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Members of the travelling community with jobs?

  • 30-06-2011 01:14PM
    #1
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭


    Now I dont want this to be a hate thread so no traveller bashing1

    But has anybody ever see a traveller with a propper tax paying job?

    I did once - lovely fella, he was a gay hairdresser and did loads of charity work with a suicide charity cause, i didnt know but there is a high suicide rate amongst gay men in the travelling community.

    So have you ever walked into a shop or other places of employment and seen a traveller?


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  • #2
    flutterflye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    How would I know?

    Would they be wearing a sign around their neck that reads "I am a traveler"?


  • #3
    Assassin saphir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Assassin saphir


    yes, i used to work with a girl who is from the travelling community...hardest working person i ever met.


  • #4
    Soups123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Soups123


    I'm sure there are plenty working and paying tax, maybe not in city centre dublin but around the country. There are plenty I'm sure not like there are in the settled community


  • #5
    Dan133269
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Dan133269


    No. Never.


  • #6
    FatherLen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭FatherLen


    this is going to become a traveller bashing thread. it is inevitable.


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  • #7
    Soups123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Soups123


    flutterflye wrote: »
    How would I know?

    Would they be wearing a sign around their neck that reads "I am a traveler"?


    Nope probably just a sign saying 'this is not a tax paying job'


  • #8
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Thank god this thread isnt one of those usual ones tarring their driveways with the same brush.




    fnarr


  • #9
    Wantobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Wantobe


    flutterflye wrote: »

    Would they be wearing a sign around their neck that reads "I am a traveler"?

    Yeah, think that is an actual H&S requirement.:rolleyes:

    But yes, I have known members of the travelling community who in normal jobs. Two that I can think of straight away, maybe more.


  • #10
    Soups123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭Soups123


    FatherLen wrote: »
    this is going to become a traveller bashing thread. it is inevitable.


    Agree. I'm dropping out of this one before they come in to defend!


  • #11
    robman60
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭robman60


    I've seen a few, but I mean very few. The government benefits are too appealing to people who couldn't be arsed to work, I think.


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  • #12
    flutterflye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    Wantobe wrote: »
    Yeah, think that is an actual H&S requirement.:rolleyes:

    But yes, I have known members of the travelling community who in normal jobs. Two that I can think of straight away, maybe more.

    Obviously I mean- how do you tell if someone is a traveler?

    Anyone could be a traveler, and you might never know unless it came up in conversation.


  • #13
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Ah wasnt dat Einstein fella a pavee?

    Someone said he wuz a hell of a tinker.


  • #14
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Actually i know another guy who was a traveler and joined the army when he was young - he now runs a succesful security company - lovely lad too would do anything for you


  • #15
    Dan133269
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Dan133269


    robman60 wrote: »
    I've seen a few, but I mean very few. The government benefits are too appealing to people who couldn't be arsed to work, I think.

    I doubt that the package of social benefits is the reason to influence their lack of a work ethic!


  • #16
    Wantobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Wantobe


    flutterflye wrote: »
    how do you tell if someone is a traveler?

    Small towns know everyone and everything. Could tell you what they had for breakfast if you really wanted to know.;)


  • #17
    Cat Melodeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Cat Melodeon


    I've worked with plenty of Travellers down the years, mostly women, mostly in community or educational settings (the areas I work in). I also know a lad working for a plumbing firm and a guy working down in the creamery. I'm sure there are more but it's not as if I ask everyone I meet whether they are a Traveller or not. Nor can I say whether they are fully tax compliant, it's not the kind of thing that crops up in conversation, and I do live in Lowryland so most folks hereabouts avoid that topic altogether.


  • #18
    lonsdale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13 ✭lonsdale


    Jumpy wrote: »
    Thank god this thread isnt one of those usual ones tarring their driveways with the same brush.




    fnarr

    Take a bow son, very amusing.


  • #19
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    If you aren't traveling, are you still a Traveler? I'm not being (totally) facetious, it's a serious question from a foreigner. Just what defines someone as a Traveler, if not the itinerant lifestyle? Race? Tribe? Language?

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • #20
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    I never have but this does not mean none of them work. I'm sure more of them would like to work, but lets face it, few employers would be willing to hire them.

    Which is wrong in my book. If they are willing to work, let them do so.


  • #21
    iPlop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I never have but this does not mean none of them work. I'm sure more of them would like to work, but lets face it, few employers would be willing to hire them.

    Which is wrong in my book. If they are willing to work, let them do so.


    I used to work with a very talented electronics engineer that came from a traveller backround, her mother and father settled about 35 years ago and as a result herself and her brothers went to school and successfully integrated into society.Now she's a highly paid engineer in a large multinational.


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  • #22
    Kevin Duffy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    Yes, quite a few and I wouldn't be well up on the subject so I'd imagine I'm on the low side.


  • #23
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    bnt wrote: »
    If you aren't traveling, are you still a Traveler? I'm not being (totally) facetious, it's a serious question from a foreigner. Just what defines someone as a Traveler, if not the itinerant lifestyle? Race? Tribe? Language?
    Most "Travellers" live in a mobile home that has no wheels, on land they don't own (sometimes owned by the local County Council, sometimes not), and they don't travel.


  • #24
    rossc007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭rossc007


    This was discussed in a thread in Politics the other day:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056302017

    Someone quoted, un-sourced, that 14% of the travelling community are in taxable jobs.


  • #25
    iPlop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    the_syco wrote: »
    Most "Travellers" live in a mobile home that has no wheels, on land they don't own (sometimes owned by the local County Council, sometimes not), and they don't travel.


    I think they want wheels on their caravans.


    "What de fcuk do I want a caravan if it's got no fcukin' wheels?" -Mickey, Snatch.


  • #26
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Sink The Banana wrote: »
    ..her mother and father settled about 35 years ago and as a result herself and her brothers went to school and successfully integrated into society..

    The key to breaking the cycle.


  • #27
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    rossc007 wrote: »
    This was discussed in a thread in Politics the other day:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056302017

    Someone quoted, un-sourced, that 14% of the travelling community are in taxable jobs.

    How are all those vans and 4x4s funded theN? Hmm. Interesting to say the least. On another note, why is it that everone fears 'traveller-bashing' in a thread? Are they beyond discussing? There seems to be no issue with discussing dole cheats and tax evaders - but you cannot discuss travellers who may fall into these categories. WTF?:eek:


  • #28
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    How are all those vans and 4x4s funded theN? Hmm. Interesting to say the least. On another note, why is it that everone fears 'traveller-bashing' in a thread? Are they beyond discussing? There seems to be no issue with discussing dole cheats and tax evaders - but you cannot discuss travellers who may fall into these categories. WTF?:eek:

    Im all for a good traveller bashing thread but theres so many and i just wanted to find out how wide spread traveller occupation is in the work place.

    this thread was actually stemmed from "my big fat gypsie wedding" and one of the girls left her job as a secretary and i thought it was very unusual for a traveller to have a job in the first place. And by this thread its still a very unusual thing to see a traveller in the work place.


  • #29
    Cat Melodeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Cat Melodeon


    bnt wrote: »
    If you aren't traveling, are you still a Traveler? I'm not being (totally) facetious, it's a serious question from a foreigner. Just what defines someone as a Traveler, if not the itinerant lifestyle? Race? Tribe? Language?
    No doubt you'll get some pretty facetious answers, but most people (Travellers, academics and the unbigoted) base membership of the Travelling community as stemming from certain cultural traits. These are things like language (Cant & Gammon are Traveller languages/dialects), customs and traditions, religiousity, ancestry, kinship, etc. The UN regularly criticises the Irish state for not recognising Travellers as an ethnic group as do the various EU bodies (RAXEN etc). And no, Travellers don't have to travel to be Travellers. Many were forced to settle during the 60s/70s, so they can no longer be defined by nomadism.


  • #30
    Cat Melodeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭Cat Melodeon


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    And by this thread its still a very unusual thing to see a traveller in the work place.
    Surely that depends on where you look?

    Travellers are less likely to be employed than the settled population though, that is true. Many work as traders, in construction etc - do self-employed people appear in employment stats (genuine Q)? A family near us have run a flooring company for about 40 years, going from selling carpet out of the back of a van to having a fairly substantial warehouse/showroom that employs around 10 people (all Travellers). I'm sure they do pretty well for themselves, they have a modest but immaculate house and a couple of newish vans. I've never read any reports of them being done for tax fraud. And as for the stereotype of the tarmac spreaders etc, unless you've inspected their affairs you can hardly accuse them of tax evasion, no more than you can any self-employed person. Unless of course they are complete cowboys unregistered for VAT etc, but you get them amongst settled folks too.


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  • #31
    Rabidlamb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    I've bought a mobile home with one & spent half a day with him getting it onto the site.
    Nicer fella you wouldn't meet.

    Seen plenty of the bad side too, they're a mixed bag.


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