Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

The Rape of Men

2456

Comments

  • #32
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    curlzy wrote: »
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men

    I found this article very interesting as I really had never considered this as a widespread problem for men. I'm not sure why but I thought I'd post this article and see what are your thoughts. Are you surprised? I haven't cut and paste the whole article as it's very long.

    Read this yesterday. Can't get some of the images out of my head. Horrible, horrible, horrible. Bad enough that this happened to them (and some of the rapes are horrifically brutal), but worse again that they can't acknowledge it and receive treatment because of African society's taboo against, and lack of acknowledgement of, male rape.

    Most of them have never recieved any medical treatment afterwards (after being raped 3 times a day for 3 years), never mind psychological help. It talks about men who have bled everyday for years after and who still suffer terrible pain.

    Great article, utterly awful reality.


  • #33
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    curlzy wrote: »
    Ok, I must admit I had a secondary motive for posting the link. I was curious to see if posters would find any humour in male rape, they seem to always find humour in the rape of females. I'm happy to see that it's not sexism/misogyny that prompts them to make these jokes (as there's jokes on this thread too), it's just crappy taste in jokes :D. Also just want to say that's not an attack on the jokers, this is After Hours after all and poor taste in jokes is to be expected.

    that vid I posted wasnt to get the obligatory AH bad taste thanks, he actually makes some good points in it, it just happens to be funny as well


  • #34
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    curlzy wrote: »
    Ok, I must admit I had a secondary motive for posting the link. I was curious to see if posters would find any humour in male rape, they seem to always find humour in the rape of females. I'm happy to see that it's not sexism/misogyny that prompts them to make these jokes (as there's jokes on this thread too), it's just crappy taste in jokes :D. Also just want to say that's not an attack on the jokers, this is After Hours after all and poor taste in jokes is to be expected.


    That's a very disturbing post.


  • #35
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    You've gotta be at least little bi-curious, to stick your knob up another man's bum. Surely?

    Do you think all of those 11 men who routinely raped the chap in the article were just a little bi curious?


  • #36
    azezil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,397 ✭✭✭✭azezil


    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    You've gotta be at least little bi-curious, to stick your knob up another man's bum. Surely?

    The rape can be and is also done with sticks, screw drivers probably barrells of guns etc. not always a knob, infact based on the damage described I'd say very little of it was done by knobs.


  • Advertisement
  • #37
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    You've gotta be at least little bi-curious, to stick your knob up another man's bum. Surely?

    I think its the violence and control over a person rather than just sexual gratification.


  • #38
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,053 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    azezil wrote: »
    The rape can be and is also done with sticks, screw drivers probably barrells of guns etc. not always a knob, infact based on the damage described I'd say very little of it was done by knobs.

    Would it be considered rape if "knobs" or other body parts weren't involved though? (not taking the piss now)


  • #39
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    azezil wrote: »
    The rape can be and is also done with sticks, screw drivers probably barrells of guns etc. not always a knob, infact based on the damage described I'd say very little of it was done by knobs.

    God, screwdrivers? :(


  • #40
    mackg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    azezil wrote: »
    The rape can be and is also done with sticks, screw drivers probably barrells of guns etc. not always a knob, infact based on the damage described I'd say very little of it was done by knobs.

    I shuddered while reading this post.


  • #41
    Kotek Besar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Kotek Besar


    WindSock wrote: »
    Do you think all of those 11 men who routinely raped the chap in the article were just a little bi curious?

    No, I'd say they were most likely fully fledged closet benders if they were getting off from ass raping other men, daily.


  • Advertisement
  • #42
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Would it be considered rape if "knobs" or other body parts weren't involved though? (not taking the piss now)

    Yep. I believe brush handles and light sticks were used in certain US "black" facilities.


  • #43
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    WindSock wrote: »
    A man doesn't have to be gay to rape another man.

    I'm not saying you have to be gay to rape another man, but after having sex with numerous men irrespective of the reasoning behind it, whether it was for sexual pleasure or torture punishment, the rapist can hardly say they're heterosexual. And in Africa, I would have thought the stigma of this would get you killed.


  • #44
    Kimia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    You've gotta be at least little bi-curious, to stick your knob up another man's bum. Surely?

    It's nothing to do with being bi-curious. It's about demeaning, humiliating, torturing and degrading another human being (male or female) to break them. It's absolutely horrific and nothing whatsoever to do with getting sexual pleasure.

    I don't see how it's hard to understand?


  • #45
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    No, I'd say they were most likely fully fledged closet benders if they were getting off from ass raping other men, daily.

    I'm guessing you're just not bothering your hole to read, or address any of the other posts in this thread regarding what rape is and the tenuous link to it being an act of sexual desire.


  • #46
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Would it be considered rape if "knobs" or other body parts weren't involved though? (not taking the piss now)

    Have you ever read the Ryan or Murphy reports. They have this table which lists the type of abuse suffered and then gives a recommendation for how much the victim should get in compensation. As far as I can remember any kind of pentrative act carries the same tariff if you will! But some of the items listed are glass bottles (broken or otherwise), screwdrivers, crucifixes (I know) and toys.

    Sorry if I went off track there a bit but just came back to me.


  • #47
    Chairman Meow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Chairman Meow


    Jaysus. After getting reamed 3 times a day for 3 years, surely itd be a 'hotdog down a hallway' scenario?


  • #48
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Kimia wrote: »
    It's nothing to do with being bi-curious. It's about demeaning, humiliating, torturing and degrading another human being (male or female) to break them. It's absolutely horrific and nothing whatsoever to do with getting sexual pleasure.

    I don't see how it's hard to understand?

    I think in some cases they are getting sexual pleasure as well, I think you are mistaken to think otherwise. I think this kind of torture does have a lot to do with enmasculating a man.

    As an aside she said that men have been raped have a certain smell about them, what does she mean?


  • #49
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Chairman Meow wrote: »
    Jaysus. After getting reamed 3 times a day for 3 years, surely itd be a 'hotdog down a hallway' scenario?

    What an idiot you are.


  • #50
    Kotek Besar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Kotek Besar


    WindSock wrote: »
    I'm guessing you're just not bothering your hole to read, or address any of the other posts in this thread regarding what rape is and the tenuous link to it being an act of sexual desire.

    No, no, I get that it's about being demeaning, humiliating, torturing and degrading another human being (male or female) to break them (to quote another poster), but I also don't agree that it's nothing whatsoever to do with getting sexual pleasure.


  • #51
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Lux23 wrote: »
    I think in some cases they are getting sexual pleasure as well, I think you are mistaken to think otherwise. I think this kind of torture does have a lot to do with enmasculating a man.

    As an aside she said that men have been raped have a certain smell about them, what does she mean?

    Their rears have been permanently damaged in such a manner as to mean that they "leak".


  • Advertisement
  • #52
    Kimia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    Lux23 wrote: »
    I think in some cases they are getting sexual pleasure as well, I think you are mistaken to think otherwise. I think this kind of torture does have a lot to do with enmasculating a man.

    True. I should have just highlighted that it's primarily about domination & degradation. But absolutely some men get sexual pleasure from that. :(
    As an aside she said that men have been raped have a certain smell about them, what does she mean?

    I wondered that too. Maybe something to do with the bleeding/pus?


  • #53
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    No, no, I get that it's about being demeaning, humiliating, torturing and degrading another human being (male or female) to break them (to quote another poster), but I also don't agree that it's nothing whatsoever to do with getting sexual pleasure.

    That might be the case for some, although I would say a small minority who get a sadistic pleasure from the torturing.
    I would even say that most of the 11 men raped because they had to, not because they wanted to.


  • #54
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    WindSock wrote: »
    I would even say that most of the 11 men raped because they had to, not because they wanted to.

    I would disagree. It would be pretty difficult to get a hard on if you weren't up for that sort of thing. And there's easier ways to torture people.

    Although in saying that, if they were raping them with objects then that wouldn't come into it.


  • #55
    Kimia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    steve06 wrote: »
    I would disagree. It would be pretty difficult to get a hard on if you weren't up for that sort of thing. And there's easier ways to torture people.

    Although in saying that, if they were raping them with objects then that wouldn't come into it.

    So you think that every single soldier that has raped a man (must be thousands) are all gay?

    You think that every one of those 11 soldiers (11 out of 11) are gay?

    Are you also saying that as a result, in Africa what's actually happening is that there is an army of gay soldiers who rape for pleasure?


  • #56
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    Lux23 wrote: »
    Have you ever read the Ryan or Murphy reports. They have this table which lists the type of abuse suffered and then gives a recommendation for how much the victim should get in compensation. As far as I can remember any kind of pentrative act carries the same tariff if you will! But some of the items listed are glass bottles (broken or otherwise), screwdrivers, crucifixes (I know) and toys.

    Sorry if I went off track there a bit but just came back to me.
    Are you serious. Glass bottles (broken or otherwise).


  • #57
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Kimia wrote: »
    So you think that every single soldier that has raped a man (must be thousands) are all gay?

    You think that every one of those 11 soldiers (11 out of 11) are gay?

    Are you also saying that as a result, in Africa what's actually happening is that there is an army of gay soldiers who rape for pleasure?

    Are you actually reading my posts? I'll re-point you back up here for a minute http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73351761&postcount=43


  • #58
    token56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭token56


    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    Are you serious. Glass bottles (broken or otherwise).

    It's called torture for a reason.


  • #59
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    token56 wrote: »
    It's called torture for a reason.
    In the Ryan and Murphy reports.


  • #60
    Rocket19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭Rocket19


    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    No, no, I get that it's about being demeaning, humiliating, torturing and degrading another human being (male or female) to break them (to quote another poster), but I also don't agree that it's nothing whatsoever to do with getting sexual pleasure.

    I'd say, for some, the very act of exhibiting that kind of dominance and violence over another is, in itself, sexually gratifying. Regardless of the gender of the victim, some people literally "get off" on this kind of power.
    I would agree though, that its far less about sex, than about 'breaking' the individual in question. I would imagine that for most men (regardless of sexual orientation), this kind of assault would utterly destroy their spirit. They are literally forced into submission, and this takes a severe psychological toll. In a culture where "men are men", they stand to lose their sense of power, control and masculinity. In effect, they become the "perfect prisoner".

    The "gay" thing shouldn't really come into a discussion of this sort, but it inevitable does anyway.
    Obviously these soldiers/commanders are encounaged to take part in these assaults.It become acceptable and a 'necessary' part of warfare. They may or may not be gay, most probably arent, its not the point. The fact is that the rape is used as a form of torture.
    I'm aware homosexuality is a massive taboo in Africa (even more so than elsewhere in the world), but at the same time, the article did point out the massive under-reporting of male rape - by both victims and perpetrators.
    I would imagine these acts are one of the many "dirty little secrets" of war and 'backward' society. They are encouraged, sure, but damned if anyone talks about it.

    Its the perfect crime in a lot of ways because there's so much shame surrounding it. This is enforced by an ignorant population who's societies and women will often shun the victim. Its a vicious circle, which hopefully will be broken by awareness and recognition of the problem. I certainly didn't know anything about this kind of thing.
    Good article though, and as someone already said, horrific reality.


  • Advertisement
  • #61
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    WindSock wrote: »
    That might be the case for some, although I would say a small minority who get a sadistic pleasure from the torturing.
    I would even say that most of the 11 men raped because they had to, not because they wanted to.

    I would be amazed if the soldiers doing the "gay rape" and the soldiers doing the woman and child rape don't share about 90% common members.


Advertisement
Advertisement