Scruffy Mick and irony

Feeona · 13-07-2011 07:17PM

King of Kings wrote: »

this is sexist - if a woman TD said the same about a male TD would there be a HOOHAH. no there wouldn't.

It's not sexist. It'd be sexist if people weren't allowed to make a hoohah of the same thing happening to a male TD. Or if people were quietly made redundant because they made a hoohah. Definitely sexist then.

Me being cynical of course thinks it's a nice, neat diversion from the SNA protest that's going on today.

Feeona · 13-07-2011 07:22PM

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

Micky Wallace scored a very poor own goal with his comment, Ming's pleading innocence and the Ross Mouthall well this will haunt him. Smug gits TBH.

They were childish alright. But O'Connor is no better. Why she's paying so much attention to what they said is beyond me. She was on the radio this morning saying that they called her a pig. They didn't! She totally blew the whole thing out of proportion and is now trying to make out that their comments were a slight to women all over Ireland. If she can't handle what they said, she really shouldn't be in the public eye. Public representatives have been, will be and will always be wide open to comments, positive or otherwise.

King of Kings · 13-07-2011 07:58PM

Feeona wrote: »

It's not sexist. It'd be sexist if people weren't allowed to make a hoohah of the same thing happening to a male TD. Or if people were quietly made redundant because they made a hoohah. Definitely sexist then.

Me being cynical of course thinks it's a nice, neat diversion from the SNA protest that's going on today.

i disagree - would lisa hand have cried all over the indo this morning if a man was slagged off. NO. That's double standards and discriminatiomn against men.

although I do agree with your SNA comments and how she needs to grow a spine if she is to be a TD

Dangerous Man · 13-07-2011 08:10PM

I wish Mr Wallace didn't say this. Not because I find it offensive but because it gave that object Bacik an opportunity to open her festering word hole and spew forth more nonsense about sexism.

Dennis the Stone · 13-07-2011 08:35PM

whycliff wrote: »

Anyone else think Wallace should give them all the 2 fingers and wear a Dumb and Dumber type suit to the Dail?

In Pink though.

Hmmm.

iguana · 13-07-2011 09:32PM

mackg wrote: »

Slow news day I take it.

The day after the country's credit rating was cut to junk status? Hardly.

But this was a man clearly annoyed at workplace hypocrisy making a childish comment to his mates in order to highlight a double standard, albeit in a bitchy way. How could that not be far more important than the impact of our country's inability to borrow and the dangers this puts our currency in?

Paparazzo · 13-07-2011 10:04PM

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

Micky Wallace scored a very poor own goal with his comment, Ming's pleading innocence and the Ross Mouthall well this will haunt him. Smug gits TBH.

Ming is innocent. He didn't say anything

mikom · 13-07-2011 10:32PM

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

Micky Wallace scored a very poor own goal with his comment, Ming's pleading innocence and the Ross Mouthall well this will haunt him. Smug gits TBH.

You have heard the exchange in full?
There is no pleading about it.

Feeona · 13-07-2011 10:41PM

King of Kings wrote: »

i disagree - would lisa hand have cried all over the indo this morning if a man was slagged off. NO. That's double standards and discriminatiomn against men.

I still don't agree it's sexist or discriminating. I think a violation of someone's rights need to occur before terms like sexism and discrimination can be applied.

Double standards maybe. But both men and women were talking about this today (Ray D'Arcy as an example off the top of my head). Who's to blame for that?

iguana · 13-07-2011 10:44PM

Feeona wrote: »

I still don't agree it's sexist or discriminating. I think a violation of someone's rights need to occur before terms like sexism and discrimination can be applied.

You mean like women being allowed to wear any colours and man being limited. Even if they do the same job in the same room?

AckwelFoley · 13-07-2011 10:52PM

iguana wrote: »

You mean like women being allowed to wear any colours and man being limited. Even if they do the same job in the same room?

No, like a man dressing like he wasnt out on the tear in a gay bar the night before and suffering the death of all hangovers

If iworked in an important position such as this a little respect for the position wouldnt go a stray. He wasnt voted in for his dress sence, but i doubt he was voted in to act the bollox and make snide remarks towards others

So the common rebuttle is going to be "well FF dress well and look at them crooks" -well this gem, mr wallace has his hand firmly dipped in the problems of this country, yet seem to take the position of elected representative as a joke.

He dresses like a grub and acts like one..

Sonnenblumen · 13-07-2011 11:00PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

Ming is innocent. He didn't say anything

Ming said nothing and did nothing and for that reason which is why he is on the hook.

hondasam · 13-07-2011 11:05PM

I thought Mick only got elected as a joke or to stop someone else getting elected.
Does he only ever wear a pink shirt.

steelcityblues · 14-07-2011 12:13AM

Mitchell O'Connor had the momentum yesterday morning, but blew it as the day progressed by playing the 'poor me' angle on several media outlets.

Not quite as annoying as George Lee finding about a dozen tv/radio programmes to sulk about leaving FG, but still it didn't help her likeability level.

WindSock · 14-07-2011 12:32AM

steelcityblues wrote: »

Mitchell O'Connor had the momentum yesterday morning, but blew it as the day progressed by playing the 'poor me' angle on several media outlets.

Not quite as annoying as George Lee finding about a dozen tv/radio programmes to sulk about leaving FG, but still it didn't help her likeability level.

Yeah she had some dignity earlier about wanting to move on and forget about it. then completely changed tack and played along with it being a huge issue, when the reason the comments were made is because Mick was jealous as she can year pink and he can't. Which is a bit unfair now.

steelcityblues · 14-07-2011 12:40AM

Has Wallace been listening to this lately?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLRLhV9U0kQ

starbelgrade · 14-07-2011 01:01AM

If anyone should be insulted by the comments that Mick Wallace made, it's Miss Piggy.

Paparazzo · 14-07-2011 08:49AM

snyper wrote: »

No, like a man dressing like he wasnt out on the tear in a gay bar the night before and suffering the death of all hangovers

If iworked in an important position such as this a little respect for the position wouldnt go a stray. He wasnt voted in for his dress sence, but i doubt he was voted in to act the bollox and make snide remarks towards others

So the common rebuttle is going to be "well FF dress well and look at them crooks" -well this gem, mr wallace has his hand firmly dipped in the problems of this country, yet seem to take the position of elected representative as a joke.

He dresses like a grub and acts like one..

Wearing a suit won't make him better at his job. Walk into any bank, they'll all be wearing suits.

Ray Palmer · 14-07-2011 09:48AM

It appears she had made comments about what he wears before publicly. I think that puts a slightly different slant on it.
As for damage for woman in politics driving down the steps and dressing as she does causes more damage as far as I can see. Not a very professional look and generally people who dress like that in business are small business owners not particularly professional people.

All the people involved deserve any such comments made about them as do I for what I wear. She needs to have a thicker skin or a reality check on her dress sense.

Caught something on TV where a woman wearing leopard print and puffed up hair was going on about how it was a disgrace. That kind of feminism needs to grow up.

14-07-2011 10:17AM

Sexist or not, well I'm not sure. Undeniably childish and hurtful though. These guys should have to meet behavioural higher standards than the rest of us, given the role and status they hold.

And in fairness Wallace is in no position to mock someone elses appearance. He looks a mess.

14-07-2011 10:20AM

Paparazzo wrote: »

Wearing a suit won't make him better at his job. Walk into any bank, they'll all be wearing suits.

It's nothing to do with being better or worse at his job. Its a matter of optics, and respect for the gravitas of the role.

And what have banks got to do with it?

Dyr · 14-07-2011 10:40AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's nothing to do with being better or worse at his job. Its a matter of optics

Does he work behind a bar?

Can anyone explain why this guys clothes have anything to do with his role as a TD without resorting to using bulls**t bingo terms like "optics" and "client facing"

Ray Palmer · 14-07-2011 10:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sexist or not, well I'm not sure. Undeniably childish and hurtful though. These guys should have to meet behavioural higher standards than the rest of us, given the role and status they hold.

And in fairness Wallace is in no position to mock someone elses appearance. He looks a mess.

But it appears she said something similar about him before publicly and not among friends.
If she was upset by it then it is childish of her. Remember the amount of slagging Bertie got over his yellow jacket. She does look a state and should expect such comments

wild_cat · 14-07-2011 10:58AM

King of Kings wrote: »

this is sexist - if a woman TD said the same about a male TD would there be a HOOHAH. no there wouldn't.

Would lisa Hand hang wring and wail on the indo - would she ****!!!

Anyway Mick was right she does resemble miss piggy.

I completely agree with you. All the flack that Mick has been taking for weeks about his appearance and one all be childish remark does not deserve this much attention.

As for sexism? The woman in question is a walking gender stereotype... First day of the dail.. drives her car down a flight of steps. Off hand comment that Mary O Rourke would have laughed at and given a rebutle to... She goes crying all over the national media.

Women like her are a joke. Perhaps she doesn't realise that politics is still an old boys club in Ireland and if you want to join in you have to be able for it instead of crying like a child.

When you put yourself in the public domain you'd want to have thick enough skin. I'm actually really angry about this. I don't care for Mick Wallce or Ming. I threw Wallace a 3 preference when I voted. But all she is doing is backing up gender stereotypes and making women look bad. Ming is only under the spot light because he doesn't look "stereotypical" and as for Shane Ross? Leave that man well out of this.

Paparazzo · 14-07-2011 11:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's nothing to do with being better or worse at his job. Its a matter of optics, and respect for the gravitas of the role.

And what have banks got to do with it?

A bank is the one place I can think where everyone wears a suit. What has wearing a suit got to do with respect? There's no good reason to wear a suit, and Wallace got elected without wearing a suit. I don't see a problem with wearing normal clothes.

RichieC · 14-07-2011 11:04AM

The sniggering duo were referring to Fine Gael's Dun Laoghaire TD (left), whose vivid outfits have added a most welcome splash of colour to Leinster House.

jaysus...

wild_cat · 14-07-2011 11:06AM

RichieC wrote: »

jaysus...

Is that from the Indo article?

I'm way to angry about this whole thing to read that at this hour of the day.

Blazer · 14-07-2011 11:07AM

Wearing a suit or proper shirt/pants gains you an added level of respect from the people you're dealing with.
I see it myself as some days I wear t-shirt/jeans and other days shirt/pant and I get completely difference reactions from people.. unconsciously if they're not as well dressed they tend to respect you more and are more likely to help you.
People wearing a suit regard you as an equal etc...it's all in the unconscious..people aren't even aware of it themselves.

As for our polictians, whatever about suits but they should all be made wear shirts/tie/pants to present a better image of themselves.
Imagine someone like Wallace or Ming attending some high level finance meeting dressed like that...they'd get zero respect and damn right they shouldn't.
He can wear a pink shirt if he likes as long as it's a shirt.

RichieC · 14-07-2011 11:07AM

wild_cat wrote: »

Is that from the Indo article?

I'm way to angry about this whole thing to read that at this hour of the day.

from the OP, so I assume it is.

Paparazzo · 14-07-2011 11:25AM

Sc@recrow wrote: »

Wearing a suit or proper shirt/pants gains you an added level of respect from the people you're dealing with.
I see it myself as some days I wear t-shirt/jeans and other days shirt/pant and I get completely difference reactions from people.. unconsciously if they're not as well dressed they tend to respect you more and are more likely to help you.
People wearing a suit regard you as an equal etc...it's all in the unconscious..people aren't even aware of it themselves.

As for our polictians, whatever about suits but they should all be made wear shirts/tie/pants to present a better image of themselves.
Imagine someone like Wallace or Ming attending some high level finance meeting dressed like that...they'd get zero respect and damn right they shouldn't.
He can wear a pink shirt if he likes as long as it's a shirt.

It could also be that you feel more confident wearing a suit and that's picked up.
As Richard Branson says, "For me business is not about wearing suits"

Scruffy Mick and irony

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