • #72
    the groutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    love the idea of an Atari Pope, who presides over all matters relating to retro gaming


  • #73
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    Would prefer no repetitive political/immigration threads myself


  • #74
    Dangerous Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    Atari Rape? It's, like a really shitty game.


  • #75
    Damari Brave Shortchange
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Damari Brave Shortchange


    I'd vote for the moratorium, but I cannot possibly make myself click on the "yay".


  • #76
    Aishae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Aishae


    AH answer:
    ah no - let us kick bishop brennan up the ar$e repeatedly

    ________________________________________________________
    real answer:
    im used to the mixed (nut) bag that is AH. you get threads about banana watching and wackiest places for a bit of solo hows your father so what the hell - long let it continue. there are lots of topics that get covered repeatedly and many thread topics come about once a fortnight if not even more often.


  • #77
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wish this thread happened a month ago.

    As it stands, the day of the Taoiseach rightfully letting rip on some of the most depraved standards of care meted out on this isle is not the best time to ask people to shut up about it cos people keep going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on........

    Do I think it's repetitive? Yes

    Do I think it's better off kicked into a religious forum? Yes

    Do I think After Hours isn't the place for whinging/complaining without being humorous about it? Yes

    Do I think that, at this point in time, there needs to be a moratorium on "Kill off the Church" threads?

    With Cloynes in the news, no.


  • #78
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,125 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Yeah and if in six months time there's another horrible revelation about the RCC we won't be allowed to speak about it?

    Of course there shouldn't be a ban.

    I know that nobody has a right to free speech on boards.ie (as it is privately owned) but they would start to loose a lot of traffic on AH if we were to ban these sort of threads.


  • #79
    Randomer.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Randomer.


    I think its important to have that constant reminder of how so many people hate the church/are sick of religion.

    The church supporters just don't wanna accept that its every day people that are sick of it, and wanna stay in their dream world that only a small minority of people they deem 'fundamentalist atheists' are the only ones with a problem with the church, not everyday folk.


  • #80
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Randomer. wrote: »
    I think its important to have that constant reminder of how so many people hate the church/are sick of religion.

    Well does that mean that After Hours is an atheist only site? Is it a case of "Atheism is Right, so everyone must be reminded of that"? Should the supposedly "small-minded religious" leave After Hours?


  • #81
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    There are seven forums for religion

    I think some posters never stray outside After Hours


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  • #82
    joshrogan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭joshrogan


    Atari pope all the way, sounds exciting.


  • #83
    Randomer.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Randomer.


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well does that mean that After Hours is an atheist only site? Is it a case of "Atheism is Right, so everyone must be reminded of that"? Should the supposedly "small-minded religious" leave After Hours?

    Eh? 1st you don't have to be atheist to find religion as ridiculous as still believing in Santa. 2nd, you can still be religious and dislike the catholic church.
    & 3rd, its 2011 now ffs, you people had your thousands of years , now those who wish to stay religious will just have to put up with the fact that as the years go on and we progress further as a people, more and more people will be turning away from religion. Its not a matter of is 'life an atheist only situation', its about excepting that not everyone worships this organisation any more and those that don't demand it be treated like any other organisation aka if it does wrong, people get angry and **** goes down.
    The fact that some people think an all powerful , all knowing supernatural being is behind the organisation should have no bearing on it.

    At the end of the day, not being happy with certain religions is no longer something only 'atheists' do. Its the every day joe soaps.

    mikemac wrote: »
    There are seven forums for religion

    I think some posters never stray outside After Hours

    Theres probably a relevant forum for almost any thread started in afterhours tbh


  • #84
    Redlion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Redlion


    Agricola wrote: »
    No way. Never miss an opportunity to bash the bishop.
    Careful how you use that expression!


  • #85
    mackg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    Why would you want to ban a subject which is generating 1000+ posts in some topics? I mean the threads kind of go around in circles but heated debate is no bad thing.


  • #86
    seeyounextweek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35 ✭seeyounextweek


    freedom of speech wins again :cool:


  • #87
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This issue was thrashed out in this thread I started a few months ago in Feedback. As usual, it got heated and snarky, but sense did come into it on the important points. I think the most informative post came from Dav:
    Dav wrote: »
    First of all, cards on the table, I consider myself pagan and polytheistic - I acknowledge the existence of *many* gods - but I don't believe in them, that would only encourage some of them :p Prachett said it best with "believing in gods is like believing in the postman." I also firmly believe in currently accepted scientific theory that the universe was created in a big bang and that we have evolved from Primates :)

    I know people who I would consider Fundamentalist Atheists - they simply cannot even entertain the notion that somehow, somewhere they too *might* be wrong. I consider them as pig headed as I do fundamentalist *anythings* be it Islamics or Christians or Fianna Fáil supporters. These are people who will see no wrong in their arguement/point of view. Fundamentalism is a bad thing. It gives us things like Sharia Law and Creationism being taught in schools as fact.

    I would however take a dim view of pro-atheist topics being given more "preference" over pro-religious ones on AH. That is censorship and discrimination and that is *not* what this site is about.

    Ultimately though, this once again annoys me because people are trying to use After Hours to discuss topics that we have a fairly substantial sub-section of the site for. If you want to inteligently and seriouly debate faith or religion and the rights and wrongs contained within, or indeed just shoot the breeze with like minded folk, we've already given you a place for that.


  • #88
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Randomer. wrote: »
    Eh? 1st you don't have to be atheist to find religion as ridiculous as still believing in Santa.
    Although this is technically true, I rarely if ever hear of theists giving out about religion on AH. It's almost always atheists who do so.
    2nd, you can still be religious and dislike the catholic church.
    Perfectly true. But religious people who dislike the Roman Catholic Church do not appear to be the ones who post the most in these threads.
    & 3rd, its 2011 now ffs, you people had your thousands of years
    Excuse me? I've had 17 years, not thousands. I am one person, not the billions who have lived in the past.
    now those who wish to stay religious will just have to put up with the fact that as the years go on and we progress further as a people, more and more people will be turning away from religion.
    Untrue. The number of religious people (Christianity at least) is increasing globally, not decreasing.
    Its not a matter of is 'life an atheist only situation', its about excepting that not everyone worships this organisation any more
    Worship an organisation? That would certainly explain a lot. Besides, almost all of these threads descend in to the usual "God/Religion" debate. They rarely remain focused on the faults within the institution of the RCC.


  • #89
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Untrue. The number of religious people (Christianity at least) is increasing globally, not decreasing.
    If it gives you comfort knowing Christianity is waxing in impoverished countries with poor education, so be it.

    It would be dishonest in the extreme to claim that it's not on the wane in this part of the world.
    Worship an organisation? That would certainly explain a lot. Besides, almost all of these threads descend in to the usual "God/Religion" debate. They rarely remain focused on the faults within the institution of the RCC.
    In my experience, a number of the more devout Catholics don't appear to care that much for God, but have utter reverence for the organisation and its hierarchy.


  • #90
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    Look, if we moved every topic to a relevant forum there'd be, maybe, five topics left on AH.

    For the last time: if you don't like a thread, don't click into it. Certainly, don't ****post in it. Now there's something that should be a bannable offence.

    There are plenty of topics I'm sick of seeing but I don't ****post or start threads calling for them to be banned.


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  • #91
    Tehachapi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 273 ✭✭Tehachapi


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Untrue. The number of religious people (Christianity at least) is increasing globally, not decreasing.

    Merely down to them interfering with people living in extreme poverty in underdeveloped countries. These people have nothing, no food, no homes, no education, why wouldn't they welcome christian 'help'.

    In the developed, educated world - the number of religious people is most certainly dropping. You can actually plot it on a graph showing with increased education comes decreased belief in superstitious nonsense such as religion.

    A study was done earlier this year:
    Abstract: http://papers.nber.org/papers/w16973
    Here's the paper: http://www.religionomics.com/asrec/ASREC11_Papers/Hungerman_Compulsory_Schooling.pdf

    Some key points:
    For over a century, social scientists have debated how educational attainment impacts religious belief. In this paper, I use Canadian compulsory schooling laws to identify the relationship between completed schooling and later religiosity. I find that higher levels of education lead to lower levels of religious participation later in life. An additional year of education leads to a 4-percentage-point decline in the likelihood that an individual identifies with any religious tradition; the estimates suggest that increases in schooling can explain most of the large rise in non-affiliation in Canada in recent decades.
    The estimates suggest that, all else equal, one extra year of schooling leads to a 4 percentage-point increase in the likelihood that an individual reports having no religious affiliation at all; a reasonably large effect. Results broken down by religious tradition are somewhat imprecise, but suggest that most of the rise in non-affiliation is driven by a decline in Christian-but-not-Catholic participation. The effects of the laws are not driven by any particular Canadian province. The results suggest that gains in educational attainment can explain over half of the striking rise in non-affiliation seen in Canada during the past half century. These findings provide compelling evidence that education leads to secularization, a result that stands in contrast with most prior research.


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