Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt?

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 09:21AM #1

Pretty good feeling i'm going to get destroyed for this but here goes...

I'm all for gay people being allowed to get married and have equal rights as straight couples and i'm sure within the next few years this will be achieved.

However, I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children. I just don't think it would be fair on the child to say for example have two fathers, and no mother figure. The child would more than likely be the subject of sever bullying in school.

I also think it could leave the child confused as to how relationships work and asking question as to why he/she has two dads where as everyone else has one mother and one father.

Now I know many will argue that its better for a child to be with a gay couple than in an orphanage but having looked into it a bit there are next to none in Ireland.

I know my argument may seem a bit backward but when I asked myself if I'd like to have had two father I definitely wouldn't have.

abouttobebanned · 24-06-2011 09:22AM

Why will ya get destroyed? It's just an opinion. And a valid one at that.

Biggins · 24-06-2011 09:25AM

I'd rather have two people (or more) in my life that deeply cared for me and loved me - than none at all.

Misticles · 24-06-2011 09:25AM

Rachel Berry turned out quite well :cool:

I think they should be allowed. Two parents of both sex or mixed sex are going to love the child equally! Raise the child with good values just like any other parents would and if the child does become the subject of bullying, what are the odds those bullying children came from a mixed sex relationship? and look how they turned out!

Two parents are better than none!

smokingman · 24-06-2011 09:25AM

Jesus had two dads and he apparently did ok....

Phill Ewinn · 24-06-2011 09:26AM

Should male gay couples be allowed to adopt in Ireland do you mean?

Seriously though I can't see the benefit for the child. I doubt many here share the same opinion

roryc1 · 24-06-2011 09:28AM

Did you ask yourself would you like two mothers ?

24-06-2011 09:29AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

Pretty good feeling i'm going to get destroyed for this but here goes...

I'm all for gay people being allowed to get married and have equal rights as straight couples and i'm sure within the next few years this will be achieved.

However, I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children. I just don't think it would be fair on the child to say for example have two fathers, and no mother figure. The child would more than likely be the subject of sever bullying in school.

I also think it could leave the child confused as to how relationships work and asking question as to why he/she has two dads where as everyone else has one mother and one father.

Now I know many will argue that its better for a child to be with a gay couple than in an orphanage but having looked into it a bit there are next to none in Ireland.

I know my argument may seem a bit backward but when I asked myself if I'd like to have had two father I definitely wouldn't have.

Are you trolling?
This is stupid. Children get bullied anyway for any reason. Children of single parents are not "confused about how relationships work".

On the poll, I don't think they should adopt but I do think they should be allowed to...

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 09:30AM

Biggins wrote: »

I'd rather have two people (or more) in my life that deeply cared for me and loved me - than none at all.

Valid point, but I think that greater emphasis should be put on adoption to straight couple that can't have children for medical reasons.

There are virtually no adoptions in Ireland anymore, and I think its such a shame that a lot of kids end up in temporary homes.

I know most gay couple would try their hardest to care for a child but at the end of the day would it not be better to give a child the best start possible. I don't think that could be achieved with a gay couple.

I'd also like to point out that my argument isn't anti-gay, its pro-child.

steof1984 · 24-06-2011 09:30AM

Gay people should adopt

steof1984 · 24-06-2011 09:31AM

Gay people should adopt Gay Babies

Cookie_Monster · 24-06-2011 09:33AM

smokingman wrote: »

Jesus had two dads and he apparently did ok....

he came back as a zombie:

=> Gheyness encourages Zombie-ism

Flawless scientific logic at work

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 09:33AM

bluewolf wrote: »

Are you trolling?
This is stupid. Children get bullied anyway for any reason. Children of single parents are not "confused about how relationships work".

On the poll, I don't think they should adopt but I do think they should be allowed to...

Are you seriously going to tell me a child of a gay couple isn't going to get tormented in school Most people get bullied in school, some are unlucky to get bullied more than others. But a child of a gay couple is 100% sure to get tormented for his whole school life.

Yeah, I had that in but it was too long, you get the idea stop looking for a reason to piss yourself.

Gandalph · 24-06-2011 09:34AM

You make a valid arguement about the kids and I remember how afraid I was of gay men when I was a child but I believe if they feel capable of being good parents then they should be able to do anything they want. Everyone is becoming more tolerent these days even kids.

The only people that would do the slagging are the scummer kids who's douchebag fat beer drinking low life fathers bring them up to make fun of the gay community, and noboddy honestly gives a f**k on what those people have to say.

24-06-2011 09:35AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

Are you seriously going to tell me a child of a gay couple isn't going to get tormented in school Most people get bullied in school, some are unlucky to get bullied more than others. But a child of a gay couple is 100% sure to get tormented for his whole school life.

No, they are not 100% sure to get tormented. Plenty of posters on the last thread on the subject, myself included, did not get bullied.
Redheads get bullied. Kids with glasses get bullied. Pandering to potential bullies... :rolleyes:

IfUSeekAmy · 24-06-2011 09:36AM

OP your argument is like saying that redheads shouldn't be allowed to have children because they will have them in the full knowledge that they will be bullied in school.

Kids are tough, but fair. If children with samesex parents attending schools becomes the norm, then in the longrun, the norm it will be, nothing to bat an eyelid about.

Also, you can't brand yourself as being all for equal rights with the stance you have.

Equal rights means exactly that EQUAL rights. Some aren't more equal than others you know.

NothingMan · 24-06-2011 09:36AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

The child would more than likely be the subject of sever bullying in school.

Jeez, I know homophobia can lead to bullying but severing them is a bit severe.

AudreyHepburn · 24-06-2011 09:36AM

My opinion is as long as the parent or parents love and provide for their children what matter their sexuality?

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 09:37AM

Gandalph wrote: »

You make a valid arguement about the kids and I remember how afraid I was of gay men when I was a child but I believe if they feel capable of being good parents then they should be able to do anything they want. Everyone is becoming more tolerent these days even kids.

The only people that would do the slagging are the scummer kids who's douchebag fat beer drinking low life fathers bring them up to make fun of the gay community, and noboddy honestly gives a f**k on what those people have to say.

You can say that now but sadly children will care what their peers say to them, its how we mature.

abouttobebanned · 24-06-2011 09:38AM

bluewolf wrote: »

Are you trolling?
This is stupid. Children get bullied anyway for any reason. Children of single parents are not "confused about how relationships work".

On the poll, I don't think they should adopt but I do think they should be allowed to...

Are you one of these people that think that people who post opinions that you don't agree with, must be trolls.

Trolling...FFS...

As much as I'd rather see a child with two gay parents than no parents, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of two gay men raising a child. There needs to be a maternal involvement in some way, I think it's essential for the proper upbringing of a child.

ElleEm · 24-06-2011 09:39AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

Pretty good feeling i'm going to get destroyed for this but here goes...

I'm all for gay people being allowed to get married and have equal rights as straight couples and i'm sure within the next few years this will be achieved.

However, I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children. I just don't think it would be fair on the child to say for example have two fathers, and no mother figure. The child would more than likely be the subject of sever bullying in school.

I also think it could leave the child confused as to how relationships work and asking question as to why he/she has two dads where as everyone else has one mother and one father.

Now I know many will argue that its better for a child to be with a gay couple than in an orphanage but having looked into it a bit there are next to none in Ireland.

I know my argument may seem a bit backward but when I asked myself if I'd like to have had two father I definitely wouldn't have.

I don't see how it would lead them into any more confusion than having a single mother/ having an absent father/ having half siblings etc., which is very common in today's society.

If anything, not being brought up in a traditional family may lead the child to be more tolerant and accepting of people.

I work with kids in care, and loving families willing to foster/ adopt are very VERY slim. I would much rather see those kids with loving, happy families than living in an institution.

Having a child raised by "the system" will do much more damage to a kid than having a kid being raised by two people who love each other and can provide love for the child.

24-06-2011 09:39AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Are you one of these people that think that people who post opinions that you don't agree with, must be trolls.

No, I am not one of these people.

There needs to be a maternal involvement in some way, I think it's essential for the proper upbringing of a child.

And yet single people can adopt, isn't that terrible

AnamGlas · 24-06-2011 09:40AM

Well, ask yourself if you would like your child to be raised by a gay couple, if you were unable to raise him/her for any reason.

Beruthiel · 24-06-2011 09:41AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

However, I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children. I just don't think it would be fair on the child to say for example have two fathers, and no mother figure.

Look at all the children who only have one parent. Or none.

The child would more than likely be the subject of sever bullying in school.

If that child is bullied by it's peers, it is because of the ignorance and intolerance they have been taught by their "fantastic, perfect" heterosexual parents....
Oh the ironing....

abouttobebanned · 24-06-2011 09:43AM

bluewolf wrote: »

No, I am not one of these people.

And yet single people can adopt, isn't that terrible

I'm suspicious of this. Are you telling me that a single man can adobt a baby? Can you show me a case where this has happened?

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 24-06-2011 09:44AM

I can't believe this: obviously none of the posters here have been watching Sky1's documentary "Modern Family":
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tvsquad.com/media/2010/11/modern-family-lily-abc.jpg

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 09:44AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I'm suspicious of this. Are you telling me that a single man can adobt a baby? Can you show me a case where this has happened?

No he can not.

fatmammycat · 24-06-2011 09:44AM

AnamGlas wrote: »

Well, ask yourself if you would like your child to be raised by a gay couple, if you were unable to raise him/her for any reason.

It would make no difference to me. Also gay men do not live in a vaccum, they have mothers, sisters, brothers, a child could have a wonderful life with plenty of 'maternal' influence.
And honestly, bullying? Kids get bullied for any number of reasons. I was bullied for being tall FFS.

theboss80 · 24-06-2011 09:44AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

My opinion is as long as the parent or parents love and provide for their children what matter their sexuality?

^^^^^^^^
This

24-06-2011 09:45AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I'm suspicious of this. Are you telling me that a single man can adobt a baby? Can you show me a case where this has happened?

I don't know, I'd have to go look properly for an actual case, I was just checking on :

Under the adoption legislation, it is possible for a single person to adopt if the Adoption Authority considers it desirable and it must regard the welfare of the child as its first and paramount consideration. This means that if you are living with a same-sex or opposite-sex partner, you may apply to the Authority to adopt a child in your own right, intending to raise the child with your partner. However, your partner would have no legal rights in relation to the child. The fact you are in a relationship is relevant only when evaluating circumstances that might affect the child's welfare.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/cohabiting_couples/adoption_and_unmarried_couples.html

cosanostra · 24-06-2011 09:46AM

I think a child needs a mother and a father to give that balance! The breakdown of the family unit has serious social implications

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