Are the gardai beating the sh1t out of people

ElasticMan · 17-07-2011 02:14PM

I'm all for the Gardai getting a bit heavy handed with some of the scumbags who roam around the place, it's about time too.

Maybe it'll deter these scumbags from picking fights with innocent people on the streets if they know they'll get a bit roughed up themselves once the Gardai arrive.

Now all we need is longer sentences so they won't be roaming the streets to begin with.

It's about time that the law abiding majority of this country take the country back from the minority of scumbags and wasters, no?

Apparently not, according to some of the people in this thread. It wouldn't be 'politically correct' enough, now would it? Best leave the scumbags run riot.

Chris P. Bacon · 17-07-2011 02:25PM

Tigger wrote: »

This is probably untrue

No its not,have you ever been on the end of Garda beating?

MagicSean · 17-07-2011 02:37PM

Well this thread went as expected. It's simple really. Gardaí often arrest people who are pissed of their heads or high as a kite. These people are high risk prisoners. Their condition can degrade very suddenly and rapidly. When a person dies in custody there are investigations by senior command, the Ombudsman and the Coroner. I've yet to see any report to indicate a death caused by violence at the hands of Gardaí.

MagicSean · 17-07-2011 02:39PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

So? She's a garda, that comes with the job.

Is it really? How do you make that out? So if a shop worker gets stabbed during an armed robbery is that also part of their job?

Wolfe Tone · 17-07-2011 02:41PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Is it really? How do you make that out? So if a shop worker gets stabbed during an armed robbery is that also part of their job?

I would have though Garda would realise that getting into physical confrontations is to be expected.

K-9 · 17-07-2011 02:42PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Sad that some people dont care if the garda beat people who are "skangers". Its that attitude which lets them get away with it.

Would have thought punishment beatings would have met your approval.

MagicSean · 17-07-2011 02:43PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I would have though Garda would realise that getting into physical confrontations is to be expected.

Hardly means it's acceptable

Wolfe Tone · 17-07-2011 02:46PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Hardly means it's acceptable

I never said it was, do you think beating the crap out of someone in the back of the van is acceptable?

Chris P. Bacon · 17-07-2011 02:46PM

Here is two cases of Gardai beating people.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2011/0712/ireland/garda-spoke-of-man-deserving-a-slap-court-hears-512554.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0712/holnessa.html

Wolfe Tone · 17-07-2011 02:46PM

K-9 wrote: »

Would have thought punishment beatings would have met your approval.

Well you would be wrong them wouldnt you?

MagicSean · 17-07-2011 02:53PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I never said it was, do you think beating the crap out of someone in the back of the van is acceptable?

You said it comes with the job. To me that says you don't think it is a big deal. I have no time for Gardaí who beat up prisoners. I think it's cowardly.

Chris P. Bacon wrote: »

Here is two cases of Gardai beating people.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2011/0712/ireland/garda-spoke-of-man-deserving-a-slap-court-hears-512554.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0712/holnessa.html

Neither of which involved a death.

Wolfe Tone · 17-07-2011 02:55PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

You said it comes with the job. To me that says you don't think it is a big deal. I have no time for Gardaí who beat up prisoners. I think it's cowardly.

He was playing up the fact it was a female Garda. I dont see how that makes it extra worse when the woman knew what she was getting into, and was presumably trained etc.

Chris P. Bacon · 17-07-2011 02:57PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Neither of which involved a death.

So its ok then?

MagicSean · 17-07-2011 03:00PM

Chris P. Bacon wrote: »

So its ok then?

Did you even bother to read the whole post?

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Well this thread went as expected. It's simple really. Gardaí often arrest people who are pissed of their heads or high as a kite. These people are high risk prisoners. Their condition can degrade very suddenly and rapidly. When a person dies in custody there are investigations by senior command, the Ombudsman and the Coroner. I've yet to see any report to indicate a death caused by violence at the hands of Gardaí.

MagicSean · 17-07-2011 03:02PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

He was playing up the fact it was a female Garda. I dont see how that makes it extra worse when the woman knew what she was getting into, and was presumably trained etc.

Have you ever seen a woman get beaten up? It's a lot worse then seeing two men fighting. You can justify it all you want by saying she is in the uniform but she is still a woman.

Wolfe Tone · 17-07-2011 03:05PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Have you ever seen a woman get beaten up? It's a lot worse then seeing two men fighting. You can justify it all you want by saying she is in the uniform but she is still a woman.

I'm not justifying anything. He was attempting to justify battering the prisoner by saying that the garda who was hit was a women, my response, "so". What would your response be?

And yes, I have.

deisedave · 17-07-2011 03:21PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Is it really? How do you make that out? So if a shop worker gets stabbed during an armed robbery is that also part of their job?

Gardai get danger pay do they not, A police force is the same as being in the army for example, your job is to protect and serve which sometimes might be dangerous. If someone does not like that then do not sign up, being a guard is going to be a dangerous job and no offense if a soldier gets hurt its just a downside of the job, same thing with joining the police force.

deisedave · 17-07-2011 03:24PM

Chris P. Bacon wrote: »

Here is two cases of Gardai beating people.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2011/0712/ireland/garda-spoke-of-man-deserving-a-slap-court-hears-512554.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0712/holnessa.html

The second one happened just outside my doorstep:(

deisedave · 17-07-2011 03:25PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

He was playing up the fact it was a female Garda. I dont see how that makes it extra worse when the woman knew what she was getting into, and was presumably trained etc.

Exactly equality is in the police force and There is no difference between a man and a woman getting hit. I would not feel any more sorry for her just because she is purely a female. If women cant defend themselves then should they be on the front line, which is going to be dangerous

charlemont · 17-07-2011 03:38PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Well this thread went as expected. It's simple really. Gardaí often arrest people who are pissed of their heads or high as a kite. These people are high risk prisoners. Their condition can degrade very suddenly and rapidly. When a person dies in custody there are investigations by senior command, the Ombudsman and the Coroner. I've yet to see any report to indicate a death caused by violence at the hands of Gardaí.

Such as Brian Rossiter, Thats the excuse the hospital heard but we know its not true. Iv experienced first hand what goes down in that station.

Duggy747 · 17-07-2011 03:55PM

One of my best friends was hospitalised about 2 months ago after 3 Gardaì pinned him to the ground and beat the shìt out of him in a holding cell.

Ombudsman and a Garda station from another town are investigating it and the 3 Gardaì are being brought up on it at the moment. He didn't do anything to warrant the beating or arrest, if he did, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on with the case.

Where I'm from it's not uncommon at all, in smaller towns around the country especially. Many times people will never report the beatings to anybody for the sake of no more hassle from them.

deisedave · 17-07-2011 03:58PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

One of my best friends was hospitalised about 2 months ago after 3 Gardaì pinned him to the ground and beat the shìt out of him in a holding cell.

Ombudsman and a Garda station from another town are investigating it and the 3 Gardaì are being brought up on it at the moment.

Where I'm from it's not uncommon at all, in smaller towns around the country especially. Many times people will never report the beatings to anybody for the sake of no more hassle from them.

I have a cousin from a council estate and the next door nighbours deal drugs, one day the guards bust down my cousins door and tear the place apart. Next thing you hear oh crap we have the wrong house, the warrant was meant for the house next door where the drug dealer lives. The guard told my cousin to keep quite about this or he would be sorry and stupidly enough my cousin was scared and said nothing about it.

Show Time · 17-07-2011 04:32PM

Tigger wrote: »

Failing to obey the instructions of a Garda Ie: go home.

Hardly relevant

Yes it is.
He could have been standing in some street roaring and shouting his head off like some yahoo in need of a good kicking.

usernamegoes · 17-07-2011 04:36PM

There are two trials on at the moment of 4 police in each case charged with assaulting people.

I am not in favor of the police being permitted to beat people.

Finnbar01 · 17-07-2011 05:38PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Sure what would you expect from a pig only a grunt.

That's absolutely uncalled for to refer to another human being as a pig.

The fact is that in many urban areas a lot of cops view any and all from working class areas as inherent scum, plebs that need to be treated with derision and disdain as they are all simply straining to run out of their estates and rob decent rich folk.

I agree with you here. I'm from a working class estate myself and encounters with the garda were quite scary. I could never understand their behaviour. I always assumed when you are calm, polite and respectful towards another person, usually (but not always) they would return the favour.

I think a lot of people get peeved off with the aggressive and disrespectful attitude some gardaí display.

Another conculsion I have come to, is that with certain people Gardai can never do anything good and that people seem to only recall the bad experiences with them. An example of that was driving from Waterford to Dublin. We were stopped just by the bridge in Waterford. Gardaí very professional and friendly.We were stopped again in Kilkenny, friend was slightly over the speed limit, but after the garda had a few words with him in a respectful manner, he lets us off, no fine or nothing. Stopped the third time at a check point in Dublin, again no problems. It was only when we were driving back down from Dublin, we went the Wicklow, Wexford route. That's when we were pulled in the fourth time by a cop on his bike.

Well that was nasty. Foaming and spitting at the mouth, banging the roof of the car. Swearing and threaten language and behvaiour. Of course everything with the car and my friend was above broad, so he let's go on our way. With a final threat that he was watching us and we better never come to his attention again.

Anyways, we were down in the local later that night and yup you guessed it, my friend couldn't wait to tell the lads about the aggressivbe guard we encounter in Wexford. When I mentioned about the other guards, he just looked at me and said 'what about them'. :rolleyes:

lastlaugh · 17-07-2011 06:03PM

Some people deserve/need a good beating, I know it sounds very un-PC, but that's the way it is.

I'd say if you were a Guard having to put up a lot of sh!t and taking abuse off Neanderthals on a regular basis, it would be easy to see the red mist descend.

Tehachapi · 17-07-2011 06:24PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

Some people deserve/need a good beating, I know it sounds very un-PC, but that's the way it is.

I'd say if you were a Guard having to put up a lot of sh!t and taking abuse off Neanderthals on a regular basis, it would be easy to see the red mist descend.

Some psychiatrists and psych nurses receive far worse physical abuse than gardai, are they warranted in beating patients up?

lastlaugh · 17-07-2011 06:33PM

Tehachapi wrote: »

Some psychiatrists and psych nurses receive far worse physical abuse than gardai, are they warranted in beating patients up?

To beat them up? No.

To drug them up? Most definitely.

MagicSean · 17-07-2011 06:50PM

deisedave wrote: »

Gardai get danger pay do they not, A police force is the same as being in the army for example, your job is to protect and serve which sometimes might be dangerous. If someone does not like that then do not sign up, being a guard is going to be a dangerous job and no offense if a soldier gets hurt its just a downside of the job, same thing with joining the police force.

Danger pay? Where did you hear that? The job of Gardaí is not to protect and serve. I think that's the LAPD. This country has a police service as opposed to a police force which means that it is policed with the consent of the people. That is why Gardaí are not armed and have little in the way of non lethal weapons. The job is not supposed to be dangerous, it just is.

charlemont wrote: »

Such as Brian Rossiter, Thats the excuse the hospital heard but we know its not true. Iv experienced first hand what goes down in that station.

Brian Rossiter was assaulted by another man who has been convicted for it. There is no evidence to suggest he was assaulted in custody or that his time in custody contributed in any way to his death. There have been numerous inquiries into his death by different bodies.

deisedave · 17-07-2011 07:00PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Danger pay? Where did you hear that? The job of Gardaí is not to protect and serve. I think that's the LAPD. This country has a police service as opposed to a police force which means that it is policed with the consent of the people. That is why Gardaí are not armed and have little in the way of non lethal weapons. The job is not supposed to be dangerous, it just is.

Brian Rossiter was assaulted by another man who has been convicted for it. There is no evidence to suggest he was assaulted in custody or that his time in custody contributed in any way to his death. There have been numerous inquiries into his death by different bodies.

I am sure anyone signing up to the police service knows its dangerous and that its not a safe office job and in fairness most just get on and do there job very well.

Are the gardai beating the sh1t out of people

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