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Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt?

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  • #152
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    Two Irish mammies? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy :(

    On the other hand, it guarantees no bullying in school. What thicko would be stupid enough to mess with a kid with TWO Irish mammies! :D


  • #153
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    philologos wrote: »
    Preferrably as far as I see it it would be best if children lived and grew up with their biological parents. Unfortunately that's only an ideal.

    But does this not work on an assumption that all biological parents are suited to raising children?

    To be honest, i think your ideal is based on another ideal.


  • #154
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    But does this not work on an assumption that all biological parents are suited to raising children?

    To be honest, i think your ideal is based on another ideal.

    Well everyone who bears children aren't professional parents. However they are their children. In every crop of parents you get the good and the bad. It's a poor argument precisely for this reason.

    In terms of identity and belonging issues generally don't arise in the biological family unit because children know for sure who their parents are. This can't really be replicated in adoption.


  • #155
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    Spread wrote: »
    Again, the topic is Should Gay Parents Be Allowed To Adopt.

    okay how is having two same sex parents goin to affect a childs development differently to a child with hetro parents when there is very little difference between one parent families and hetro families?


  • #156
    Soups123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Soups123


    Plenty of children are raised happily and successfully with one parent, any child would be lucky to have two, sexual preference of the parent/s is irrelevant.


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  • #157
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    NTMK wrote: »
    okay how is having two same sex parents goin to affect a childs development differently to a child with hetro parents when there is very little difference between one parent families and hetro families?

    Very little?


  • #158
    Knight who says Meh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 464 ✭✭Knight who says Meh


    Gary4279 wrote: »
    Pretty good feeling i'm going to get destroyed for this but here goes...

    I'm all for gay people being allowed to get married and have equal rights as straight couples and i'm sure within the next few years this will be achieved.

    However, I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children. I just don't think it would be fair on the child to say for example have two fathers, and no mother figure. The child would more than likely be the subject of sever bullying in school.


    Next Poll. Should parents who tech their kids to be as bigoted and backward as they are be allowed send their kids to schools?.


  • #159
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    philologos wrote: »
    Very little?

    Show me a study where these are carried out on families of the same social class and ill believe them


  • #160
    Spread
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    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    lol, try telling kids with a loving single parent that they are an "unfortunate fact of life" and see how they respond. I think they might surprise you a little in how little they can see the unfortunate side of things.

    To be honest, i don't see it as a different discussion, but rather a possible growth and expansion of this one.

    Do you consider the addition of a same sex parent to be a bad influence on the child somehow?

    Please not, i am not trying to change your mind here, i am just trying to understand your argument better.

    The above underlined is a statistic. I never said anything about a loving single parent. Rates of Crime, Depression, Anti-social behaviour, School drop out etc. is far higher in this group. Now, to me that is unfortunate.
    But this again, is a different subject from the OP's. The reason I answered you is to scotch the slant you put on my quote.


  • #161
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    philologos wrote: »
    Very little?

    You googled "father absence" and just threw up the link as an argmeunt? The link to the seacrh reuslts, mind, not even to link to a specific artilce you couldn't even bother to click on yourself, let alone reading one of them? And not of the first three written in the lsat 35 years? Seriously?

    Jesus wept...

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #162
    triseke
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    Knight who says Meh wrote: »
    Gary4279 wrote: »
    Pretty good feeling i'm going to get destroyed for this but here goes...

    I'm all for gay people being allowed to get married and have equal rights as straight couples and i'm sure within the next few years this will be achieved.

    However, I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children. I just don't think it would be fair on the child to say for example have two fathers, and no mother figure. The child would more than likely be the subject of sever bullying in school.


    Next Poll. Should parents who tech their kids to be as bigoted and backward as they are be allowed send their kids to schools?.

    Im so sick of this argument. If Bullying was tackled correctly, no child would be bullied. Regardless.

    Just because a child is raised by same sex parents does not mean that they will be bullied in school.


  • #163
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    triseke wrote: »

    Im so sick of this argument. If Bullying was tackled correctly, no child would be bullied. Regardless.

    Just because a child is raised by same sex parents does not mean that they will be bullied in school.

    Compeltely agree. It's not like they're protesting McDonalds because ft kids might get bullied. Or stopping parents with ginger hair from preocrearting.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #164
    philologos
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    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    You googled "father absence" and just threw up the link as an argmeunt? The link to the seacrh reuslts, mind, not even to link to a specific artilce you couldn't even bother to click on yourself, let alone reading one of them? And not of the first three written in the lsat 35 years? Seriously?

    Jesus wept...

    In Google Scholar yes. You can look up the particular articles in JSTOR. I'm encouraging you to research before you post assumptions.

    If I didn't have other things to do perhaps I would quote extensively.


  • #165
    flyaway.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭flyaway.


    I am homosexual and hope some day to adopt a child with my partner.

    I mean, I have a father, a brother, I have uncles, my partner has a father, brothers and uncles, we have male friends... there isn't going to be some lack of men in our childrens' lives.

    And the bullying argument is stupid. A huge amount of kids these days only have one parent, or have step parents etc... kids really will NOT care if someone has two moms or two dads.


  • #166
    mayhemnow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭mayhemnow


    OP asks "Should Gay People Be Allowed to Adopt?"

    Newsflash, they already are! Single people can adopt in Ireland. Unmarried heterosexual couples cannot adopt, and neither can a gay couple adopt a child together. One of the couple adopts the child on their own, the partner has not rights. Many kids already being raised in same sex couples. This is hardly a new thing, legislation needs to be put in place to protect all types of family units!


  • #167
    NTMK
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    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    lol, try telling kids with a loving single parent that they are an "unfortunate fact of life" and see how they respond. I think they might surprise you a little in how little they can see the unfortunate side of things.

    Im one of them "unfortunate facts of life" and i consider myself very fortunate that my mother decided enough is enough and left my "father" instead of putting myself and my sister though the disfunctional family life my dad had with his "complete" family

    And nope i wasn't bullied about it you'd be suprised how little kids who have been raised by good parents give a **** about other kids family situation


  • #168
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Spread wrote: »
    The above underlined is a statistic. I never said anything about a loving single parent. Rates of Crime, Depression, Anti-social behaviour, School drop out etc. is far higher in this group. Now, to me that is unfortunate.
    But this again, is a different subject from the OP's. The reason I answered you is to scotch the slant you put on my quote.

    Cool, thanks for expanding on your points.

    Do you mind answering the question i asked you in my post?


  • #169
    jurahnimoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭jurahnimoh


    If the child is to be brought up in a stable environment wit loving parents then why not?


  • #170
    Spread
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    NTMK wrote: »
    okay how is having two same sex parents goin to affect a childs development differently to a child with hetro parents when there is very little difference between one parent families and hetro families?

    A natural environment (heterosexual parents) is the natural way to bring up children. I'm not quite sure that there is "very little difference" between one parent and heterosexual parent families. Again, read the statistics.
    And why all this harping back to one parent families? Read the banner in the OP's post.


  • #171
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    philologos wrote: »
    In Google Scholar yes. You can look up the particular articles in JSTOR. I'm encouraging you to research before you post assumptions.

    If I didn't have other things to do perhaps I would quote extensively.

    Judging by the fact that you are the second most frequent poster on this thread, I'd say you had plenty of time. If you don't have the time to form an argument and present a debate, you really should not be on an internet forum debating in the first place.

    And it's not MY job to research YOUR opinoin.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #172
    stephendevlin
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    steof1984 wrote: »
    Gay people should adopt Gay Babies

    And call them Gaybies :D


  • #173
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    If you don't have the time to form an debate, you really should not be on an internet forum debating in the first place.

    And it's not MY job to research YOUr opinoin.

    I've given you numerous articles that you can consult. Another poster said there was "very little" difference between single parents and a family with a mother and a father. This isn't true and there is a rake of research to show the differences. I've shown you where you can find it. As far as I'm concerned I've done a much better job in substantiating this than the other did.


  • #174
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    Spread wrote: »
    A natural environment (heterosexual parents) is the natural way to bring up children. I'm not quite sure that there is "very little difference" between one parent and heterosexual parent families. Again, read the statistics.
    And why all this harping back to one parent families? Read the banner in the OP's post.

    Natural way: yes Only way: No
    again stats more recent than 30 years ago along with a comparison of social status would be a lot better

    Its is relevent as the main problem should be how does it effect a childs development and needs a comparison of different family structures to evaluate it


  • #175
    BizzyC
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    In any adoption case the only thing that should be evaluated is the ability for the potential parents to care for the child.

    There is no reason why a gay couple is less capable of doing this than a straight couple.

    And for those who would argue that a straight couple is more natural and would do a better job, I dont see the same volume of these couples asking to adopt. There are a huge amount of children with no one to care for them currently. Even if you truely believe that a straight couple would do a better job, you can't argue that a loving gay couple would be worse than the child having no parents at all and growing up as part of a system.


  • #176
    Spread
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    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    Cool, thanks for expanding on your points.

    Do you mind answering the question i asked you in my post?

    Sorry! What question and which post? I thought I'd answered.


  • #177
    Spread
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    BizzyC wrote: »
    In any adoption case the only thing that should be evaluated is the ability for the potential parents to care for the child.

    There is no reason why a gay couple is less capable of doing this than a straight couple.

    And for those who would argue that a straight couple is more natural and would do a better job, I dont see the same volume of these couples asking to adopt. There are a huge amount of children with no one to care for them currently. Even if you truely believe that a straight couple would do a better job, you can't argue that a loving gay couple would be worse than the child having no parents at all and growing up as part of a system.

    This may not be unrelated to the same heterosexual couples being able to do what comes naturally.


  • #178
    Azureus
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    Is, in my opinion, a gay couple the ideal parentage for a child? No.
    Is, in my opinion, a single parent family ideal for a child? No.
    Is, in my opinion, an uphappy heterosexual relationship the ideal parentage for a child? No

    Yet how many people come from single parent families / divorced families / gay families and turn out to be perfectly healthy happy children and adults? I know many.

    How many people come from the supposed perfect family situation and turn out to be fecked up eejits? I know quite a few.

    When your growing up you dont know any better so all the stigma and prejudice that people assume is placed onto the child is very often not apparent to the child therefore doesnt affect them until they are old enough to deal with it. Everybody, once proven capable which adoption authorities check out, should be given a chance to parent a child regardless of their sexuality.


  • #179
    Taltos
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    Gary4279 wrote: »
    Ahh name calling, your the kind of person that make Irish people look stupid to the rest of the world.
    :) Thanks for the compliment I think.
    This is after hours, after all - as surely if you really expected or wanted a valid debate on such a nonsense topic you would have posted this thread to a more appropriate forum.

    Gary4279 wrote: »
    Its a valid argument that a lot of people agree with. Once again i'd like to point out that the point i'm making is that a child of a same sex couple wouldn't have the same advantages in life as one of a straight couple.
    > This is your opinion and you are welcome to it.
    I have another, however not wanting to get banned I shall withold it from this thread.
    Let me suggest though that just because a lot of people agree with an idea does not make it fact - oh let's see shall we - sun circling the flat earth - witches surviving being burnt at the stake - creationism over evolution.
    Gary4279 wrote: »
    I think we're a few years away from the 'modern family' concept.
    Modern family? Is that the one where the parents split, get back together, divorce, remarry, bring on new step-siblings, and repeat over and over?
    The only folk I know shouting about the modern family well - time for silence again - while this may be the right forum I am not going to use it to push my opinions on the religious members of our community who proclaim to love everyone but only if you fit their narrow margin for acceptance.

    I really don't see this thread going well. Maybe if we could all just accept that we all have equal rights as humans and put things like sexuality out of the way we would be better off.


  • #180
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    philologos wrote: »
    I've given you numerous articles that you can consult. Another poster said there was "very little" difference between single parents and a family with a mother and a father. This isn't true and there is a rake of research to show the differences. I've shown you where you can find it. As far as I'm concerned I've done a much better job in substantiating this than the other did.

    I can't comment on the previous poster, but you have not presented any argement yet. As I said, YOUR viewpoint, YOUR research. I am shown that you do have the time, but either not tthe desire or not the ability to research and form an opinion of your own. Presenting a link to toher peoples' arguments does not count.

    This is why I say I am yet to come across a convincing well researched argument against homosexual adoption: all I see is rehashed smokescreens from people who either pretend to know what they are talkign about, or who provide a badly researched premise that is easily contradicted.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #181
    Logical Fallacy
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    Spread wrote: »
    Sorry! What question and which post? I thought I'd answered.

    No worries, basically just wondering if you would see the presence of another same sex parent (lets say outside of the mother/father role filled by one member of a gay couple ) as being an additional hindrance or bad influence on the possible development or happiness of a child.


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