Head of the IMF arrested on sexual assault charges.

tricky D · 01-07-2011 06:43PM

syklops wrote: »

Made-up in Manhattan?

efb wrote: »

Would Maid-up in Manhattan not be better, but excellent punnage!

Or add them together:

Story made up in Manhattan, by maid up in Manhattan.

Mark200 · 01-07-2011 06:51PM

I wonder if all those feminists who stood outside the court and shouted things like "rapist" are going to apologise now?

Spread · 01-07-2011 07:06PM

Mark200 wrote: »

I wonder if all those feminists who stood outside the court and shouted things like "rapist" are going to apologise now?

You gotta be kidding. Once bitter, twice more bitter. Most of this shower of wimmin are shrews. It has nothing to do with feminism and all to do with putting men down. Possibly an inverted reaction and confusion over penis envy

Yay!

Afficianodoes of the Andrea Dwokin's "all men are bastards" brigade. Go back over the posts here and you'll catch remnants of it.

JimiWonderDoor 92 · 01-07-2011 07:09PM

Mark200 wrote: »

I wonder if all those feminists who stood outside the court and shouted things like "rapist" are going to apologise now?

Many of the correspondents I heard said this wasnt the first time he was accused of this sort of thing, so still a nasty piece of work

Spread · 01-07-2011 07:13PM

JimiWonderDoor 92 wrote: »

Many of the correspondents I heard said this wasnt the first time he was accused of this sort of thing, so still a nasty piece of work

The last bright spark that made the "rutting chimpanzee" remark, did so a few years after the interview. Should be viewed with suspicion also.

LeeHoffmann · 01-07-2011 07:21PM

I wonder if all those feminists who stood outside the court and shouted things like "rapist" are going to apologise now?

hope so. hope the non-feminists who vilified him on here will too

It has nothing to do with feminism and all to do with putting men down. Possibly an inverted reaction and confusion over penis envy Yay!

what are you on about?

Spread · 01-07-2011 07:26PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

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what are you on about?

Met a lot of happy and contented wimmin, have you?

Cathaoirleach · 01-07-2011 07:28PM

When the victim walked into that suite she did so for one reason and that was to clean that suite. She was told no one was inside that room. She went into that room believing [that] and then Strauss-Kahn came running out of one of those rooms naked towards her and he grabbed her breasts first and started to attack her. He then grabbed her vagina with so much force that he hurt her ... that he bruised her vagina. When she went to the hospital later that day the nurses saw the bruises that were caused by Dominique Strauss-Kahn's hands and the DA has those pictures ...
When Dominique Strauss-Kahn threw the victim to the floor he tore a ligament in her shoulder. She may now need surgery for the damage he caused to her shoulder ...
He also ripped her stockings and the DA knows that.
When she was fighting to get away, when she was on her knees and he was sexually assaulting her, after he'd finished she got up and ran for thew door and started spitting Dominique Strauss-Kahn's semen out all over that hotel room. She spit it on the wall and the floor.
The hotel staff and police saw that she had done that, he says.
The medical and forensic evidence supports her account, he says. She was taken to the hospital in an ambulance. A grand jury has already found her account credible.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/jul/01/dominique-strauss-kahn-in-court

later12 · 01-07-2011 07:34PM

Cathaoirleach wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/jul/01/dominique-strauss-kahn-in-court

A little misleading of you not to mention that those are the words of the alleged victim's lawyer, I would have thought.

CNN have reported that after this ordeal, the woman cleaned two rooms.

LeeHoffmann · 01-07-2011 07:48PM

Met a lot of happy and contented wimmin, have you?

what???

PK2008 · 01-07-2011 07:52PM

Case is falling apart- heads are gonna roll...

efb · 01-07-2011 11:45PM

Not since Deirdre Racheed's incarceration, has there being a gross miscarriage of Justice than that that has befallen Dominic Strauss Khan

HerrScheisse · 01-07-2011 11:49PM

Why did he deny any contact in the beginning then? His story changed to consensual several days later.

Logical Fallacy · 01-07-2011 11:53PM

HerrScheisse wrote: »

Why did he deny any contact in the beginning then? His story changed to consensual several days later.

Probably the same reason she said she hid until he left when she actually cleaned some rooms including the one she would later claim to be raped in.

Just two liars doing what they do.

HerrScheisse · 02-07-2011 12:32AM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Probably the same reason she said she hid until he left when she actually cleaned some rooms including the one she would later claim to be raped in.

Just two liars doing what they do.

Well best unearth his nature in the court now before he becomes the next French President.

efb · 02-07-2011 12:35AM

HerrScheisse wrote: »

Well best unearth his nature in the court now before he becomes the next French President.

The current one would have needed to stand on a stool.

HerrScheisse · 02-07-2011 12:43AM

He has lifts!

Einhard · 02-07-2011 02:06AM

Eh, just to point out that he hasn't been declared innocent or guilty yet, and all the charges are still pending against him, so it's a tad premature to start claiming him innocent of all charges. Just because this woman has credibility issues, doesn't mean she wasn't raped. I'm not saying that she was, only that we don't know either way, so maybe we should stop pre-empting the actual trial, or dismissal.

02-07-2011 08:35AM

I'd rather jump on the innocent bandwagon than the guilty bandwagon.

The fact she was talking to someone about the financial rewards beforehand brings her credibility down to zero.

southsiderosie · 02-07-2011 09:46AM

later10 wrote: »

What do you mean shielded by their political system? What has that got to do with criminal charges? Examples?

Jacques Chirac and the corruption issues from when he was mayor of Paris.

If you want to have a debate about the desirability of the American media's approach to politicians, that is a different issue altogether. But I don't think it's even remotely questionable to say that the French media shields the political elite to an extent that would be unthinkable in the US.

Einhard · 02-07-2011 11:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd rather jump on the innocent bandwagon than the guilty bandwagon.

The fact she was talking to someone about the financial rewards beforehand brings her credibility down to zero.

Why jump on either?

drkpower · 02-07-2011 11:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The fact she was talking to someone about the financial rewards beforehand brings her credibility down to zero.

No it doesnt. It is her inconsistencies and lies that have caused the credibility concerns.

Millions of people worldwide succcesfully claim financial compensation for criminal and non-criminal acts; how do they succeed when, in your view, their credibility is zero?

02-07-2011 09:24PM

Einhard wrote: »

Why jump on either?

Because the media do... I may as well do the same.

drkpower wrote: »

No it doesnt. It is her inconsistencies and lies that have caused the credibility concerns.

Millions of people worldwide succcesfully claim financial compensation for criminal and non-criminal acts; how do they succeed when, in your view, their credibility is zero?

I think there's a misunderstanding either between us or between myself and the story... I read that she was talking about financial rewards before the alleged act happened. If that's the case, I count her credibility as zero. If that's not what happened, then I have no point here.
Your second paragraph doesn't tie in with my views at all so there has to be a misunderstanding.

Logical Fallacy · 02-07-2011 10:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think there's a misunderstanding either between us or between myself and the story... I read that she was talking about financial rewards before the alleged act happened. If that's the case, I count her credibility as zero. If that's not what happened, then I have no point here.
Your second paragraph doesn't tie in with my views at all so there has to be a misunderstanding.

The phone call about money was the day after....to a dude who was in jail for drug dealing.

She also had deposits into her account for about 100,000 dollars in the previous two years.

Not bad for a maid.

drkpower · 03-07-2011 12:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think there's a misunderstanding either between us or between myself and the story... I read that she was talking about financial rewards before the alleged act happened. If that's the case, I count her credibility as zero. If that's not what happened, then I have no point here.
Your second paragraph doesn't tie in with my views at all so there has to be a misunderstanding.

I think the phone call re: financial rewards was after the allleged assault.

later12 · 03-07-2011 12:52PM

southsiderosie wrote: »

I don't think it's even remotely questionable to say that the French media shields the political elite to an extent that would be unthinkable in the US.

Unthinkable?

http://www.justice.gov/olc/sitting_president.htm

Read your history. US Presidents have been given immunity from prosecution whilst holding office, just as the French President would be, and just like DSK can be, in certain situations, on US territory.

Quite apart from that, what I am asking you to show was how the French political system shields its politicians - which is what you have suggested occurs.

southsiderosie · 03-07-2011 04:41PM

later10 wrote: »

Unthinkable?

http://www.justice.gov/olc/sitting_president.htm

Read your history. US Presidents have been given immunity from prosecution whilst holding office, just as the French President would be, and just like DSK can be, in certain situations, on US territory.

Quite apart from that, what I am asking you to show was how the French political system shields its politicians - which is what you have suggested occurs.

Did you miss the outpouring of articles after the DSK case broke about the law of omerta between elected officials, bureaucrats and the French press? There is a huge internal debate about this right now in France, and it is something that the international media has commented on extensively.

Honestly, this key difference in political culture between the US and France isn't really debatable - the French think the Americans are ridiculous in this regard, and vice-versa. The French political press corps does not have a 'Woodward and Bernstein'-type approach (i.e. a political media culture of digging out corruption and bringing down elected officials), and they do not delve into the personal foibles of the political elite. While the latter may be admirable, the former is more problematic.

later12 · 03-07-2011 06:22PM

Ok I can't help but think you might be missing the point, and your replies aren't helping.

How does the political system in France shield its politicians? I am assuming you understand the difference between the media - who shy away from the vulgarity of their American counterparts - and the political system.

The original quote

Originally Posted by southsiderosie
Two US presidents have been impeached, several Illinois and Louisiana governors have been tried and jailed (along with some Congressional officials), the list goes on and on...French officials are far more shielded by their political system and the media than American officials are.

southsiderosie · 03-07-2011 06:54PM

later10 wrote: »

Ok I can't help but think you might be missing the point, and your replies aren't helping.

How does the political system in France shield its politicians? I am assuming you understand the difference between the media - who shy away from the vulgarity of their American counterparts - and the political system.

The original quote

I see the media as part of a political system - i.e. something that has a number of moving parts, rather than a stand-alone entity - which is why I said 'the system' and not 'politicians'.

Again, there has been extensive media coverage on this aspect of French political culture, so I don't understand why you are being so persnickety here.

later12 · 03-07-2011 07:19PM

I think you are exaggerating the level with which this is being covered in France, but I'm not particularly concerned about that. Nor am I denying that the French media have been sympathetic to DSK, nor that they generally shy away from Americanisms.

If that is what you understand political system to mean - which strikes me a bit like trying to re-invent the wheel, it being something of an outlandish interpretation of political system - why then did you say ''the political system and the media''?

I have been asking you specifically about the political system, although I'm not holding my breath for an answer, because of course the suggestion is totally wrong.

Head of the IMF arrested on sexual assault charges.

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