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Ex Garda Admits to not 'complying with rules' in murder trial.

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  • #32
    tayto lover
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    He'd probably end up getting beaten half to death if he did.

    another keyboard hero with a grudge.


  • #33
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    funkyouup wrote: »
    Because its easier for him to come on here and talk ****e:)

    yeah I know...


  • #34
    Finnbar01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭Finnbar01


    Let's not turn this into a garda bashing thread please.


    Mr Higgins is the defence council. See what he has done here?
    “This is the most farcical aspect of your testimony, that the murderer gets to dictate how it’s done,” said Mr O’Higgins.


  • #35
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,447 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Seriously, what good would it do? We've seen what they get away with. They're meant to be a public service. They framed Frank McBrearty and the guys in charge of that got moved about. And what about that poor lad in Cork who got beat so badly he got bleeds in the brain?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #36
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Finnbar01 wrote: »
    Let's not turn this into a garda bashing thread please.

    Does anyone see anything wrong with this?

    Mr Higgins is the defence council.

    It's odd because the suspect often gets to dictate. They have to consent to a line up, consent to bail, accept their notice of rights and their charge sheets. They can also decline to say a single word or refuse to cooperate with an interview.


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  • #37
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    mattjack wrote: »
    why don,t you report any corrupt Gardai you know ?
    Who says I haven't?

    I know quite a few people who have correctly reported Garda misbehavior to the ombudsman.

    Luckily I haven't been on the receiving end of Gardaí bare faced lying to Judges in court, making things up <insert other examples of Garda misbehavior here> etc etc... Yet.


  • #38
    tayto lover
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Seriously, what good would it do? We've seen what they get away with. They're meant to be a public service. They framed Frank McBrearty and the guys in charge of that got moved about. And what about that poor lad in Cork who got beat so badly he got bleeds in the brain?

    And who investigated those cases ? The good Garda !! They have around 14 thousand in the force and thankfully very few of them are bad apples. No more than any other profession has.


  • #39
    mattjack
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Who says I haven't?

    I know quite a few people who have correctly reported Garda misbehavior to the ombudsman.

    Luckily I haven't been on the receiving end of Gardaí bare faced lying to Judges in court, making things up <insert other examples of Garda misbehavior here> etc etc... Yet.

    well..have you ?


  • #40
    MagicSean
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Seriously, what good would it do? We've seen what they get away with. They're meant to be a public service. They framed Frank McBrearty and the guys in charge of that got moved about. And what about that poor lad in Cork who got beat so badly he got bleeds in the brain?

    That Garda got kicked from the force and received a suspended sentence. The McBrearty situation highlighted the failings of the disciplinary system which has now been replaced with the Ombudsman. The Gardaí involved in the false imprisonment thing were all charged.


  • #41
    Finnbar01
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    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    It's odd because the suspect often gets to dictate. They have to consent to a line up, consent to bail, accept their notice of rights and their charge sheets. They can also decline to say a single word or refuse to cooperate with an interview.


    Nope! Try again Seanbeag1. :cool:


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  • #42
    Snakeblood
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    stovelid wrote: »
    Anybody knows that hard bitten, maverick detectives have to play outside the rules to bring the perp to justice, especially when the DA is on his ass.

    I assume the Gard is question was separated from his wife and living in a converted docklands warehouse at the time?

    I believe he frequently played the bodhran silhouetted against the flashing neon 'For Sale' sign near his window.


  • #43
    MagicSean
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    Finnbar01 wrote: »
    Nope! Try again Seanbeag1. :cool:

    Try what?


  • #44
    tayto lover
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Who says I haven't?

    I know quite a few people who have correctly reported Garda misbehavior to the ombudsman.

    Luckily I haven't been on the receiving end of Gardaí bare faced lying to Judges in court, making things up <insert other examples of Garda misbehavior here> etc etc... Yet.

    Luckily we have an ombudsman to complain to. Unlike the poor victims of the baseball bat heroes who have no S.F. ombudsman to complain to.


  • #45
    Sunnyisland
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    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    I can't see the problem here. It's one thing if they accused the Garden of influencing the suspect but they appear to have been offering him witness protection in exchange for his testimony. I think it's crazy that we do not have a proper system of plea bargaining in this country and this simply highlights the need for it. What kind of idiot would agree to join a witness protection program and testify against his co-offenders on camera?

    I would also question whether it is in fact a breach of the regulations. If the man in custody declined legal representation and declined to be video recorded then I don't really see where the breach is, especially considering none of the information obtained off camera was used in evidence.


    Since garda officers uphold the law, they are expected to be the first ones to follow the law. The regulations are there for both sides so what is happening in this trial now shouldn't happen.


  • #46
    Finnbar01
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    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Try what?


    Ok maybe it's just me.
    “This is the most farcical aspect of your testimony, that the murderer gets to dictate how it’s done,” said Mr O’Higgins.

    Who's the murderer?


  • #47
    Sunnyisland
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Luckily we have an ombudsman to complain to. Unlike the poor victims of the baseball bat heroes who have no S.F. ombudsman to complain to.


    This is about the a garda in a trial why are you derailing the thread ? there are enough SF bashing thread around,join one of them.


  • #48
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Luckily we have an ombudsman to complain to. Unlike the poor victims of the baseball bat heroes who have no S.F. ombudsman to complain to.
    What does SF have to do with any of this? Nothing, thats what.


    Garda ombudsman is far from ideal but its something, the "snug" relationship between the judiciary and the gardaí is worse, although not as bad as it once was.


  • #49
    MagicSean
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    realies wrote: »
    Since garda officers uphold the law, they are expected to be the first ones to follow the law. The regulations are there for both sides so what is happening in this trial now shouldn't happen.

    Like I said, I don't see how it is a breach of the regulations as it wasn't an interview and nothing said in the meeting was used in evidence.


  • #50
    tayto lover
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    realies wrote: »
    This is about the a garda in a trial why are you derailing the thread ? there are enough SF bashing thread around,join one of them.

    I would have thought there were more garda bashing threads, usually ran and by S.F. people, and i am only trying to balance it out.


  • #51
    MagicSean
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    Finnbar01 wrote: »
    Ok maybe it's just me.



    Who's the murderer?

    Ah right. He's the defence for a different suspect. He is trying to make it seem like the guy who wasn't charged because of the plea bargain is the murderer and his client is being shafted.


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  • #52
    Wolfe Tone
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    I would have thought there were more garda bashing threads, usually ran and by S.F. people, and i am only trying to balance it out.
    You are wrong, but surely it would be easier and better to set up a shinner bashing thread then no?


  • #53
    tayto lover
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    What does SF have to do with any of this? Nothing, thats what.


    Garda ombudsman is far from ideal but its something, the "snug" relationship between the judiciary and the gardaí is worse, although not as bad as it once was.

    Have you reported your suspicions about the judiciary and the gardai to the ombudsman ?


  • #54
    Finnbar01
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    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Ah right. He's the defence for a different suspect. He is trying to make it seem like the guy who wasn't charged because of the plea bargain is the murderer and his client is being shafted.


    I wonder did the prosecution object to Mr Higgins calling the informant a murderer?


  • #55
    tayto lover
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    You are wrong, but surely it would be easier and better to set up a shinner bashing thread then no?

    No i'd rather confront them where i see them trying to influence peoples' opinions in their usual way.


  • #56
    Sunnyisland
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    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Like I said, I don't see how it is a breach of the regulations as it wasn't an interview and nothing said in the meeting was used in evidence.


    “I didn't do what I was supposed to do,” said Mr Browne, agreeing that the law required that interviews with suspects should be recorded on camera.


    He was not following the law that he himself is took an oath to uphold.


  • #57
    Wolfe Tone
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    No i'd rather confront them where i see them trying to influence peoples' opinions in their usual way.
    lol, I'm not so arrogant as to assume I hold ay great sway over peoples opinions, I have my own and I stick by them, you of course are free to feel that the big bad republicans are en mass out to get you/everyone, as illogical as your position is.


  • #58
    tayto lover
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    lol, I'm not so arrogant as to assume I hold ay great sway over peoples opinions, I have my own and I stick by them, you of course are free to feel that the big bad republicans are en mass out to get you/everyone, as illogical as your position is.


    They are not out to get me. They are out to try and discredit the Gardai. Remember the woman with the flag you championed during the Queens visit.


  • #59
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    tayto lover wrote: »
    They are not out to get me. They are out to try and discredit the Gardai. Remember the woman with the flag you championed during the Queens visit.
    Lol, thats me, I am not Sf ffs.


  • #60
    Guy:Incognito
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    And what about that poor lad in Cork who got beat so badly he got bleeds in the brain?

    OT but why do people throw around tabloid stuff like this. All your short of is putting "bleeds on the brain" in caps.

    I dont know the case myself but from your statement alone he could have got anythign from a dig in the head to having his head danced on by 20 Gards. Of course your trying to imply its closer to the latter.


    you could fall back off your office chair and get BLEEDS ON THE BRAIN. It doesnt mean youve been beaten to within an inch of your life.


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  • #61
    blahfckingblah
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Luckily we have an ombudsman to complain to. Unlike the poor victims of the baseball bat heroes who have no S.F. ombudsman to complain to.
    well if you ever fall foul of the "baseball bat heroes" then you should make a complaint to the gardai. of course this wont happen because you are in turn an internet hero. professing about the PAST violence of the ira and ignoring the fact that many gardai are corrupt and use excessive force at PRESENT


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