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Time to reverse Stupid Nanny State Laws

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    There's no bother getting drink at our local garage after 10pm as long as they know you. I often went up to the 24hr hatch at 3am & got a bottle of wine.
    The law is stupid mind you, stupid publican lobby.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    Ben D Bus wrote: »
    I think it says a lot that this entire thread revolves around drink & drugs.

    Maybe a nanny state is exactly what is needed :(

    Does nobody here have a live that isn't based on mood altering chemicals?

    And yes I like a drink too!

    Maybe if people were treated like adults they wouldn't complain so much.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    leviathon wrote: »
    You don't have to look to hard to figure out what went on with the change in that law.

    More than a few politicians at the time that law came out were publicans. Pub trade started a decline due to the number of people buying from off licenses and staying home.

    Lo and behold out comes a change in the law to close off licenses after 10.

    So was it brought in A: To help curb anti-social drinking, prevent under age drinking etc
    or B: To help the lads who own pubs to keep making money.

    I wonder

    this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭metalfest


    I didn't mean to stay in the pub, I meant just to buy the drink and then leave.

    illegal to sell unopened alcohol filled drinking vessels in pubs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC



    Despite this I think the law in this case is reasonable and may in fact curb underage drinking somewhat.

    lol... people are dumb.


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  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Brian Wailing Typographer


    I am not a drinker but I also think the law is stupid. Should be done away with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Needler


    metalfest wrote: »
    illegal to sell unopened alcohol filled drinking vessels in pubs.


    ask for the cap and put it back on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭metalfest


    Needler wrote: »
    ask for the cap and put it back on.

    so you spend twice the price in a pub for the same bottle, only to have it opened, poorly reclosed so that it can be nice and flat when you get home?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Finished work late last Friday night, went to a mates house was about 9.45pm when I arrived, we arsed around chatting for a few minutes and decided we'd go get a few beers and chill out for the evening maybe watch some highlights of the golf, nothing to heavy as we all had things to do the following morning.

    Now do you think we could get a six pack after 10pm, I have to say this is one of the most stupid laws left over from the tiger. I worked all week, drove two hours up to meet my mates and we couldn't get beer. Stupid Law, brought in by stupid politicians caving into a stupid minority.

    Sick of putting up with stupid Nanny State laws which have no respect for adult tax payers and peoples freedom of choice.

    Anymore stupid laws out there?
    Thinking of starting a velvet revolution seen as the youth/emo/students haven't done their traditional part and rioted against them all.

    "Can't someone ELSE do it??" - Homer Simpson.

    Agree with you, though. But it's more the pressure from the Vinters than any Nanny state crap.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Needler


    metalfest wrote: »
    so you spend twice the price in a pub for the same bottle, only to have it opened, poorly reclosed so that it can be nice and flat when you get home?

    If you're desperate.

    I'd make sure I was better prepared and always have some few drinks hanging around the place. but the law is fairly stupid alright


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    ...Sick of putting up with stupid Nanny State laws which have no respect for adult tax payers and peoples freedom of choice.

    ...Should always have a supply for emergencies! :pac:
    blaze1 wrote: »
    I agree, nothing worse than running out of beer/not being able to get any....
    ..Are we just talking about beer here! ;)
    is that blasphemy law still knockin about?

    Jehova Jehova :pac:
    Your doomed I tell ya - ya'll burn in the fires of hell! :p
    ilovesleep wrote: »
    Just become a politician OP. I'm sure the dail bar is open late and allows late take-aways. The law doesn't apply to politicians usually.
    Usually? ...If ever!
    spagboll wrote: »
    The Vintners Association of Ireland are probably one of the strongest lobby groups in Ireland
    Depressingly very true.
    Says a lot about Ireland when a body representing alcohol has all that power!
    Makes no sense! What was the previous close time of Off-licenses? 11 or so?
    Does pushing that closing time forward an hour benefit anyone?
    The shop owners?
    Not being able to buy drink before midday on a Sunday. Last orders at 11pm on a Sunday in bars. Not everyone works 9-5 Mon-Fri, a good chunk of the population don't work at all anymore. No drink on Good Friday. They are just the drink related laws that are Nanny'ish and or religion related.
    The latter more like. Say thank you to Rome.
    Einhard wrote: »
    Maybe they saw your username and decided you had enough already!:pac:
    Ouch! :pac:
    ilovesleep wrote: »
    Illegal weed laws. Stupid
    Must try smoking nettles. Wonder will it work?
    Can we ban them?
    The Beer Barron, a high ace filled with drink. My new business plan for a market niche.
    Bring on the chaos! :D
    leviathon wrote: »
    You don't have to look to hard to figure out what went on with the change in that law.

    More than a few politicians at the time that law came out were publicans. Pub trade started a decline due to the number of people buying from off licenses and staying home.

    Lo and behold out comes a change in the law to close off licenses after 10.

    So was it brought in A: To help curb anti-social drinking, prevent under age drinking etc
    or B: To help the lads who own pubs to keep making money.

    I wonder
    At one stage something like 40% of FF TD's had an interest in Irelands alcohol/leisure industry - of course they are going to look after themselves.
    Im sure the OP situation would annoy me but owing to my child infested life I have to plan my home alcohol stock with some consideration.
    SO THE ONE THAT GETS ME (Sorry.....I'll count to ten...) is trying to buy a bottle of wine or gallon of Buckfast in the mornings in a supermarket to be told they are not allowed to sell before a certain time.:mad:
    Probably think your buying it for the babies breakfast bottle! :pac:
    Mocha Joe wrote: »
    My local centra doesn't have a security guard. It's common practice for lads to walk in and take what beer they want then throw the money on the counter. They usually overpay as well. I think it's pretty funny.

    Try it.

    Would love to see the expression on their faces down my way if I tried it!
    orourkeda wrote: »
    Then people will tell that the irish are not a nation of dipsos
    We can't win.
    I usually go to the pub but it would have involved a taxi ride both ways and access to more drink than we needed. I usually get drunk in the pub, just wanted to chill with a 6 pack and wake up fine. As I said I didn't get to sit down after work until close to 10pm. Surley to God i'm entitled to a few beers after a weeks work.
    Emergency supply, always keep! Yoda speaks! ;)
    Ruire wrote: »
    Pfft, I've generally found it easier to buy marijuana in a pub than alcohol after a certain hour.

    Only in Ireland.
    I'll be around in 20 minutes!
    Dovies wrote: »
    We went to M&S to buy the meal deal and had to prowl the shop - along with several others - as it was only 10.15 and they couldnt sell the deal to us with the wine until 10.30am! Ridiculous. :(
    They would loved to sell it to you but had they done so before the time, the sales would have been digitally recorded and used as evidence probably against them.
    I’m driving home from the hospital after the birth of my first born. Been up all the previous night. Stop at garage and get 2 bottles of beer. The attendant says ‘sorry, it’s 10.05pm – can’t sell you them’.
    I briefly consider explaining my situation and that I just want to go home and have a couple of beers while pondering the miracle of life I’ve just witnessed.
    But I know before I start that my pleas will fall on deaf ears – so instead I drive to a nearby dodgy estate and purchase some heroin, I quickly become hooked and my marriage, my career and my life quick spiral out of control. I lose everything that was once precious to me and spend my days on the streets begging and getting high.

    Despite this I think the law in this case is reasonable and may in fact curb underage drinking somewhat.
    Sould have told him his watch/clock was fast! :pac:
    orourkeda wrote: »
    Having children will drive you to drink.
    True! :o
    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Boo hoo. So you didn't get a beer. I find your alcohol dependence pathetic. You know it is possible to go to the pub for a few beers and not get wasted.
    Aaa.. here! This is Ireland!
    Could you not just go into the pub instead and by a few can/bottles? Would they not do that after 10?
    That would be the clever thing to do.
    Proactive - not reactive.
    Ben D Bus wrote: »
    Does nobody here have a life that isn't based on mood altering chemicals?
    Just kids - but they push it to it at times! :pac:
    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    There's no bother getting drink at our local garage after 10pm as long as they know you. I often went up to the 24hr hatch at 3am & got a bottle of wine.
    The law is stupid mind you, stupid publican lobby.
    Thank your local TD - if you find them!
    Maybe if people were treated like adults they wouldn't complain so much.
    Yea... right!
    RichieC wrote: »
    lol... people are dumb.
    Yep.
    bluewolf wrote: »
    I am not a drinker but I also think the law is stupid. Should be done away with.
    ..Or at least close at the same time as pubs?
    Needler wrote: »
    ask for the cap and put it back on.
    Do what I do when I go to the O2 and they take the tops off your bottles before entering, ...bring spares!
    metalfest wrote: »
    so you spend twice the price in a pub for the same bottle, only to have it opened, poorly re-closed so that it can be nice and flat when you get home?
    Desperate situations means desperate measures! LOL

    I'm outa here.
    I need a drink after that lot! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭MitchKoobski


    Just set the times around the average time a pub would close. Even 12am would make more sense than 10pm.

    1. Extra two hours pay for someone
    2. Extra money made from late drinkers, or people coming home from work.
    3. People stop feckin whinging.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    The Beer Barron, a high ace filled with drink. My new business plan for a market niche.

    in bowling balls?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    Biggins wrote: »
    ...Should always have a supply for emergencies! :pac:


    ..Are we just talking about beer here! ;)


    Your doomed I tell ya - ya'll burn in the fires of hell! :p


    Usually? ...If ever!


    Depressingly very true.
    Says a lot about Ireland when a body representing alcohol has all that power!


    The shop owners?


    The latter more like. Say thank you to Rome.


    Ouch! :pac:


    Must try smoking nettles. Wonder will it work?
    Can we ban them?


    Bring on the chaos! :D


    At one stage something like 40% of FF TD's had an interest in Irelands alcohol/leisure industry - of course they are going to look after themselves.


    Probably think your buying it for the babies breakfast bottle! :pac:



    Would love to see the expression on their faces down my way if I tried it!


    We can't win.


    Emergency supply, always keep! Yoda speaks! ;)


    I'll be around in 20 minutes!


    They would loved to sell it to you but had they done so before the time, the sales would have been digitally recorded and used as evidence probably against them.


    Sould have told him his watch/clock was fast! :pac:

    True! :o


    Aaa.. here! This is Ireland!


    That would be the clever thing to do.
    Proactive - not reactive.


    Just kids - but they push it to it at times! :pac:


    Thank your local TD - if you find them!


    Yea... right!


    Yep.


    ..Or at least close at the same time as pubs?


    Do what I do when I go to the O2 and they take the tops off your bottles before entering, ...bring spares!


    Desperate situations means desperate measures! LOL

    I'm outa here.
    I need a drink after that lot! :D

    jesus biggins that multiquote must have set some new record :eek:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Saila wrote: »
    jesus biggins that multiquote must have set some new record :eek:
    :D

    Break out the champer's!!! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    most tills in supermarkets/offies have it built into the till software that it it can't process booze sales outside the licence hours.
    so even if a stupid sales assistant wanted to sell it to you, the till wont let them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Brought in by the publican party
    Of course there are just as many publicans in FG so no chance they'll remove it

    The Vintners also hate below cost selling in supermarkets
    Maybe one day they'll lobby to get this stopped


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Ben D Bus wrote: »
    I think it says a lot that this entire thread revolves around drink & drugs.

    Maybe a nanny state is exactly what is needed :(

    Does nobody here have a live that isn't based on mood altering chemicals?

    And yes I like a drink too!
    Well given that that's the topic of the thread, I think it's appropriate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    most tills in supermarkets/offies have it built into the till software that it it can't process booze sales outside the licence hours.
    so even if a stupid sales assistant wanted to sell it to you, the till wont let them.

    I tell you the whole world it gone to **** when a friggin computer makes the decision on if I should be allowed have a beer after a weeks work. Friggin hate computers want to kill every single last one of them. Bastards!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Very rarely drink myself, But I think the drink laws are a disgrace here. Id be against any moves to stop supermarkets selling cheap booze.


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    mikemac wrote: »

    The Vintners also hate below cost selling in supermarkets
    Maybe one day they'll lobby to get this stopped
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0103/alcohol.html
    The President of the Vintners Federation of Ireland Gerry Mellett has called for a minimum price to be set on alcohol sales.
    Gerry Mellett said that this is the only way pubs will survive competition from supermarket sales of alcohol.
    He said that the removal of restrictions on below-cost selling of alcohol in supermarkets is 'breaking the back' of the pub industry.
    At the moment he says pubs cannot compete with the low prices charged by supermarkets who, he claims, use alcohol to attract customers to buy groceries as well.
    Mr Mellett says publicans are under severe pressure with turnover down between 20% and 40% and says many more will close if something is not done.
    Gerry Mellett also said that the imposition of the smoking ban has also been contributing to what he called the death of the Irish pub.
    The Revenue Commissioners have released figures showing that the number of pub licences in Ireland over the past five years has fallen by 1,300.
    Last night, it was announced that up to 85 jobs are expected to be lost with the closure of Galway city pubs: Cuba bar and nightclub, The Cellar Bar and the Harvest Off-Licence are to close because of falling sales.
    A Department of Enterprise spokesperson later said the move to introduce a minimum price on alcohol could give rise to legal issues under competition legislation. These issues, he said, would have to be considered by the Competition Authority.

    Sounds like they've already started

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Brian Wailing Typographer


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0103/alcohol.html



    Sounds like they've already started
    Gerry Mellett has called for a minimum price to be set on alcohol sales.

    Gerry Mellett can fcuk right off


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Gerry Mellett can fcuk right off

    True, I hate this ****, Everything in this banana republic boils down to making more money for those at the top, Who wants to drink in their crappy pubs with their **** music, ignorant bouncers, overpriced beer ?

    It would be great if someone would line up these pricks and shoot them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0103/alcohol.html
    "The President of the Vintners Federation of Ireland Gerry Mellett has called for a minimum price to be set on alcohol sales.
    Gerry Mellett said that this is the only way pubs will survive competition from supermarket sales of alcohol.
    "

    I agree with this, I also think we should tax MP3s to support the vinyl industry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    charlemont wrote: »
    Very rarely drink myself, But I think the drink laws are a disgrace here. Id be against any moves to stop supermarkets selling cheap booze.

    As pointed out above the parasite publican lobby are busy trying to put a stop to that.. They would rather people in a "supervised environment" where the piss drink is at least 4 times the price and you have to go outside to smoke a fag.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Hells Belle


    Seachmall wrote: »
    I agree with this, I also think we should tax MP3s to support the vinyl industry.

    Sooo instead of pub bosses bringing down their prices they want offies and shops to raise theirs :confused:

    Heinekin is a little over a euro from the offie, it's €5 in a pub.

    In b4 "won't someone think of the the poor pub owner"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    As pointed out above the parasite publican lobby are busy trying to put a stop to that.. They would rather people in a "supervised environment" where the piss drink is at least 4 times the price and you have to go outside to smoke a fag.

    Really Irish..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    Fcuk the pub owners.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Fcuk the pub owners.
    Depends on looks and if they are up for it! ;):D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon


    charlemont wrote: »
    True, I hate this ****, Everything in this banana republic boils down to making more money for those at the top, Who wants to drink in their crappy pubs with their **** music, ignorant bouncers, overpriced beer ?

    It would be great if someone would line up these pricks and shoot them.

    Ever heard of overheads? Example: how much on average per year would you expect a pub to fork out for a sky licence? Hint: It's a hell of a lot more than you think. I am sad to see the pub industry taking a beating. One local pub closed in the last month after 30+ years of serving the public.

    Contrary to popular belief, you do not have to be associated with the VFI to trade. I would really hate to have to run a pub these days, but I do think some of the criticism is a little unfair. Cans are piss imo. Nothing will ever beat a proper pint after a hard day of work:P

    I don't agree with the VFI's decision, but I do not understand why people find it hard to understand that cheaper than bottled water Tesco beer sitting on a shelf is comparable to a small family run pub charging 3 euro a pint. There is simply no comparison.

    Protectionism is not only limited to pubs, take a look at the pharmaceutical industry. I don't hear people bad mouthing their unethical tactics, yet the industry is still happy to ruthlessly milk people. Unlike pubs, you don't really have a choice in that market. You aren't forced into pubs, fine. Drink at home if you wish to.

    tl;dr - It's in no way a fair comparison. Not every pub is hell bent on milking people out of every last cent. Pubs that overcharge substantially do deserve to fail, however.


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