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Challenging My Moral Beliefs

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  • #32
    kingtut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭kingtut


    slum dog wrote: »
    technically she was willing to depart withe the 90 quid anyway. she got her phone, the shop got its money and i got a discount!

    If your friend did not need the phone then you would not have been in the shop and you would have no discount. Look at it the other way, if someone did it to you would you like it (assuming you found out about it) ? I'd be pissed!!
    RedXIV wrote: »
    Technically, and I stress this, its not his friends money. Had the process been carried out by the friend, they would have paid full whack. technically its the companies money he's taken but even still, to earn the discount, it would imply he's providing a service to the company he made the purchase from which would imply he's "earned" the discount.

    It is his friends money! Always was always will be!

    OP - What was the reason for you getting the discount, are you a regular? Would your friend have received the same discount?


  • #33
    BBDBB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    slum dog wrote: »
    the idea had been lingering in my mind for quite a while now, and just had to find the courage within to go through with it.
    been a nice guy in life gets you nowhere. its a dog eat dog world out there


    are you writing these from your secret volcano lair?


  • #34
    slum dog
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    kingtut wrote: »
    If your friend did not need the phone then you would not have been in the shop and you would have no discount. Look at it the other way, if someone did it to you would you like it (assuming you found out about it) ? I'd be pissed!!



    It is his friends money! Always was always will be!

    OP - What was the reason for you getting the discount, are you a regular? Would your friend have received the same discount?

    i honestly dont know but Im assuming they knew I was buying the phone for my friend and this maybe the reason why...


  • #35
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    slum dog wrote: »
    i honestly dont know but Im assuming they knew I was buying the phone for my friend and this maybe the reason why...

    So you did steal the money then.


  • #36
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    slum dog wrote: »
    its a dog eat dog world out there

    Just wait until you move out. It gets worse.


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  • #37
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    I you had purchased the phone with your own money at the discounted price and then sold it on to your friend at the retail price then that is fine. You purchased and resold it for a profit.

    However, I suspect your friend gave you money and asked you to buy the phone. You purchased the phone at a discounted price with her money and pocketed the extra. You stole it.

    If she believed the price to be E120 but was in fact only E90 would you have pocketed the extra? It's the same thing regardless if the discount was only for you, it was not your money to decide to keep.

    You did not purchase anything, it was not your money. You lied to your friend (albeit through omission) and stole their money. You are not a good friend, there is no moral justification as far as I can see.


  • #38
    slum dog
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    Seachmall wrote: »
    I you had purchased the phone with your own money at the discounted price and then sold it on to your friend at the retail price then that is fine. You purchased and resold it for a profit.

    However, I suspect your friend gave you money and asked you to buy the phone. You purchased the phone at a discounted price with her money and pocketed the extra. You stole it.

    If your friend believed the price to be E90 but when you went in they were holding a sale and purchased it for E60 there is no moral justification for keeping the extra E30.

    You did not purchase anything, it was not your money. You lied to your friend (albeit through omission) and stole their money. You are not a good friend, there is no moral justification as far as I can see.

    moral justification? what is this you speak of?


  • #39
    Orando Broom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    STOP HIM!!! He's thieving the internets!!!!

    OP for what it's worth I think your story is bollox. Man up and have the moral courage to tell the truth. You never did that. You thought about it but didn't.


  • #40
    mackg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    If I was your friend and you gave me back the 30e and told me what happened I would have brought us to the pub for a pint or two and a game of pool with the money...since you kept the money you should do the same.


  • #41
    Captain Darling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    I was expecting some philosophical debate on the moral belief systems in society today. A stirring, engaging questioning of our values contrasted with those of different cultures.

    What did i get? Some jam rag shafting their mate out of a few sheckels.


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  • #42
    slum dog
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    Captain Darling wrote: »
    I was expecting some philosophical debate on the moral belief systems in society today. A stirring, engaging questioning of our values contrasted with those of different cultures.

    What did i get? Some jam rag shafting their mate out of a few sheckels.

    funny you say that considering your background


  • #43
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    OP - here's a suggestion, why don't you change your username from Slum dog to Scum dog. It certainly seems more appropriate for you.


  • #44
    Captain Darling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    slum dog wrote: »
    funny you say that considering your background

    I always get my pound of flesh. :cool:


  • #45
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I favour the evolutionary hypothesis: the idea that immoral thieves in previous generations would have the crap kicked out of them. If they continued to be dicks, they would be, to put it politely, emasculated, this assuring that their dickishness would not pollute future generations of humanity. Killing them would do the job too, of course.

    The point being: if you want to survive and breed, in a society, you need to co-operate and not screw over your fellow man. Now, if only we could enforce that, somehow ...

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • #46
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,369 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    slum dog wrote: »
    Yesterday I decided I would challeng my moral beliefs.

    It sounds like you did not challenge them, you broke them. That is a different thing.
    slum dog wrote: »
    This for me raises alot of questions. Where do our moral beliefs come from?

    This link here might help you further, its something I wrote some time ago.


  • #47
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    bnt wrote: »
    If they continued to be dicks, they would be, to put it politely, emasculated, this assuring that their dickishness would not pollute future generations of humanity.

    I know women don't have dicks, but I'm pretty sure they can be dicks, so what was their punishment of the time?


  • #48
    slum dog
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    bnt wrote: »
    I favour the evolutionary hypothesis: the idea that immoral thieves in previous generations would have the crap kicked out of them. If they continued to be dicks, they would be, to put it politely, emasculated, this assuring that their dickishness would not pollute future generations of humanity. Killing them would do the job too, of course.

    The point being: if you want to survive and breed, in a society, you need to co-operate and not screw over your fellow man. Now, if only we could enforce that, somehow ...

    you can also survive and breed through deception


  • #49
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    So how did you get the discount? Does your using the discount now prevent you from availing of the same discount were you to purchase a phone for yourself later?

    Actually forget that - what we all want to know is the details of the argument? Was there hair pulled? Did she get banned from the shop? Did you get pictures?


  • #50
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    I know women don't have dicks, but I'm pretty sure they can be dicks, so what was their punishment of the time?

    Rape.

    Not joking, it was quite likely the punishment. I can't imagine anything else more demeaning than rape.


  • #51
    endabob1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭endabob1


    It's clearly made up, op destroyed the receipt, yeah here's 90 quid for a phone but don't worry about bringing me the receipt because nothing could ever go wrong with it


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  • #52
    slum dog
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    pickarooney wrote: »
    So how did you get the discount? Does your using the discount now prevent you from availing of the same discount were you to purchase a phone for yourself later?

    Actually forget that - what we all want to know is the details of the argument? Was there hair pulled? Did she get banned from the shop? Did you get pictures?

    when she went in to buy the phone, she didnt like the phonenumber sequence which was issued to her so she requested a phone which would have an 'easier' number to remember. this caused an argument and she walked out. thats her side of the story anyway
    endabob1 wrote: »
    It's clearly made up, op destroyed the receipt, yeah here's 90 quid for a phone but don't worry about bringing me the receipt because nothing could ever go wrong with it

    ya its clearly made up; how could anyone be that dumb and not ask for the receipt


  • #53
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    slum dog wrote: »
    no i destroyed it before she could find out

    And what if she has a problem with the phone and has to return it??


  • #54
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    If she finds out it will be a very ****y 30 euro.

    Ill gotten gains are never lucky


  • #55
    danslevent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭danslevent


    No matter what you twist and turn this, you stole from your friend.


  • #56
    slum dog
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    And what if she has a problem with the phone and has to return it??

    i can always say i left it in the bag when i bought it. her problem not mine.
    snyper wrote: »

    Ill gotten gains are never lucky

    how so?


  • #57
    danslevent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭danslevent


    slum dog wrote: »
    i can always say i left it in the bag when i bought it. her problem not mine.


    You seem like a right little pri.ck.


  • #58
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    slum dog wrote: »
    i can always say i left it in the bag when i bought it. her problem not mine.



    how so?

    karma.


  • #59
    slum dog
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    snyper wrote: »
    karma.

    what comes around goes around anyway. fortune isnt governed by past actions


  • #60
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    slum dog wrote: »
    when she went in to buy the phone, she didnt like the phonenumber sequence which was issued to her so she requested a phone which would have an 'easier' number to remember. this caused an argument and she walked out. thats her side of the story anyway

    But she's not the one who'll be "remembering" the number!

    Personally I'd probably have split the difference with the friend; she had agreed how much the phone was "worth" to her, and you availed of your discount - it wasn't her discount.

    If you'd said "I'll get you the phone and you can pay me then", and THEN found out that it was cheaper and told her it had cost the full price, THEN it'd be a moral dilemma.

    But she'd agreed how much she was going to pay. And you've scuttled any chance of getting a discount from the phone company for the next 12 - 24 months.

    So to me, splitting the difference would be fair.


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  • #61
    metalfest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭metalfest


    Liam Byrne wrote: »

    But she'd agreed how much she was going to pay. And you've scuttled any chance of getting a discount from the phone company for the next 12 - 24 months.

    Agree with your post, but I don't think you could set up a bill pay contract in someone else's name, just a ready to go phone I assume.


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