Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt?

philologos · 24-06-2011 01:28PM

Ikky Poo2 - I've done all I need to do really. There is clearly a difference if there is so much research done on it. If there wasn't a difference there wouldn't be much need to do this. That's a sound argument. One can either complain about it or engage with it.

secman · 24-06-2011 01:29PM

My daughter has in recent weeks announced that she and her partner are expecting a baby, we as parents are thrilled and please God mother and child will be safe and healthy. The fact that she happens to be Gay is totally and utterly irrelevant. She is our daughter whom we dearly love and we please God will have a healthy grandchild early next year

;););)

Secman

I regretably used to be a dinasaur with my ridiculous homphobic attitute but now I see the bigger picture, and have to say a lot more mellow as I edge towards being a grand parent.... can't wait.........

NTMK · 24-06-2011 01:31PM

philologos wrote: »

I've given you numerous articles that you can consult. Another poster said there was "very little" difference between single parents and a family with a mother and a father. This isn't true and there is a rake of research to show the differences. I've shown you where you can find it. As far as I'm concerned I've done a much better job in substantiating this than the other did.

Once i see an article that shows that there is a considerble difference showing facts for different social classes and thats also from recent times i.e last 10-15 years
ill read it
throwing up a search engine result doesnt help youre argument
i could do the same with saying the world is flat and get results

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-06-2011 01:36PM

philologos wrote: »

Ikky Poo2 - I've done all I need to do really. There is clearly a difference if there is so much research done on it. If there wasn't a difference there wouldn't be much need to do this. That's a sound argument. One can either complain about it or engage with it.

I am trying to engage, believe me. And there are more fallicies here

1 - You have not done anything, Is till do not know what your viewpoint is or what it is based on
2 - Research being done, on its own, means absolutely nothing. Who did the research? When? How was it conducted? What were its conclusions? Perhsps it proved that there was little or no difference? Would you even know if it had?

Knasher · 24-06-2011 01:39PM

The people against are acting like there isn't enough kids up for adoption going around when in fact the exact opposite problem is true, it isn't a choice between hetro couples and gay couples, its a choice between gay couples and orphanages.

Do the people arguing against gay adoption really believe that an orphanage is preferable in any way to a stable and loving couple of any orientation?

Taltos · 24-06-2011 01:41PM

philologos wrote: »

If there wasn't a difference there wouldn't be much need to do this. That's a sound argument.

Have to disagree with this.
People do research for a variety of reasons. For example but no way limited to (maybe do a google search to see what other reasons there are).
1. Paid to do it
2. To find evidence to support their theories
3. To find evidence to disprove their theories
4. A smokescreen to convince others that their ideas are correct
5. Because they have little better to do and sure why not, who knows sometimes great things can be found of the wrong train of thought.

However - using the argument that just because there is research is the proof that something exists to require the research is well just plain wrong.

Spread · 24-06-2011 01:43PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

No worries, basically just wondering if you would see the presence of another same sex parent (lets say outside of the mother/father role filled by one member of a gay couple ) as being an additional hindrance or bad influence on the possible development or happiness of a child.

Hindrance or bad influence? Rather emotive stuff! To me, it would not be the ideal situation. All children deserve the best possible upbringing and to my mind the ideal situation in which to be brought up is by heterosexual parents. These parameters have evolved over a long period of time which has seen mankind evolving nicely. Why fix something if it isn't broken?

desertcircus · 24-06-2011 01:43PM

My parents separated when I was seven, and after that I was my dad for one weekend a fortnight. The fact that I still ended up a hundred-kilo, rugby-playing, beer-downing, drumming heterosexual male means that either having a mother and father always around isn't as big a deal as people think, or I would have grown up to be the manliest man in history.

Probably not option two.

philologos · 24-06-2011 01:47PM

Taltos wrote: »

Have to disagree with this.
People do research for a variety of reasons. For example but no way limited to (maybe do a google search to see what other reasons there are).
1. Paid to do it
2. To find evidence to support their theories
3. To find evidence to disprove their theories
4. A smokescreen to convince others that their ideas are correct
5. Because they have little better to do and sure why not, who knows sometimes great things can be found of the wrong train of thought.

However - using the argument that just because there is research is the proof that something exists to require the research is well just plain wrong.

I think there is a good deal of confirmation bias going on. It doesn't agree with your assumptions therefore you find some lame excuse to render the research as somehow inadequate.

Spread · 24-06-2011 01:48PM

Knasher wrote: »

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.................Do the people arguing against gay adoption really believe that an orphanage is preferable in any way to a stable and loving couple of any orientation?

I'm sure if they thought that, they would have said so by now. Almost two hundred posts! Perhaps you should start a new thread.

whiteboy · 24-06-2011 01:50PM

no way bro, never a good idea.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-06-2011 01:51PM

philologos wrote: »

I think there is a good deal of confirmation bias going on. It doesn't agree with your assumptions therefore you find some lame excuse to render the research as somehow inadequate.

Absolutely, which is why I usually ask who is doing the reserach and when.

That said, there are plenty of people who grew up in single-parent situations - soem of whom have posted in this thread - they seem to be okay. I don't see how this situation changes with two parents instead of one when they both have the same gender.

Corkfeen · 24-06-2011 02:02PM

philologos wrote: »

I've given you numerous articles that you can consult. Another poster said there was "very little" difference between single parents and a family with a mother and a father. This isn't true and there is a rake of research to show the differences. I've shown you where you can find it. As far as I'm concerned I've done a much better job in substantiating this than the other did.

Well, I'm reading an article on Jstor right now that states there's absolutely no difference in the psychological well being of people who have had same-sex parents. There's a major difference between having a single parent and two parents of the same sex. In regards to Ireland not being progressive, according to polls our favourite to be president is gay and we're far more progressive than many parts of America.

tayto lover · 24-06-2011 02:13PM

triseke wrote: »

I wonder if orphans would have the same bigoted take..

Why is someone's opinion bigoted if it disagrees with yours ?

Knasher · 24-06-2011 02:14PM

Spread wrote: »

I'm sure if they thought that, they would have said so by now. Almost two hundred posts! Perhaps you should start a new thread.

Okay, so you accept that the total welfare of orphans would be objectively improved if you allowed adoption by same sex couples, which must be the case if you accept that a gay couple is better than an orphanage.

But you continue to object to gay adoption because it doesn't live up the the hetro ideal (in your eyes), despite the fact that placing every orphan with a hetro couple is completely infeasible.

Spread · 24-06-2011 02:15PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Well, I'm reading an article on Jstor right now that states there's absolutely no difference in the psychological well being of people who have had same-sex parents. There's a major difference between having a single parent and two parents of the same sex. In regards to Ireland not being progressive, according to polls our favourite to be president is gay and we're far more progressive than many parts of America.

Can you give us a LINK please?

whiteboy · 24-06-2011 02:15PM

Should adopted people be allowed to be gay>?

ItsNoAlias · 24-06-2011 02:19PM

having been raised by a gay person after my mother passed, I cannot fault their parenting skills. Also, regarding the whole bullying thing, it very rarely came up to be honest & when did it wasnt anything to serious. Bare in mind I grew up in a pretty bad neighbourhood. being bullied about my biological parents not being around was much much worse.

Taking my own personal experience I believe Gay couples, both male & female, should be allowed to adopt.

Children deserve a loveing family, their sexual orientation should not come into the equation, its descrimination, which I hope everyone on boards would try and fight against.

Spread · 24-06-2011 02:26PM

Knasher wrote: »

Okay, so you accept that the total welfare of orphans would be objectively improved if you allowed adoption by same sex couples, which must be the case if you accept that a gay couple is better than an orphanage.

But you continue to object to gay adoption because it doesn't live up the the hetro ideal (in your eyes), despite the fact that your ideal of placing every orphan with a hetro couple is completely infeasible.

Try reading my post again. You seem to be confused and reading things into a twenty-four word, three sentence response.

tayto lover · 24-06-2011 02:27PM

Just because a couple are Gay it does not prove that any children raised by them will be perfect. The child has as much chance of being a plague to society as any child raised by a mother and father.
To read some peoples' posts you would think that any child raised by a gay couple would have a better chance of being the "perfect child" and it just does not work out like that. I know kids who were raised by gay couples who are always in trouble just like i know children from hetrosexual couples who are always in trouble.
Same difference.

Corkfeen · 24-06-2011 02:32PM

Spread wrote: »

Can you give us a LINK please?

It was on jstor but googled for it and it seems to be available. The relationship between child and parent is more important than them being same-sex or heterosexual parents. And before you complain about the links,the article itself is from a perfectly acceptable journal.
http://www.lgbt.org.ar/blog/Matrimonio/archivos/wainright_2004.pdf

kevinh74 · 24-06-2011 02:39PM

No is my answer, nothing at all agianst Gay people , but they sleep around to much , married couples not a wild

Wolflikeme · 24-06-2011 02:42PM

Speaking as a former child; I would've hated growing up with two gay parents....even though my parents divorced (very amicably mind), I'd rather that than two gay parents.

NuMarvel · 24-06-2011 02:46PM

kevinh74 wrote: »

No is my answer, nothing at all agianst Gay people , but they sleep around to much , married couples not a wild

Ryan Giggs called, he wants to hire you as his divorce lawyer.

Knasher · 24-06-2011 02:47PM

Spread wrote: »

Try reading my post again. You seem to be confused and reading things into a twenty-four word, three sentence response.

Well I was trying to expand my position because you didn't seem to think it irrelevant to the discussion. Which is weird because all of your posts, which aren't accusing people of going off topic, seem to pertain to child welfare, as did my point, and rightly so as it should be at the crux of this debate.

To be honest, with all your back-seat moding, I suspect you are more interested in dismissing opposing points rather than addressing them, so I won't hold my breath for a relevant response.

Taltos · 24-06-2011 02:52PM

philologos wrote: »

I think there is a good deal of confirmation bias going on. It doesn't agree with your assumptions therefore you find some lame excuse to render the research as somehow inadequate.

Didn't say I found the research inaccurate or fallible - just your claim that because there was research being carried out that it proved there was a problem with same sex parents....

cowzerp · 24-06-2011 02:53PM

I know 2 couples who live as a 4some, they like to share-surely this would be even better, 2 mams and 2 dads

Show Time · 24-06-2011 02:54PM

triseke wrote: »

Il tell that to my fiance who was raised by his mum and his grandparents. Im sure he'd love to hear about his family unit not being a valid "working family unit".

The key word was ideal. Of course some people both male and female just suck big time when it comes to assuming a role of caring for an infant right through to when the kid goes out on their own, Also the human race has made it the last couple of millon years by following this supposed narrow minded view of mine.

Spread · 24-06-2011 02:57PM

cowzerp wrote: »

I know 2 couples who live as a 4some, they like to share-surely this would be even better, 2 mams and 2 dads

Got to watch the floodgates. The gay parents could be the Trojan Horse.:D

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-06-2011 02:57PM

Show Time wrote: »

The key word was ideal. Of course some people both male and female just suck big time when it comes to assuming a role of caring for an infant right through to when the kid goes out on their own, Also the human race has made it the last couple of millon years by following this supposed narrow minded view of mine.

The word here is progress. We've survived by adapting and changing and not sticklign to the same old principles just becaue they got us through in the past.

Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt?

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