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Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Naikon wrote: »
    Why?

    I'd prefer no parents than gay parents because the amount of bullying I got for only having one parent was unbelievable I was seriously attacked 3 times I think in my last year of primary school. I can't imagine what it would be like with gay parents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    The word here is progress. We've survived by adapting and changing and not sticklign to the same old principles just becaue they got us through in the past.
    If it ain't broke why fix it? The family unit has got by ok so far why go about changing it now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    The dinosaurs followed a model which had them as the dominant species on earth for circa 160M years which is roughly 50 times longer than our dominance

    I firmly believe there extinction was related to them ignoring the rights for gay adoption.

    Also the model of two married parents raising a child is relatively new ,historically children were raised by the tribe and then extended family and the village.

    Only landed people got married until a couple of hundred years ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Soups123


    GarIT wrote: »
    I'd prefer no parents than gay parents because the amount of bullying I got for only having one parent was unbelievable I was seriously attacked 3 times I think in my last year of primary school. I can't imagine what it would be like with gay parents.

    U were bullied for this in Ireland??? They must have had some selection of who to target so. In some areas those bullies are easily outnumbered 2 / 1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The dinosaurs followed a model which had them as the dominant species on earth for circa 160M years which is roughly 50 times longer than our dominance

    I firmly believe there extinction was related to them ignoring the rights for gay adoption.

    Also the model of two married parents raising a child is relatively new ,historically children were raised by the tribe and then extended family and the village.

    Only landed people got married until a couple of hundred years ago



    Maybe all the dinosaurs turned Gay and thats why they became extinct.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭Kev_ps3


    Hate this liberal pussy ass generation, few years ago this it was illegal. The patients are running the asylum. No to answer the OP


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Some people put way too much stock in what's "natural". When you look at the detail, nature can be heartless, cruel monster.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Show Time wrote: »
    If it ain't broke why fix it? The family unit has got by ok so far why go about changing it now?

    Because the environment and society has gone through changes. And who says it isn't broken...?
    Kev_ps3 wrote: »
    Hate this liberal pussy ass generation, few years ago this it was illegal. The patients are running the asylum. No to answer the OP

    As opposed to the generation that preferred to ignorantly bury it's head in the sand and follow the lead of a bunch of people who were raping kids in the name of God? Think I'll stick with the liberals, thanks.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭D


    Poll lacks the option:

    "I don't care about people's sexuality as long as they bring a child into a happy caring home."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Kids absolutely hate feeling 'different'. It would be ridiculously unfair to inflict that on someone in my view.
    And I say that as someone with absolutely no 'morality' hangups whatsoever.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    Some people put way too much stock in what's "natural". When you look at the detail, nature can be heartless, cruel monster.

    Yes it can. So if you don't want to enjoy perhaps the most beautiful and fulfilling act - sexual rapport - with the opposite sex then get over it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    2 good parents is always better than 1 single one.

    Sexual orientation is irrelevant - unless they're pedo's - but gay or straight makes no difference.

    Children need security love and direction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    snyper wrote: »
    2 good parents is always better than 1 single one.

    Sexual orientation is irrelevant - unless they're pedo's - but gay or straight makes no difference.

    Children need security love and direction.
    This, in a nutshell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 590 ✭✭✭SparkyTech


    Adam and eve not adam and steve...:eek:

    Where did I put my rainbow flag? :rolleyes:

    In a nutshell, Im gay and I know ill be adopting a child with my partner at some point in the future. We will love and care for it the same way as any straight couple would. :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    snyper wrote: »
    2 good parents is always better than 1 single one.

    Sexual orientation is irrelevant - unless they're pedo's - but gay or straight makes no difference.

    Children need security love and direction.


    So its okay if they are hetrosexual pedos but not homosexual pedos! or are you classing pedo as an orientation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    So its okay if they are hetrosexual pedos but not homosexual pedos! or are you classing pedo as an orientation

    how did you come to that conclusion from what i said?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭histories


    The fact that this has to even be asked in 2011 is saddening. I'm not so much for gay rights as I am for human rights. If two people, be they same sex or otherwise, want to adopt they should be allowed -if and only if- they can provide the child with a happy, loving and safe home. Likewise civil partnership is insulting, same sex marrige should be allowed, no ifs, buts, or maybes!!

    I grew up in a single family home and to echo one of the other posters it would have been a hell of a lot worse for us had my mother stayed with this man who was a phycially and sexually abusive drunkard. When I hear this nonesense about the "traditional family" being the best for kids I want to vomit! It makes me so very angry! My mother loves us, cared for us, protected us, she was the one and the only one who wanted us. I turned out as normal as any other human being. I have no daddy issues, or problems with men.

    I look at my best friend who grew up in the "traditional family" environment. She is a wonderful human being but the girl is off the rails like. In fact all of them were wild for years. By the logic of some people on here I'm the one who should have all the issues and she is the one who should be "normal".

    Never once in my life was i bullied for a lack of father. I remember being bullied by a girl who used to mock me all the time because i had chicken legs and knobbly knees FFS!!!

    My main point in all of this: as long as you have even one person who will love you and care for you, keep a roof over your head and food in your belly then sexual orientation is not nor should be an issue. There are so many children across the globe who will never know love and security. Children being raised by heterosexuals who abuse them, children living destitute on the streets of impoverished countries with no one to look after them.....I don't care if you were beamed down by the freaking mothership! as long as you can care for and love a child that is all that matters to me. And I can thank my single mother for that acceptance of others. GO Ma!!:p

    Sorry for the long post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭willow tree


    redheads shouldn't be allowed to have children because they will have them in the full knowledge that they will be bullied in school.
    good point:p
    i havent read the whole thread, this is such a no brainer to me... children need love, support and security to grow into secure and happy adults. it doesnt matter who that comes from. there are studies done that show children of gay parents get on just as well as children of hetero parents. we met a dutch gay couple on holidays last year with their daughter, they were wonderful parents from what we could see. but we went on a hike, them and me and my dh, little girl kept saying a word, turned out word meant grandad, she was missing him, hes her male role model. so children can get what they need from other sources if need be.
    does anyone remember the gay couple on the late late with the two sons? they seemed well adjusted and said they were never bullied for that. the other kids would just say ok, its the adults that put that into their kids:rolleyes: so glad i was brought up without these thoughts


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    Hi histories. I'm glad that everything has worked out great for you. Both you and your Mum deserve praise for this. Can you tell us when your Dad's drunken and abusive behaviour started? Were there any manifestations before the marriage/partnership?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Aishae


    one of the reasons cited for being against the idea of allowing gay folks to adopt: the kids will be bullied, they need a maternal influence, we're a few years away from a more tolerant society where gay people can adopt and the kids can go to school without worrying they'll be bullied for having 2 daddies/mammies

    well how is society going to become more tolerant like this if we dont try to show tolerance and equality?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    montane wrote: »
    With lesbian parenting and the absence of a father figure, it is simple logic that a father teaches a boy how to properly channel his aggressive and sexual drives. A mother can’t show a son how to control his impulses because she’s not a man and doesn’t have the same urges as one. A father also commands a form of respect from a boy that a mother doesn’t.

    Similarly girls also require a father who can not be easily replaced by a pumped-up lesbian on testosterone supplements. For instance, a father offers a daughter a safe, non-sexual place to experience her first male-female relationship and have her femininity affirmed. When a girl doesn’t have a father to fill that role she’s more likely to become promiscuous in a misguided attempt to satisfy her inborn hunger for male attention and validation.

    The emotional and psychological ramifications of these assorted arrangements on the developing psyches and sexuality of children is an unknown, it is unethical to test this unknown on innocent children. And what happens to the children of these alternative marriages if the union dissolves and each parent then “remarries”? Those children could end up with four fathers, or four mothers, or, you fill in the blank....

    Certainly homosexual couples can be just as loving as heterosexual couples, but children require more than love. They need the distinctive qualities and the complementary natures of a male and female parent.

    A) I'll ask the same question of you that I've asked when other have brought up this point about the absence of role models: If male AND female role models are so important to a child's development, what are you doing to eliminate single parent families? Shotgun weddings? Interrupting divorce proceedings? Forcing separated couples to live in the same house? Or do you just reserve your energy for when same sex couples involved?

    B) Re the part I've highlighted in bold.... I'm bordering on speechless at that one! I don't know if I should rant and rave about your barely disguised misogyny (e.g. you don't seem to think that the lack of a female role model has any detrimental affect), dismiss it out of hand unless you can back that up with some concrete indisputable proof, or just sit here slack jawed at the possibility that you might actually believe what you typed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 245 ✭✭montane


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    A) I'll ask the same question of you that I've asked when other have brought up this point about the absence of role models: If male AND female role models are so important to a child's development, what are you doing to eliminate single parent families? Shotgun weddings? Interrupting divorce proceedings? Forcing separated couples to live in the same house? Or do you just reserve your energy for when same sex couples involved?

    Are you suggesting that we should ban heterosexual couples from having children because a small percentage will separate? Undesirable as it maybe, I'm afraid that's a risk we have to take if we want to ensure continued survival of our species.

    Of course some families end up with just one parent. That that doesnt mean that we should actively encourage and legislate for a deviation from the traditional family unit, as some on here seem to be suggesting, and encourage single parent families, families with abusive parents, or familes with same-sex couples.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭histories


    Spread wrote: »
    Hi histories. I'm glad that everything has worked out great for you. Both you and your Mum deserve praise for this. Can you tell us when your Dad's drunken and abusive behaviour started? Were there any manifestations before the marriage/partnership?


    Not sure if you intended it but your post reads in a condesending manner and a bit Dr. Philish. I was simply using something that happened in my life to highlight why this notion of the "traditional" family is utter bollocks. I have no intention of going into all the personal details.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 413 ✭✭The Left Hand Of God


    Yes.

    But not the sick ones. Like those other ones who are sick and evil.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭sasser


    montane wrote: »
    With lesbian parenting and the absence of a father figure, it is simple logic that a father teaches a boy how to properly channel his aggressive and sexual drives. A mother can’t show a son how to control his impulses because she’s not a man and doesn’t have the same urges as one. A father also commands a form of respect from a boy that a mother doesn’t.

    Similarly girls also require a father who can not be easily replaced by a pumped-up lesbian on testosterone supplements. For instance, a father offers a daughter a safe, non-sexual place to experience her first male-female relationship and have her femininity affirmed. When a girl doesn’t have a father to fill that role she’s more likely to become promiscuous in a misguided attempt to satisfy her inborn hunger for male attention and validation.

    The emotional and psychological ramifications of these assorted arrangements on the developing psyches and sexuality of children is an unknown, it is unethical to test this unknown on innocent children. And what happens to the children of these alternative marriages if the union dissolves and each parent then “remarries”? Those children could end up with four fathers, or four mothers, or, you fill in the blank....

    Certainly homosexual couples can be just as loving as heterosexual couples, but children require more than love. They need the distinctive qualities and the complementary natures of a male and female parent.

    Just so you know, it's good manners to credit the source you copied and pastedd your post from, rather than passing it off as your own, no surprise to see where it comes from though.


  • Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    montane wrote: »
    When a girl doesn’t have a father to fill that role she’s more likely to become promiscuous in a misguided attempt to satisfy her inborn hunger for male attention and validation.

    :/ Seriously?!

    I can't comment on kids brought up by same-sex parents, because I don't know any. However, anyone I can think of as being wild/off the rails were brought up in traditional families. Actually, all the people I can think of that were brought up in single parent families turned out really grand!


    Anyway, gay couples should be allowed adopt. I just don't get all this parental gender role bullshit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    Kev_ps3 wrote: »
    Hate this liberal pussy ass generation, few years ago this it was illegal. The patients are running the asylum. No to answer the OP

    Seriously, are you really that stupid, oh no wait. You are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    montane wrote: »
    Are you suggesting that we should ban heterosexual couples from having children because a small percentage will separate? Undesirable as it maybe, I'm afraid that's a risk we have to take if we want to ensure continued survival of our species.

    Of course some families end up with just one parent. That that doesnt mean that we should actively encourage and legislate for a deviation from the traditional family unit, as some on here seem to be suggesting, and encourage single parent families, families with abusive parents, or familes with same-sex couples.

    LOL, 'ensure... survival of our species' sure because clearly the humans have been dying out of late thanks to teh gheys! And deviation is SO like deviant, why by golly! it's not 'traditional!! look, this leads to one strawman after another sexy strawman! oh no Betty, stop!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    Biggins wrote: »
    I'd rather have two people (or more) in my life that deeply cared for me and loved me - than none at all.

    I think that's a very good point, although I'm a bit torn on the matter to be fair, I don't doubt that the couple would love and care for the child, I just think it doesn't seem quite right, and I mean no offense to anyone by that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭KeithM89_old


    Seriously, are you really that stupid, oh no wait. You are.

    Banned


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