Should the Vatican state's ambassador in Ireland be expelled?

Dionysus · 15-07-2011 02:41PM #1

I know there's a thread on this general issue, but it has no poll.

Given the revelations that the Vatican state instructed its bishops (employees) in Ireland to ignore Irish state legislation and report directly to the Vatican state when allegations of child abuse against Irish children were made, do you think the Vatican state's representative in Ireland, the papal nuncio, should be expelled?

Charles Flanagan, son of the infamous diehard Roman Catholic Oliver J. Flanagan, has asked that this be done. I couldn't agree more with the man. Is there any reason why that state's representative in this republic should not be expelled?

Seachmall · 15-07-2011 02:44PM

Unless he's guilty of an actual crime then no.

Biggins · 15-07-2011 02:45PM

Yes, until the Vatican state agrees to respect Irish law

http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-should-the-papal-nuncio-be-expelled-from-ireland-177933-Jul2011/

charlemont · 15-07-2011 02:46PM

Yes, until the Vatican state agrees to respect Irish law

Send the scumbag packing..

prinz · 15-07-2011 02:46PM

No

Yes.

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-07-2011 02:47PM

No i think we should sue the Vatican for the destruction of Irish peoples lives since the foundation of our state.

About 120 Billion should cover it

Tazz T · 15-07-2011 02:48PM

and the rest of the catholic church should go with him

Rented Mule · 15-07-2011 02:51PM

No

Unless he owns a chipper and can employ a few hundred thousand people.

Otherwise .....ciao !!

Biggins · 15-07-2011 02:54PM

Yes, until the Vatican state agrees to respect Irish law

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

No i think we should sue the Vatican for the destruction of Irish peoples lives since the foundation of our state.

About 120 Billion should cover it

Ya kidding? They won't pay up what they already owe!

Rented Mule · 15-07-2011 02:54PM

No

Seachmall wrote: »

Unless he's guilty of an actual crime then no.

'He' is not the person guilty of a crime. 'He' is the representative of a country that conspiring to protect rapists and paedophiles at the expense of the safety of Irish children.

My name is URL · 15-07-2011 02:57PM

Yes, until the Vatican state agrees to respect Irish law

I don't see what good expelling him would do. It won't change what happened, and the Vatican will just replace him with someone else. Besides, I heard on the radio yesterday that he will be leaving soon anyway. Headed for Prague I think.

Rumors are circulating in Rome that Leanza will be reassigned to Prague in the Czech Republic, in an attempt to halt the embarrassment that would result from his expulsion.

http://mx.noticias.yahoo.com/ireland-moving-compel-church-report-sexual-abuse-183327580.html

usernamegoes · 15-07-2011 03:08PM

No

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't see what good expelling him would do. It won't change what happened, and the Vatican will just replace him with someone else. Besides, I heard on the radio yesterday that he will be leaving soon anyway. Headed for Prague I think.

http://mx.noticias.yahoo.com/ireland-moving-compel-church-report-sexual-abuse-183327580.html

I think the point is that it would be the office that would be expelled until such a time as we wish to reinstate diplomatic relations with the Vatican. Not necessarily because of his misbehaviors

ScumLord · 15-07-2011 03:10PM

No

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't see what good expelling him would do. It won't change what happened, and the Vatican will just replace him with someone else.

I would have thought expelling the ambassador would mean your effectively expelling that office not the person.

ejmaztec · 15-07-2011 03:10PM

As he's almost called the Papal Noncio, he should feck off.

My name is URL · 15-07-2011 03:12PM

Yes, until the Vatican state agrees to respect Irish law

usernamegoes wrote: »

I think the point is that it would be the office that would be expelled until such a time as we wish to reinstate diplomatic relations with the Vatican. Not necessarily because of his misbehaviors

Ah, well in that case then sure, the office should be expelled indefinitely. I can't see it happening though.. I can only imagine that if it was a possibility then it would have already happened, or at least the question would not need to be asked.

prinz · 15-07-2011 03:14PM

No

ejmaztec wrote: »

As he's almost called the Papal Noncio, he should feck off.

Hasn't gotten any funnier since the first time you said it

Wazdakka · 15-07-2011 03:14PM

No

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't see what good expelling him would do. It won't change what happened, and the Vatican will just replace him with someone else.

I voted more for the expulsion of the position from the country, not specifically the man.

Like with a diplomat.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2011 03:14PM

No, it sets a dangerous precedent. Who's next? British ambassador?

I do like the Vatican paying compensation idea, although I think it should go directly to the victims.

prinz · 15-07-2011 03:15PM

No

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

No, it sets a dangerous precedent. Who's next? British ambassador?

Eh? The precedent is already there. He's due to be heading to Rome soon anyway to bring the Cloyne report in person. He should be travelling on a one-way ticket.

ScumLord · 15-07-2011 03:16PM

No

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

No, it sets a dangerous precedent. Who's next? British ambassador?

It doesn't set precedent, it's been done before for other countries.

My name is URL · 15-07-2011 03:17PM

Yes, until the Vatican state agrees to respect Irish law

Wazdakka wrote: »

I voted more for the expulsion of the position from the country, not specifically the man.

Like with a diplomat.

Yeah, I misunderstood the question. Expulsion of the office makes far more sense than expulsion of just the individual currently filling the role.

Seloth · 15-07-2011 03:17PM

Although I wouldnt support it...

I'd rather first see every priest expelled from Ireland than the vatican ambassador.He is a foreign representative and be he a priest or not he is still a ambassador.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2011 03:19PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It doesn't set precedent, it's been done before for other countries.

My point is, how many other ambassadors could we kick out over historical reasons?

Biggins · 15-07-2011 03:19PM

Yes, until the Vatican state agrees to respect Irish law

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

...I do like the Vatican paying compensation idea, although I think it should go directly to the victims.

So far they won't pay up what they already owe the state and as for what they have paid up, some have the hard neck to do the following: http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2010/03/03/catholic-church-asks-parishioners-to-cover-costs-of-sex-abuse-lawsuits/

usernamegoes · 15-07-2011 03:19PM

No

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

No, it sets a dangerous precedent. Who's next? British ambassador?

The precedent is well established in international public law for the expulsion of ambassadors. If the British State was involved in the same criminal acts and cover ups that the Vatican is then I would hope the same might be done, taking all other matters into consideration.

My name is URL · 15-07-2011 03:21PM

Yes, until the Vatican state agrees to respect Irish law

Seloth wrote: »

Although I wouldnt support it...

I'd rather first see every priest expelled from Ireland than the vatican ambassador.He is a foreign representative and be he a priest or not he is still a ambassador.

An ambassador for the 'country' who refused to acknowledge that anything bad was happening and who gave orders for Irish law to be ignored.

prinz · 15-07-2011 03:22PM

No

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

My point is, how many other ambassadors could we kick out over historical reasons?

It wouldn't be over historical reasons, it would be over the actions of his direct predecessor in the office of Papal Nuncio. He's welcome back when some serious action is taken.

We have expelled embassy staff over other issues.

Biggins · 15-07-2011 03:22PM

Yes, until the Vatican state agrees to respect Irish law

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

My point is, how many other ambassadors could we kick out over historical reasons?

Not kicking them out just for that - but because they won't obey the laws of the land?

ejmaztec · 15-07-2011 03:23PM

prinz wrote: »

Hasn't gotten any funnier since the first time you said it

Seloth · 15-07-2011 03:26PM

My name is URL wrote: »

An ambassador for the 'country' who refused to acknowledge that anything bad was happening and who gave orders for Irish law to be ignored.

I'd ask that he be changed but would certainly not cut off diplomatic relations with them,even if they are such a small nation.

RichieC · 15-07-2011 03:26PM

Yes, until the Vatican state agrees to respect Irish law

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

No, it sets a dangerous precedent. Who's next? British ambassador?

ahh the slippery slope... a scoundrels debate crutch.

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