Hardstyle in Ireland?

Dbstf · 17-07-2011 2:34am #1

Is there anybody else who is a hardstyle fan or even heard of the genre? I believe that this is one of the countries where the hard dance scene is least popular.

Tinie · 17-07-2011 5:08am

Eastern europe is probably your best place to go to listen to that, as I dont think anywhere in Ireland would play that shíte to be brutally honest.

5wreck · 17-07-2011 12:02pm

Dbstf wrote: »

Is there anybody else who is a hardstyle fan or even heard of the genre? I believe that this is one of the countries where the hard dance scene is least popular.

yeah loads there is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkOHZa-LsoE&feature=related

jonnny68 · 17-07-2011 1:36pm

There have been hardstyle events in Ireland most notably in the SFX in the 90's but these events are few and far between and to be honest there really never has been any sort of hardstyle scene in this country.

Dbstf · 17-07-2011 3:05pm

Tinie wrote: »

Eastern europe is probably your best place to go to listen to that, as I dont think anywhere in Ireland would play that shíte to be brutally honest.

I'm pretty sure you don't really know what hardstyle is... Hardstyle originated in Holland around 1999-2000 and is most popular in Northern Europe and Australia.

Dbstf · 17-07-2011 3:06pm

jonnny68 wrote: »

There have been hardstyle events in Ireland most notably in the SFX in the 90's but these events are few and far between and to be honest there really never has been any sort of hardstyle scene in this country.

I can't imagine any hardstyle events in the 90's since Hardstyle was invented in the early 21st century...

tdv123 · 17-07-2011 3:28pm

Dbstf wrote: »

I can't imagine any hardstyle events in the 90's since Hardstyle was invented in the early 21st century...

Any youtube examples.

tdv123 · 17-07-2011 3:31pm

Dbstf wrote: »

Is there anybody else who is a hardstyle fan or even heard of the genre? I believe that this is one of the countries where the hard dance scene is least popular.

Not the biggest but it has a well known list of producers & DJs. Mark Kavanagh, Alan Pullen, James Devlin etc... have made the "hard dance" scene very popular over here. Plus the likes of Andy Farley, Ian M, Glazby etc.. regularly play over here. Although they prefer to call it "Hard House" from what I can gather.

jonnny68 · 17-07-2011 3:31pm

Dbstf wrote: »

I can't imagine any hardstyle events in the 90's since Hardstyle was invented in the early 21st century...

alright Gabba then both genres are pretty much the same

ardinn · 17-07-2011 3:36pm

Not my style at all but you will get what you want under the sensation black flag, More of a sensation white man meself!!!

Dbstf · 17-07-2011 3:48pm

jonnny68 wrote: »

alright Gabba then both genres are pretty much the same

oh no you've got it all wrong dude. That's like saying house and trance are the same. Gabber is produced completely different and it's tempo is way above that of hardstyle. And I as a hardstyle fan hate gabber.

Dbstf · 17-07-2011 3:52pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glh8bCmu9qM

This is an example of the type of hardstyle I like.

jonnny68 · 17-07-2011 3:55pm

Dbstf wrote: »

oh no you've got it all wrong dude. That's like saying house and trance are the same. Gabber is produced completely different and it's tempo is way above that of hardstyle. And I as a hardstyle fan hate gabber.

There's not THAT much differnece, it's wayyyy too fast for my liking, i like some Hard Techno but that's about as "fast" ill go.;)

Dbstf · 17-07-2011 3:58pm

jonnny68 wrote: »

There's not THAT much differnece, it's wayyyy too fast for my liking, i like some Hard Techno but that's about as "fast" ill go.;)

Trust me it is quite different. I produce hardstyle and everything is pretty much different. It probably sounds the same to you because both genres use kicks with a lot of bass.

Nolanger · 17-07-2011 5:45pm

There used to be a few one-off hardstyle nights in the sports bar in Cathal Brugha Street, D1.

krd · 17-07-2011 11:52pm

Dbstf wrote: »

Is there anybody else who is a hardstyle fan or even heard of the genre? I believe that this is one of the countries where the hard dance scene is least popular.

I think it's non existent in Ireland.

Though there is a scene in the UK. And there it's mostly called UK Hardcore - same hoovers. It's not a mainstream dance style.

You can not get further from hip and cool than hardcore. It's enjoyed by lunatics with their shirts off.

I don't know - would any club in Ireland like a few hundred lunatics with their shirts off going nuts to this stuff.

It's the kind of music that seriously asks for trouble.

krd · 17-07-2011 11:59pm

Dbstf wrote: »

I can't imagine any hardstyle events in the 90's since Hardstyle was invented in the early 21st century...

Hardstyle and Hardcore are exactly the same music that started in the early 90s.

They are the same thing.

es-cee · 18-07-2011 12:06am

krd wrote: »

Hardstyle and Hardcore are exactly the same music that started in the early 90s.

They are the same thing.

no they're not.

hardstyle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXamGOxsyaU

hardcore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCktCU1GqZ4

both genres suck, but oldskool hardcore was a brilliant genre till it got cheesy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxOVULje5fc

Dbstf · 18-07-2011 12:20am

krd wrote: »

Hardstyle and Hardcore are exactly the same music that started in the early 90s.

They are the same thing.

omg.. you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. As a hardstyle producer and fan I think I would know when it was invented and what the differences are and they are NOT the same thing.

krd · 18-07-2011 1:50am

Dbstf wrote: »

omg.. you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. As a hardstyle producer and fan I think I would know when it was invented and what the differences are and they are NOT the same thing.

No, you're being a genre nerd.

Or maybe you're one of these people who think Fiddy Cent invented rap in 2001.

How do you split your hairs? The Hoovers in Hardstyle are made by a different manufacturer than hardcore?

The production may be different these days, but it is still the same genus.

Dbstf, I'm not trying to start a fight with you... let's just say we disagree. And there may be difference between the styles - but they have the same root.

Dbstf · 18-07-2011 2:57am

krd wrote: »

No, you're being a genre nerd.

Or maybe you're one of these people who think Fiddy Cent invented rap in 2001.

How do you split your hairs? The Hoovers in Hardstyle are made by a different manufacturer than hardcore?

The production may be different these days, but it is still the same genus.

Dbstf, I'm not trying to start a fight with you... let's just say we disagree. And there may be difference between the styles - but they have the same root.

Just because it was inspired by a style does not make it the same music. If what you are saying were to be true, then every genre of music is the same. It all originated from somewhere and grew and evolved into different genres.
Also it had a lot of influences from hard house and hard trance as well but that doesn't make it the same as them.

djflawless · 18-07-2011 3:51am

Dbstf wrote: »

Is there anybody else who is a hardstyle fan or even heard of the genre? I believe that this is one of the countries where the hard dance scene is least popular.

if im guessing right. . Showtek. .kutski. .organ donors and the likes?if so YES!mostly young lads listening to it.carlows a great spot for famous hardstyle djs

Executive Steve · 18-07-2011 4:23am

99.999% of people grow out of it before they're old enough to go to a club.

The 00.001% are obviously in Carlow, surprise surprise.

djflawless · 18-07-2011 1:45pm

Executive Steve wrote: »

99.999% of people grow out of it before they're old enough to go to a club.

The 00.001% are obviously in Carlow, surprise surprise.

when i said young lads i meant lads under 25. .and it sounds to me that your talking about the 'clubland hardcore'

Android 666 · 18-07-2011 3:05pm

Is there really this amount of subtle differences in sh¡tness?

VinylJunkie · 18-07-2011 3:31pm

I'm sure if you invested some time in it Android you would find you're correct it is ****e.

DEVOTION · 18-07-2011 3:44pm

Dbstf wrote: »

Is there anybody else who is a hardstyle fan or even heard of the genre? I believe that this is one of the countries where the hard dance scene is least popular.

Hardstyle is virtually non-existent over here. Seems to be big in the UK and even bigger in Europe. Why not run a night and see if it attracts people. There may well be more than just you out there.

Just ignore the snobs. Listen to what you like rather than what you think you "should" listen to.

Dbstf · 18-07-2011 4:45pm

DEVOTION wrote: »

Hardstyle is virtually non-existent over here. Seems to be big in the UK and even bigger in Europe. Why not run a night and see if it attracts people. There may well be more than just you out there.

Just ignore the snobs. Listen to what you like rather than what you think you "should" listen to.

Yes, I am aware that it's huge in Europe and Australia especially in Holland. Hardstyle events over there attract hundreds of thousands of people. I was just curious if people over here in Ireland had heard of it but my conclusion from this thread is that most of the people who posted don't even know what Hardstyle is and calling something "****e" without even knowing what it is shows clear ignorance.

Android 666 · 18-07-2011 5:00pm

Dbstf wrote: »

Yes, I am aware that it's huge in Europe and Australia especially in Holland. Hardstyle events over there attract hundreds of thousands of people. I was just curious if people over here in Ireland had heard of it but my conclusion from this thread is that most of the people who posted don't even know what Hardstyle is and calling something "****e" without even knowing what it is shows clear ignorance.

In fairness I listened to the samples posted up here and if that's what you say is hardstyle I'm not going to argue with you. But put it this way, if I'm walking down the street and I see a lump of dog sh¡t on the ground I'm not going to stick it in my pocket, bring it home and studying it before deducing that it is indeed a piece of dog sh¡t. Now, if I have a dog sh¡t fetish I'll probably be all over that turd and probably excitedly bring it and then be utterly devastated when I realise it came out of the arse of a feline. But then again each to their own. The thing is if I had a dog sh¡t fetish I couldn't really be insulted if other people chose not to study canine fecal matter to the same extent that I did, could !?

Do you get where I'm coming from?

Dbstf · 18-07-2011 5:46pm

Android 666 wrote: »

In fairness I listened to the samples posted up here and if that's what you say is hardstyle I'm not going to argue with you. But put it this way, if I'm walking down the street and I see a lump of dog sh¡t on the ground I'm not going to stick it in my pocket, bring it home and studying it before deducing that it is indeed a piece of dog sh¡t. Now, if I have a dog sh¡t fetish I'll probably be all over that turd and probably excitedly bring it and then be utterly devastated when I realise it came out of the arse of a feline. But then again each to their own. The thing is if I had a dog sh¡t fetish I couldn't really be insulted if other people chose not to study canine fecal matter to the same extent that I did, could !?

Do you get where I'm coming from?

Yes, I do get where you're coming from and you just proved my point.

krd · 18-07-2011 10:19pm

DEVOTION wrote: »

Hardstyle is virtually non-existent over here. Seems to be big in the UK and even bigger in Europe. Why not run a night and see if it attracts people. There may well be more than just you out there.

I think I've heard of nights running in Galway. But I'm not sure.

Just ignore the snobs. Listen to what you like rather than what you think you "should" listen to.

It is one style of music that is passionately hated by many people. I've heard someone describe it as like music to repeatedly punch someone in the face to. As music I don't think it's that bad. It's own thing.

It could be music that very young and very aggressive and very excitable people are into.

djflawless · 18-07-2011 10:41pm

krd wrote: »

I think I've heard of nights running in Galway. But I'm not sure.

It is one style of music that is passionately hated by many people. I've heard someone describe it as like music to repeatedly punch someone in the face to. As music I don't think it's that bad. It's own thing.

It could be music that very young and very aggressive and very excitable people are into.

im not stereo typing young people plainly because im only 20 myself.but there does be a lot of aggresion at hardstyle events

Android 666 · 18-07-2011 11:55pm

Dbstf wrote: »

Yes, I do get where you're coming from and you just proved my point.

What point is that? Look everyone here is a dog **** fetishist to different degrees. We all in the main have interest in underground music that sounds like utter muck to most people. If you don't like what I listen to it's no skin off my nose. You have every right to listen to hardstyle just as I have every right to think it's poo. If I taste something I don't like I don't eat a whole meal of it to prove whether I like it or not.

Dbstf · 19-07-2011 1:04am

Android 666 wrote: »

What point is that? Look everyone here is a dog **** fetishist to different degrees. We all in the main have interest in underground music that sounds like utter muck to most people. If you don't like what I listen to it's no skin off my nose. You have every right to listen to hardstyle just as I have every right to think it's poo. If I taste something I don't like I don't eat a whole meal of it to prove whether I like it or not.

Why do you have to create complexions for yourself? Just listen to whatever you like. It doesn't mean that it's **** just because some people don't like it. It's a matter of opinion which everyone is entitled to. I don't go around telling other people that their music taste is **** just because I don't like it. It's completely immature and shows ignorance.

P.S Nobody is forcing you to listen to anything or to even comment on this thread for that matter. All I wanted to know when I made this thread was if people here enjoyed Hardstyle like I do, not if they think is ****. I know that it is hated here in Ireland by the majority of people but that doesn't bother me. You have to be able to get out of your box. I like many styles and I would listen to anything which is produced good and sounds nice no matter what genre it is. Classifying a style as **** is definitely not what I believe in because every style has it's own uniqueness and advantages.

es-cee · 19-07-2011 1:46am

Dbstf wrote: »

Why do you have to create complexions for yourself? Just listen to whatever you like. It doesn't mean that it's **** just because some people don't like it. It's a matter of opinion which everyone is entitled to. I don't go around telling other people that their music taste is **** just because I don't like it. It's completely immature and shows ignorance.

P.S Nobody is forcing you to listen to anything or to even comment on this thread for that matter. All I wanted to know when I made this thread was if people here enjoyed Hardstyle like I do, not if they think is ****. I know that it is hated here in Ireland by the majority of people but that doesn't bother me. You have to be able to get out of your box. I like many styles and I would listen to anything which is produced good and sounds nice no matter what genre it is. Classifying a style as **** is definitely not what I believe in because every style has it's own uniqueness and advantages.

ah but the thing your forgetting is some people round these parts know what every1 should like, or at least they think they know

Android 666 · 19-07-2011 7:39am

es-cee wrote: »

ah but the thing your forgetting is some people round these parts know what every1 should like, or at least they think they know

Ah but what you're actually forgetting is this is an open forum where people are able to express their opinions on any type of music that is discussed. Just like your opinion here es-cee:

es-cee wrote: »

no they're not.

hardstyle

hardcore

both genres suck,

You've admitted you don't like it. Why are you trying to make it out to be a snobbery thing if somebody else doesn't like it?

francois · 19-07-2011 8:15am

Dbstf wrote: »

Why do you have to create complexions for yourself?

he's not good at getting a tan, that's why

Android 666 · 19-07-2011 9:04am

francois wrote: »

he's not good at getting a tan, that's why

Aye, it's this pasty, Celtic skin of mine. T'is a heavy cross to shoulder…

es-cee · 19-07-2011 11:33am

Android 666 wrote: »

Ah but what you're actually forgetting is this is an open forum where people are able to express their opinions on any type of music that is discussed. Just like your opinion here es-cee:

You've admitted you don't like it. Why are you trying to make it out to be a snobbery thing if somebody else doesn't like it?

i don't like it, but i don't feel the need to put the chap down by refering to his particular musical choice as dog or cat sh1t.

Android 666 · 19-07-2011 11:45am

es-cee wrote: »

i don't like it, but i don't feel the need to put the chap down by refering to his particular musical choice as dog or cat sh1t.

Which was an analogy along the lines of 'one man's rubbish is another man's treasure'. I wasn't putting the chap down I was just replying to his comment that 'most of the people who posted don't even know what Hardstyle is and calling something "****e" without even knowing what it is shows clear ignorance.'

I must admit to being pretty blissfully unaware of Hardstyle but after listening to the tunes posted up here I felt I learnt enough about it to know it wasn't for me. I do think it's sh¡t but remember that's just my opinion on it. I never insulted the OP for his taste in music and I never told him this is what he should be listening to instead.

es-cee · 19-07-2011 11:59am

Android 666 wrote: »

Which was an analogy along the lines of 'one man's rubbish is another man's treasure'. I wasn't putting the chap down I was just replying to his comment that 'most of the people who posted don't even know what Hardstyle is and calling something "****e" without even knowing what it is shows clear ignorance.'

I must admit to being pretty blissfully unaware of Hardstyle but after listening to the tunes posted up here I felt I learnt enough about it to know it wasn't for me. I do think it's sh¡t but remember that's just my opinion on it. I never insulted the OP for his taste in music and I never told him this is what he should be listening to instead.

fair shout.

i haven't had the luxury of being blissfully unaware myself, as i'm a member of a few different uk based music sites and vids get posted every other day with the "shuffle" dance thats linked to hardstyle, seems to be a bit of a craze atm up north even with these dance offs for want of a better phrase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfSIcx1YgVE

Android 666 · 19-07-2011 12:09pm

es-cee wrote: »

fair shout.

i haven't had the luxury of being blissfully unaware myself, as i'm a member of a few different uk based music sites and vids get posted every other day with the "shuffle" dance thats linked to hardstyle, seems to be a bit of a craze atm up north even with these dance offs for want of a better phrase.

I've actually seen some of those videos before. To my eyes that's woeful stuff altogether. That jumpstyle looks like a spastic trying to do Irish dancing.

es-cee · 19-07-2011 12:12pm

Android 666 wrote: »

I've actually seen some of those videos before. To my eyes that's woeful stuff altogether. That jumpstyle looks like a spastic trying to do Irish dancing.

yes, its terrible stuff imo too, but the younger generation seem to love it.

copeyhagen · 19-07-2011 1:12pm

was big into hard house when i was a young lad, seen all the big names and played it myself too.

all my brothers mates were big into sasha, emmerson, underworld, orbital etc at the time, they used to tell me i would outgrow the hard house, i didnt believe it.

then i turned about 19 / 20, got into going redbox instead of the closed temple theatre and realised that all hard dance is pure sh1te.

my personal opinion / story, if you ike listening to it more power to you. not for me though

Dbstf · 19-07-2011 2:46pm

Ok. I get it now. What you don't seem to understand is that I don't like that old hardstyle or the intros and the banging with noises. I HATE that part as well. I like the NEW MELODIC part of hardstyle. Artists like D-Block & S-te-Fan, Davide Sonar, Noisecontrollers, Brennan Heart etc. I will post a few examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCtB0yEQtlg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr3grVe31LU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glh8bCmu9qM

To be honest when I first heard hardstyle I was so sceptical. I liked house and techno and I hated it but then I let myself listen to some more and I heard the melodic good part of it and fell in love with it. The older hardstyle generation love the banging and the intros but most people that have started listening in the past 2-3 years love the melodic part of it. There was a lot of argument that those melodies really shouldn't be there because it's not really hardstyle with them so they started calling it "Nu-Style".

ThirdMan · 19-07-2011 6:09pm

Tinie wrote: »

Eastern europe is probably your best place to go to listen to that, as I dont think anywhere in Ireland would play that shíte to be brutally honest.

An example of why this forum is going down the pan.

I don't like hardstyle either. But live and let live.

Go through Members Mixes and look at how many of you guys play the same music.

Someone comes on here looking for info on something he's into, and he's made feel embarrassed.

Childish.

Nolanger · 19-07-2011 6:36pm

krd wrote: »

The Hoovers in Hardstyle are made by a different manufacturer than hardcore?

Those hoovers are originally from the Roland Juno synth of which I am a proud owner. First used in Belgian techno tunes in the early '90s. Years before hardcore and hardstyle (which are different to each other).

krd · 19-07-2011 7:44pm

Dbstf wrote: »

To be honest when I first heard hardstyle I was so sceptical. I liked house and techno and I hated it but then I let myself listen to some more and I heard the melodic good part of it and fell in love with it.

I think you're right. I think the music is better and cleverer than people give it credit for.

But it would be my idea of absolute hell to be in a crowd of 16 years olds, out of their minds on Red Bull, with this stuff banging.

People can really turn strongly against what they liked listening to as a teenager. It's a bit like they might listen to shouty metal when they're 13, and then be really embarrassed by it by the time they're 22 - they might be listening to Cold Play instead.

If a lot of people don't like it, it doesn't make it sh1te. If you're tastes change it doesn't make it sh1te either. You're tastes can change at any time too.

Android 666 · 19-07-2011 7:50pm

ThirdMan wrote: »

An example of why this forum is going down the pan.

I don't like hardstyle either. But live and let live.

Go through Members Mixes and look at how many of you guys play the same music.

Someone comes on here looking for info on something he's into, and he's made feel embarrassed.

Childish.

On the last couple of pages of the Member's Mixes there's drum and bass, old skool, electro, bass and uk funky, house and techno... I'm not really sure what your point is there...

Daroxtar · 19-07-2011 7:50pm

@ Dbstf- I like techno, some of it very hard indeed. Some jackin hardtechno/ghetto techno, the likes of Paul Langley or BamBam would be borderline hardstyle, although hardstyle as i understand it is rebadged HardHouse which never really did much for me. I even listen to the odd bit of Breakcore whenever I need a shock to the system. Back in the 90s I was partial to Lenny Dee, Neophyte,The Prophet, SimStim and the like. Stuff that could be classified as Hardcore or Gabber, depending on how precise you want to be about it.

H O W E V E R.......

I can't fúcking stand that Jumpstyle/NuStyle stuff with the big "Melodic" synthy choruses.

That said, if you enjoy it good luck to you. The scene is very much belgian/ dutch/ australian. Keep your eyes open for "Sensation Black". I think its actually on around now, usually the middle of july.
There was also "Escape" festival in Fairyhouse, but I doubt that'll be going on again due to the main promoter being associated with some "fat" finglas scumbags and getting shot.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 19-07-2011 9:49pm

Daroxtar wrote: »

H O W E V E R.......

I can't fúcking stand that Jumpstyle/NuStyle stuff with the big "Melodic" synthy choruses.

I agree 100%. That synthy bollocks really drives me up the wall. The likes of Angerfist makes me wanna jump off a cliff. Come to think of it, he played the Odyssey in Belfast last year, which means there must be some kind of a scene up North - also given they have Radium & Teknoist have recently played Belfast too.

Hardstyle in Ireland?

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