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mcmoustache · 14-07-2011 04:47PM

prinz wrote: »

How many posters have been apologists for child abuse?

I think it's stretching it a bit by the other poster to say that people were defending child abuse.

On the other hand, there are plenty of people around these parts who'll defend the Holy Roman Catholic Church. This lovely institution had an internal policy from the top down regarding how to deal with allegations of sexual abuse. This policy involved moving priests around, keeping the information from the proper authorities, intimidating the abused to keep them silent and anything needed to cover up the crimes.

Again, let me stress, this was not a policy decided by just a few rogue men who dressed funny and touched kids in naughty places. This came right from the top. This was the policy of the institution itself.

With that in mind, I can't help but feel that if someone defends the Catholic Church or continues to support them, then that someone is supporting an organisation which had (and maybe still has) a strict internal policy of covering up child abuse and not seeing it as something worth punishing.

It's not quite defending child abuse but it is defending an organisation that more or less condoned it and protected its members from the authorities.

If a person is into the religious side of it but doesn't like the organisation, they should join one of the many protestant sects or try eastern orthodox or something. But for the love of God and children, please stop giving this crowd money.

prinz · 14-07-2011 04:51PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

On the other hand, there are plenty of people around these parts who'll defend the Holy Roman Catholic Church..

What about defending people who had no hand, act nor part in abusing children or covering it up from being labelled as 'pedos'?

Ghost Buster · 14-07-2011 04:54PM

prinz wrote: »

What about defending people who had no hand, act nor part in abusing children or covering it up from being labelled as 'pedos'?

Nobody has mentioned individual Priests or Nuns and seldom do. Its the institution of the RCC that is being investigated so please dont go down this "dont tar them all with the same brush" sh1te route

mcmoustache · 14-07-2011 05:13PM

prinz wrote: »

What about defending people who had no hand, act nor part in abusing children or covering it up from being labelled as 'pedos'?

I would say that defending these people from being branded 'paedos' would be quite reasonable. I'll happily attack the organisation till the cows come home but I've met plenty of good priests in my time and I wouldn't even consider accusing all clergy of being culpable.

Then again, if a bishop 'had no hand, act nor part in abusing children' but was aware of that famous edict from the big man himself and didn't speak out, I would classify him as an accessory to the covering up of child abuse. All of the bishops received it, didn't they?

RichieC · 14-07-2011 08:29PM

prinz wrote: »

You mean Irish people convicted of child abuse should be kicked out of the country, or you mean people who were never involved in child abuse or covering it up are also 'pedos' and should also be kicked out of the country?

The institution in question.

Ghost Buster · 14-07-2011 08:38PM

RichieC wrote: »

The institution in question.

It was pretty obvious...:rolleyes:

charlemont · 14-07-2011 08:48PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Just read about it now. I can't say it surprised me. We knew this sort of evil has been going on for a long time and the cover up of it. No worry for the pope though, he lives a life of luxery and can easily avoid the rule of law.

Some people here will go to the ends of the earth to protect their church, Its actually shameful, I reckon its only the tip of the iceberg, How come the Gardaí never made any attempts until recently to investigate the abuse, Brendan Smith ring a bell...The power the church had here was similar to some sort of fascist dictatorship, Interfering in all aspects of life here..The fact that people still flock there every Sunday is the biggest joke of all.

I hope to God the Pope doesnt visit here, Its all we need, Mary O Rourke and Joe Duffy types will be hero worshipping him.I am religious myself but religion comes from within, not from being told what to do by hypocrites and paedophiles.

Solnskaya · 14-07-2011 10:22PM

At this juncture, the RCC should be investigated under a form of RICO legislation. Thats a Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organisation btw, and it is appropriate, because it is now blindingly obvious that the Church appears to be little more than a paedophile ring on an international scale. For those who deny this, and I question your motives immediatly, the scale of abuse revealed is simply institutional- it seems to go from top to bottom. To my eyes, and I have long held the view, it's a collection of abusers and an organisational shield to facilitate their abuse. I would imagine that if a real investigation was launched by Interpol, between money laundering and corrupt influence, through to mass scale child abuse and its facilitation, there is a strong case to be answered. Sadly, the tentacles just go too deep and it will probably never happen. But it should.
There are also serious questions to be answered by the Gardai and the Judiciary. The treatment and follow up upon receiving a complaint by a victim should be thoroughly probed to see just how much these bodies facilitated abuse by possible collusion/lack of action/dereliction of duty. I wonder how many Judges sent defenceless children into the care of these organisations, knowing full well just what awaited them. And yet they sent more children into the care of molesters. To me, this is willful collusion and it raises far more disturbing questions.

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