Are the gardai beating the sh1t out of people

Tehachapi

While in custody? Yet again another sad story in the news, these are becoming all too common. Todays:

Man declared dead after rush to hospital from Garda custody
16/07/2011 - 21:33:35

An investigation has been launched after a man who was garda custody in Cork city died later after being rushed to hospital.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-declared-dead-after-rush-to-hospital-from-garda-custody-513082.html#ixzz1SJFr3VKz

Just 7 weeks ago:

Man dies in garda custody after collapsing in cell
25/05/2011 - 16:47:26

A 52-year-old man has died after collapsing in a cell in a garda station.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-dies-in-garda-custody-after-collapsing-in-cell-506405.html#ixzz1SJFioLt0

And another few incidents, 3 months ago:

Garda Ombudsman investigates case of man in garda custody rushed to hospital
28/04/2011 - 15:58:57

The Garda Ombudsman has launched an investigation into a seriously ill man who was rushed to hospital while in custody.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/garda-ombudsman-investigates-case-of-man-in-garda-custody-rushed-to-hospital-503022.html#ixzz1SJHKawHB

Serious one last year:

Investigation launched into man’s death in Garda custody
07/06/2010 - 20:55:25


An investigation is underway after a man in his 30’s died while in garda custody in Dundalk in Co. Louth.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/investigation-launched-into-mans-death-in-garda-custody-460728.html#ixzz1SJGscTo4

I could go on, just search news sites for plenty more over the last few years. If these people are well enough/conscious enough to be arrested and not need an ambulance when being arrested, then ending up dead a few hours later - something seems wrong to me.

hondasam

we don't know what he died from yet.

have you proof the gardai beat him?

Wolfe Tone

With certain sections of society, yes they are in general.

Of course not all Garda are like that.

Killer Pigeon

hondasam wrote: »

we don't know what he died from yet.

have you proof the gardai beat him?

You mean "them".

There are so many of these incidents in the past couple of months, it's quite disturbing.

Tehachapi

hondasam wrote: »

we don't know what he died from yet.

have you proof the gardai beat him?

I'm not claiming anything as fact, just putting the question out there to get peoples opinions. I find these cases a little disturbing tbh.

CorkMan

TBH if the Gardaí are beating up people who are under 25 and have 25+ convictions to their resume, I say fair dues.

Don't let the salesman solicitor have a say 1st.

Richard Hillman

Its usually members of the skanger community that get a good ol'fashioned hiding, so meh. They dont jsut go around beating random people up.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Us vs. them.

In whatever context, the thread will exist in AH

My name is URL

I reckon it's more likely due to heart attacks or the effects of alcohol poisoning in most cases like that.

hondasam

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Its usually members of the skanger community that get a good ol'fashioned hiding, so meh. They dont jsut go around beating random people up.

They should not beat anyone up tbf.

Tehachapi

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Its usually members of the skanger community that get a good ol'fashioned hiding, so meh. They dont jsut go around beating random people up.

Fair enough, but if we start accepting this sort of lawless behaviour from the gardai - what's to stop them beating up anyone in custody. I'm all for longer and more harsh sentences in the Irish justice system, it makes me sick reading about murder cases being downgraded to manslaughter, getting 8 years with 3 years suspended for good behaviour. It's complete bs, but this is a seperate issue altogether and not the answer to our crappy justice system.

Killer Pigeon

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Its usually members of the skanger community that get a good ol'fashioned hiding, so meh. They dont jsut go around beating random people up.

Eh, even if these alleged "skangers" were killed in the purpose?

Personally, I don't see killing as "a good ol'fashioned hiding".

CorkMan

hondasam wrote: »

They should not beat anyone up tbf.

The scummers should either.

El Siglo

If they are beating up people, fair play. Justice... RUC style!;)

AudreyHepburn

Do we really need another Garda bashing thread?

Wolfe Tone

Its the Garda who are doing the bashing, thats the problem lol

Thoie

My initial assumption when I read these things is that the prisoner was drunk/on drugs/in a state which led to them being brought in in the first place, not that the gardaí beat them.

That leads to the question of whether there should be a doctor available to review everyone who's brought into custody - extremely expensive, and not very practical in small town garda stations.

charlemont

I live near there and the time and place of arrest suggests to me a homeless person or drug/alcohol addict.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-declared-dead-after-rush-to-hospital-from-garda-custody-513082.html#ixzz1SJFr3VKz

Augmerson

My name is URL wrote: »

I reckon it's more likely due to heart attacks or the effects of alcohol poisoning in most cases like that.

Ban alcohol I say /me rings Joe Duffy.

mikemac

I voted no though I've not studied every case

OP, you may have heard of Terence Wheelock.
From Summerhill Dublin, arrested for joyriding with his three comrades by a squad car as they fled from the stolen car. So he was seen in the act, caught red handed as the phrase goes
Also had two outstanding warrants out for him

Found in a coma in a cell in Store Street.
The coroner returned a verdict of suicide. The family dispute and it's been going back and forth. There was also issues of blood on his clothes but not his own blood and the family could not explain it

Bertie Ahern was lobbied but wouldn't back him, maybe he was right?
Joe Costelloe and the late Tony Gregory were happy to jump in and join marches

The lad was no saint for sure. But the family are convinced he did not commit suicide.

The likes of Indymedia would have you believe the gardaí had a role in his death.

Reason for my long post? It was a well known case and very contentious so if you've an interest in the area read a few stories over it.
It still isn't resolved and there are calls for an inquiry

Tehachapi

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Do we really need another Garda bashing thread?

Well you could do the logical thing and attempt to prove me wrong, that there's nothing suspicious about these cases.

Or take the easy option and attempt to have the thread closed.

Your choice :cool:

epgc3fyqirnbsx

There has never been anything close to a case of Gardai beating someone to death as far as I know.
Undoubtedly they will often give a few digs to the ribs or whatever of some cheeky bastard who they are arresting. they shouldn't but that's easy to say. I've spoken to cops who talked of being in the back of a Paddy wagon with a prisoner going into detail about how they would ride their sister/mother and then pick up on when their mother might be dead etc and then spit in their face. In such cases yeah, they'd get a good few digs in the body but sure who wouldn't
But humans are pretty strong, there's an enormous difference between that and being instrumental to someones demise by physical abuse

As Url has said, down to other reasons

amacachi

No mention in the OP of the lad who died a couple of weeks ago in Dundalk a little while after being arrested.

Super-Rush

4 people in a year. Its an epidemic Joe.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

mikemac wrote: »

I voted no though I've studied every case

OP, you may have heard of Terence Wheelock.
From Summerhill Dublin, arrested for joyriding with his three comrades by a squad car as they fled from the stolen car. So he was seen in the act, caught red handed as the phrase goes
Also had two outstanding warrants out for him

Found in a coma in a cell in Store Street.
The coroner returned a verdict of suicide. The family dispute and it's been going back and forth. There was also issues of blood on his clothes but not his own blood and the family could not explain it

Bertie Ahern was lobbied but wouldn't back him, maybe he was right?
Joe Costelloe and the late Tony Gregory were happy to jump in and join marches

The lad was no saint for sure. But the family are convinced he did not commit suicide.

The likes of Indymedia would have you believe the gardaí had a role in his death.

Reason for my long post? It was a well known case and very contentious so if you've an interest in the area read a few stories over it.

Firstly, Indymedia is the greatest load of ****, you cannot get unbiased news there despite the name

Secondly, coroners are completely independent of the gardai and the judiciary. They are doctors bound by their oath who perform a full examination. Should there have been any evidence of abuse it would be in the report.

AudreyHepburn

Tehachapi wrote: »

Well you could do the logical thing and attempt to prove me wrong, that there's nothing suspicious about these cases.

Or take the easy option and attempt to have the thread closed.

Your choice :cool:

I'm not trying to close and there may indeed by wrongdoing in this case but I just think people overreact and overgeneralise sometimes when it comes to the Gardai and I hope this thread won't turn to that.

n1mr0d

Yes. As with most of the 'pillars' of Irish society they've been abusing it's citizens in private for years and it's only now starting to come to light. This place would nearly need tore apart altogether and completely scrutinised/rebuilt.

Biggins

Gawd, this regurgitated topic yet again for the umpteenth time.
What the hell happened to originality in this country? Christ!

CorkMan

Biggins wrote: »

Gawd, this regurgitated topic yet again for the umpteenth time.
What the hell happened to originality in this country? Christ!

You should have gotten into the Dáil and posted a ban on this specific type of topic.

mikemac

Melody Sticky Tablet wrote: »

Firstly, Indymedia is the greatest load of ****, you cannot get unbiased news there despite the name

Secondly, coroners are completely independent of the gardai and the judiciary. They are doctors bound by their oath who perform a full examination. Should there have been any evidence of abuse it would be in the report.

Oh I know the kind of bias that goes on over on Indymedia

I'm just giving an example to the OP

In my opinion the gardaí, have no case to answer, they found him unconcious and rushed him to hospital

The idea that Terence had hanged himself is one which has been contested by his family. According to his brother Larry, Terence was a healthy, happy-go-lucky young man with no history of self-harm and for him to have committed suicide would have been entirely out of character. His family believe that Terence died as a result of injuries received from the gardaí while in custody

And this is nonsense from the family. People have committed suicide and people around them are shocked and never expected it.

The coroner made a verdict and that's fine by me.
Just it was a long and contentious case and a good example for the thread, that's all

Tehachapi

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

people overreact and overgeneralise sometimes when it comes to the Gardai and I hope this thread won't turn to that.

I hope so too, that's not the intention anyway. I actually have a lot of respect for the gardai and the work they do given their resources. But if there's a few bad apples participating in a culture of illegally beating people up - they should be exposed, fired and never allowed work with the public again.

AudreyHepburn

Biggins wrote: »

Gawd, this regurgitated topic yet again for the umpteenth time.
What the hell happened to originality in this country? Christ!

People will always find something to complain and generalise about, if not the church then the Gardai or the economy or politicians etc.

It really gets tedious though.

AudreyHepburn

Tehachapi wrote: »

I hope so too, that's not the intention anyway. I actually have a lot of respect for the gardai and the work they do given their resources. But if there's a few bad apples participating in a culture of illegally beating people up - they should be exposed, fired and never allowed work with the public again.

I agree but you and I both know these threads only go one way.

Show Time

If the lads and ladies in blue are kicking the crap out of a durt burd then no harm done as long as they are not caught.

amacachi

Show Time wrote: »

If the lads and ladies in blue are kicking the crap out of a durt burd then no harm done as long as they are not caught.

Better yet is collective responsibility meaning that none are responsible.

the groutch

reminds me of the student protests last year, with the gardai assaulting peaceful protesters because they were unlucky enough to be between the Gardai and the idiots from Eirigi.
no wonder there's no protests of any substance in this country, because if you try to exercise your democratic right you get a battering

dvpower

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Do we really need another Garda bashing thread?

King of Kings

personally I think the gardai aren't doing enough bashing.

Tehachapi

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

People will always find something to complain and generalise about, if not the church then the Gardai or the economy or politicians etc.

It really gets tedious though.

Then don't read them! Surely if only innovative, exciting, ground-breaking threads were allowed open, boards.ie would lose around 95% of it's content :pac:

hondasam

super-rush wrote: »

4 people in a year. Its an epidemic Joe.

make sure you don't get arrested.

Jess16

El Siglo wrote: »

If they are beating up people, fair play

Ohmigod ur *so* cool!

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Do we really need another Garda bashing thread?

Do Gardaí really need to be bashing people?

Any civilian can kick the crap out of someone for breaking the law, professional law enforcers are trained to and paid to know better. Anything less is not acceptable

n1mr0d

Show Time wrote: »

If the lads and ladies in blue are kicking the crap out of a durt burd then no harm done as long as they are not caught.

Brilliant. Sure all them children the priests molested were usually from 'women of low repute' and 'bad families' so no harm done there either.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

mikemac wrote: »

Oh I know the kind of bias that goes on over on Indymedia

I'm just giving an example to the OP

In my opinion the gardaí, have no case to answer, they found him unconcious and rushed him to hospital


And this is nonsense from the family. People have committed suicide and people around them are shocked and never expected it.

The coroner made a verdict and that's fine by me.
Just it was a long and contentious case and a good example for the thread, that's all

Apologies, I didn't read your post thoroughly

amdublin

I flicked on to breakingnews.ie and saw that story and thought the exact same as you op - there seems to be awful increase lately in the amount of people dying in police custody

Biggins

Tehachapi wrote: »

Then don't read them! Surely if only innovative, exciting, ground-breaking threads were allowed open, boards.ie would lose around 95% of it's content :pac:

...But be damn bit more interesting instead of the same old, same old...

Show Time

amacachi wrote: »

Better yet is collective responsibility meaning that none are responsible.

All some of the little sh**s walking the streets need is a good proper hiding, Enough of a one to make them think twice before they step out of line again.

amacachi

Show Time wrote: »

All some of the little sh**s walking the streets need is a good proper hiding, Enough of a one to make them think twice before they step out of line again.

We should go ahead and do that but I'm sure there's a few hundred thousand people around the country who'd be happy to do it for free, no need to pay people and also give them immunity to act out their fetishes.

animan

Tbh I think i'd prefer a hiding than getting a criminal record. For something small of course. Bruises go away a criminal record doesn't. Also I could just tell my mammy I was in a fight not up to divilment

My name is URL

Biggins wrote: »

Gawd, this regurgitated topic yet again for the umpteenth time.
What the hell happened to originality in this country? Christ!

Your posts complaining about the lack of originality in threads is, ironically, becoming quite repetitive and unoriginal.

It's obviously a bullcrap thread, based on zero evidence and devoid of logic.. but I don't remember ever seeing a thread about this before. If you don't like a topic either ignore it or report it as an attempt at flame-baiting.

Tehachapi

Show Time wrote: »

All some of the little sh**s walking the streets need is a good proper hiding, Enough of a one to make them think twice before they step out of line again.

No, what they need is proper sentencing. If someone shows up in court with 124 previous convictions - give them 10 years mandatory, no bs suspended sentences. People criticize the USA for it's high prison population, but having lived there I can tell you there are a LOT less criminals walking the streets than here.

Biggins

My name is URL wrote: »

...If you don't like a topic either ignore it or report it as an attempt at flame-baiting.

You right - I will.

My name is URL wrote: »

...It's obviously a bullcrap thread, based on zero evidence and devoid of logic...

I agree there too.