We're the most prolific in Europe for making babies

RainbowRose81 · 01-07-2011 10:02PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Nah.. all that's needed is a couple of people and 15 minutes

Well in my opinion its better to have things in place practically before bringing a child in to the world but its not as easy as that though for everyone.

syklops · 01-07-2011 10:03PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

There's riding like rabbits but there's little excuse for creating a child that you can't afford.

BTW, Accidents happen and all that, so not being inconsiderate to anyone who's been careful and still got caught, but my point is that accidents wouldn't account for a countrywide statistic.

It would if they all went "Hey you know, we could get an extra 35 euros a week, if we had a baby, that would pay for the Sky+!"

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 01-07-2011 10:03PM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well in my opinion its better to have things in place practically before bringing a child in to the world but its not as easy as that though for everyone.

i think if two people who are drunk in a pub/club and fall in love thats last thing on their mind

General General · 01-07-2011 10:12PM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Thats a a very messed up thing to say. How do you know I don't have children or how do you know I wont have. Would you tell that to some who couldn't have children?

1. You list a series of preconditions for having children as if you are an authority on the subject. 2. You comment on how phased you are by either the list or by people not meeting the preconditions. 3. Some other stuff.

I doubt that you will reproduce given your own set of preconditions for doing so & the fact that you came up with such a list & the fact that you seem completely lacking awareness that it's just your own wish list & the fact that you are so easily tired & depressed... plus the fact that you so easily jump to whining about how messed up something that was said to you in AH is...

The immense stupidity of your precondition of owning a car alone is enough for me to wonder how natural selection let you through the gates to this world.

On topic, given the population decline figures in the EU, this birth rate boom isn't a bad thing.

What's a bad thing is not learning two or three European languages of some business importance, not developing a knowledge of Mathematics & IT, plus lacking the skills/aspiration to become self employed.

RainbowRose81 · 01-07-2011 10:14PM

Vera Wailing Transparency wrote: »

i think if two people who are drunk in a pub/club and fall in love thats last thing on their mind

Well if they want to have a baby that's okay.

later12 · 01-07-2011 10:17PM

Not necessarily surprising that we have the highest natural rate of change in Europe, after all we have the youngest age profile in Europe. The median age in Ireland is a mere 34 years.

I would imagine that is slightly more relevant than the recession, if anything families might be more likely to put off having children during a recession.

And the research does not show that the Irish are the most prolific in Europe. I am not sure if that is the case, it may be, but that is not what is shown here.

alex73 · 01-07-2011 10:17PM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

I am not wrong. What do you think i am an dog or cat having litters of kittens? People are not born to reproduce like animals. If i am physically strong enough and able to have one child in the future i would be happy. Most Irish women can reproduce like anything but not all of them and certainly not me. That is really very greedy and sad that some women only aspire to do nothing with their lives but reproduce by having a lot of babies, how would they have the time, energy and support for all of that and some women are struggling to just have one.
I don't want to live on welfare all my life what kind of life is that. There is a good chance you will get a poor council house or estate where there can be a lot of social problems.

My comment was a bit T&C. Not matter how much money you have,, lots of children can be draining on a women if there is no support.

Personally I think 3 is my max... certainly my wife will NOT have anymore. (#3 was a surprise but she is not sorry)_

Boxoffrogs · 01-07-2011 10:21PM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

I don't know how non weathly people can keep having children or even have one child.

Because first of all you need to be very healthy to have a baby. Secondly you suitable, dependable and supportive boyfriend/partner Third, you need a stable, secure good paying job with an understanding employer. Fourth, you need a live a house or a spacious apartment. Fifth, you need to have a car, Sixth, you need a bit of support network like people/family around you to help you. Seventh, if you don't have anyone to help you out you have to pay alot for child care. Eighth, you need a lot of energy you to have the energy and the time for a baby if you are working five days a week 45 hours a week. Thinking about all of that makes me very tired and depressed. Well the cenus indicates the growth in poplulation is the highest in europe so most people here are financially okay or otherwise to be able to have children.

:rolleyes:

Actually, you just need a vagina

RainbowRose81 · 01-07-2011 10:32PM

General General wrote: »

1. You list a series of preconditions for having children as if you are an authority on the subject. 2. You comment on how phased you are by either the list or by people not meeting the preconditions. 3. Some other stuff.

I doubt that you will reproduce given your own set of preconditions for doing so & the fact that you came up with such a list & the fact that you seem completely lacking awareness that it's just your own wish list & the fact that you are so easily tired & depressed... plus the fact that you so easily jump to whining about how messed up something that was said to you in AH is...

The immense stupidity of your precondition of owning a car alone is enough for me to wonder how natural selection let you through the gates to this world.

On topic, given the population decline figures in the EU, this birth rate boom isn't a bad thing.

What's a bad thing is not learning two or three European languages of some business importance, not developing a knowledge of Mathematics & IT, plus lacking the skills/aspiration to become self employed.

Well if you happen to become pregnant and your boyfriend/partner left you. You have health problems, You have no job, no prospects, on welfare and living in a little bedsit and you don't have any friend or much of a family. How are you cope? How would you be able to buy the necessary things a baby needs like a buggy and that and you don't drive or even have a car, how on earth would you cope?

Some people do not have actually anything or anyone at all. So stop being hateful at the pre-conditions. I didn't say they are all necessary but most people have one of two of them circumstances in general and there are few not very hard isolated circumstances like the ones as I described above.

The immense stupidity of your precondition of owning a car alone is enough for me to wonder how natural selection let you through the gates to this world. - thats hateful thing to say.
A car would be necessary if you are not wealthy,how can you afford taxis and rely on buses to bring your baby to the hospital or to even move to a more suitable place.

RainbowRose81 · 01-07-2011 10:37PM

General General wrote: »

1. You list a series of preconditions for having children as if you are an authority on the subject. 2. You comment on how phased you are by either the list or by people not meeting the preconditions. 3. Some other stuff.

I doubt that you will reproduce given your own set of preconditions for doing so & the fact that you came up with such a list & the fact that you seem completely lacking awareness that it's just your own wish list & the fact that you are so easily tired & depressed... plus the fact that you so easily jump to whining about how messed up something that was said to you in AH is...

The immense stupidity of your precondition of owning a car alone is enough for me to wonder how natural selection let you through the gates to this world.

On topic, given the population decline figures in the EU, this birth rate boom isn't a bad thing.

What's a bad thing is not learning two or three European languages of some business importance, not developing a knowledge of Mathematics & IT, plus lacking the skills/aspiration to become self employed.

You are ignorant and don't see things in presceptive

KeithM89_old · 01-07-2011 10:48PM

General General wrote: »

Don't worry, you'll be dead soon.. & I doubt you'll be leaving any descendants after you.

General General wrote: »

I doubt that you will reproduce given your own set of preconditions for doing so & the fact that you came up with such a list & the fact that you seem completely lacking awareness that it's just your own wish list & the fact that you are so easily tired & depressed... plus the fact that you so easily jump to whining about how messed up something that was said to you in AH is...

The immense stupidity of your precondition of owning a car alone is enough for me to wonder how natural selection let you through the gates to this world.

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

You are ignorant and don't see things in presceptive

Careful now...

General General · 01-07-2011 10:50PM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well if you happen to become pregnant and your boyfriend/partner left you. You have health problems, You have no job, no prospects, on welfare and living in a little bedsit and you don't have any friend or much of a family. How are you cope? How would you be able to buy the necessary things a baby needs like a buggy and that and you don't drive or even have a car, how on earth would you cope?

Some people do not have actually anything or anyone at all. So stop being hateful at the pre-conditions. I didn't say they are all necessary but most people have one of two of them circumstances in general and there are few not very hard isolated circumstances like the ones as I described above.

The immense stupidity of your precondition of owning a car alone is enough for me to wonder how natural selection let you through the gates to this world. - thats hateful thing to say.
A car would be necessary if you are not wealthy,how can you afford taxis and rely on buses to bring your baby to the hospital or to even move to a more suitable place.

I didn't realize that the list of conditions you set out was a kind of list of conditions that may or may not in fact be necessary. I feel somewhat less ashamed about this than I would be if you'd used the word 'or' between each of them & indeed than I would be if you hadn't used the words; firstly, secondly & so on...

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

You are ignorant and don't see things in presceptive

Thank you for that personal insult & damning indictment of my person.

I am sure you won't want to waste any more of your time debating with me.

booboo88 · 01-07-2011 10:55PM

FesterBeatty wrote: »

Nick nack Paddilack leave our jobs alone!

as cruel as that was, very funny

ricman · 01-07-2011 10:57PM

i think we have the highest welfare rates for mothers, people with 3 kids get more than the average wage, and sex education in many schools is not a high priority.Is this a coincidence ,or is it we just have a young population.IN some areas 16 year old girls are having kids.And of course abortion is not readily avaidable in ireland.Most single mothers get help from family and friends.

pragmatic1 · 01-07-2011 11:02PM

Good. We need kids to pay for my pension.

pragmatic1 · 01-07-2011 11:04PM

ricman wrote: »

i think we have the highest welfare rates for mothers, people with 3 kids get more than the average wage, and sex education in many schools is not a high priority.Is this a coincidence ,or is it we just have a young population.IN some areas 16 year old girls are having kids.And of course abortion is not readily avaidable in ireland.Most single mothers get help from family and friends.

16 year old girls are having kids everywhere. Have been since I was in secondary school.

suicide_circus · 01-07-2011 11:13PM

stevejr wrote: »

Has there ever been a yes answer to that question?

Ask yer ould wan

RainbowRose81 · 01-07-2011 11:25PM

KeithM89 wrote: »

Careful now...

What do you mean? What are you getting at me for? Did you see what he said to me? He said he is surprised i was born naturally I said he is ignornant because that is obviously an ignorant thing and actually also hateful thing to say to anyone

ejmaztec · 01-07-2011 11:27PM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

You are ignorant and don't see things in presceptive

Is that in Wales?

stevejr · 01-07-2011 11:29PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ask yer ould wan

Think I'll ask yours,..she should be waking up any minute now...

suicide_circus · 01-07-2011 11:32PM

stevejr wrote: »

Think I'll ask yours,..she should be waking up any minute now...

Ooooh good one!......NOT!!

Whassssssssuuuupp!!!??!!

RainbowRose81 · 01-07-2011 11:32PM

General General wrote: »

I didn't realize that the list of conditions you set out was a kind of list of conditions that may or may not in fact be necessary. I feel somewhat less ashamed about this than I would be if you'd used the word 'or' between each of them & indeed than I would be if you hadn't used the words; firstly, secondly & so on...

Thank you for that personal insult & damning indictment of my person.

I am sure you won't want to waste any more of your time debating with me.

Well i was replying in responce to what you said to be that you are surprised i was selected to be born at all as he said 'for natural selection'. That is a hateful and ignorant thing to say to another person, probably a major insult as you would put it 'personal insult and damning indictment' to say to anyone you are surprised that I were born at all. Hey, everyone has the right to live and be born!!!

KeithM89_old · 01-07-2011 11:37PM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

What do you mean? What are you getting at me for? Did you see what he said to me? He said he is surprised i was born naturally I said he is ignornant because that is obviously an ignorant thing and actually also hateful thing to say to anyone

In future PM a mod instead of asking on thread, thanks.

stevejr · 01-07-2011 11:38PM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Hey, everyone has the right to live and be born!!!

As long as thier parents have an acceptable lifestyle eh Rose?

later12 · 01-07-2011 11:40PM

ricman wrote: »

i think we have the highest welfare rates for mothers, people with 3 kids get more than the average wage

Lets see.

A mother with 3 children earns

1 x OPFP = €188
3 X 29.90 = €89.40
Fuel allowance (/52) = €12.30
Smokeless fuel allowance (where app, /52) = €2.40
Max rent allowance = €248

Total income = €580

€580 x 52 = €30,160*

Average industrial wage gross = €35,077
Net wage = €30,308

*figure presumes that claimant is entitled to the maximum available rent assistance in the Republic of Ireland, as well as being entitled to full fuel aid.

Income derived from child benefit not counted, as this applies both to those in the labour force, and social welfare recipients.

So the wages are pretty similar in both cases. However, one must also take into account that low wage earners may be eligible for payment supports such as public housing as well as Family Income Support - therefore if that is the case, then all things considered, the wage earner will still be financially better off.

Abi · 01-07-2011 11:42PM

Eww. Babies.

saa · 01-07-2011 11:42PM

Simple just send the mothers to work houses, they look after their babies their pay their own way and then when the little fellow can walk they pay their own way as well shure child labour never hurt anyone.

Shure it worked before di'ent it!

IMO instead of tutting about how people shouldnt be having children why not put your energy into coming up with ways of reducing welfare dependency,

RainbowRose81 · 01-07-2011 11:44PM

stevejr wrote: »

As long as thier parents have an acceptable lifestyle eh Rose?

Well there is always a way I would believe. There is fate and divine intervention

stevejr · 01-07-2011 11:47PM

later10 wrote: »

Lets see.

A mother with 3 children earns

1 x OPFP = €188
3 X 29.90 = €89.40
Fuel allowance (/52) = €12.30
Smokeless fuel allowance (where app, /52) = €2.40
Max rent allowance = €248

Total income = €580

€580 x 52 = €30,160*

Average industrial wage = €35,077

*figure presumes that claimant is entitled to the maximum available rent assistance in the Republic of Ireland, as well as being entitled to full fuel aid.

Income derived from child benefit not counted, as this applies both to those in the labour force, and social welfare recipients.

You seem to know your stuff.

And does the hightlighted text imply that the Mother with three children on average receive even less than this?

saa · 01-07-2011 11:47PM

later10 wrote: »

Lets see.

A mother with 3 children earns

Total income = €580
.

Ah now why did I instantly assume that was montly income from benefits, That's not poverty, it worries me how much benefit is going to have to go in the coming years. But yet it saddens me that it doesnt seem to be a welfare system where people get just what they need to get by but because of the red tape some people who know how to work the system just end up getting what they want and others are left out.

Funny how you can sit on your sofa (something I cant even afford atm ) and get so many benefits for life and someone who goes to college or becomes self employed can be in a much worse position

We're the most prolific in Europe for making babies

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