Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt?

Biggins · 24-06-2011 09:47AM

AnamGlas wrote: »

Well, ask yourself if you would like your child to be raised by a gay couple, if you were unable to raise him/her for any reason.

I have four kids - my answer is still YES.

What, because of their sexuality that makes them bad people?
O' yes, they are gay so any child in their care must be of course open to increased chances of abuse - and come on, lets not fcuk around the issue - thats what we are talking about here.
There is an underlying sub-conscious mentality that because someone has a different sexuality and one that you can't even belong to and thus fully understand because your not in the same category - well of course it must be a dis-advantage.
Hell, the poor kids are being put at greater risk!

Frankly - thats BOLLOX!

Some people need to grow up and kop themselves on.

CluelessGirl · 24-06-2011 09:49AM

Thats it I have decided I am going to bring my kids up GAY!

Everyone else has been brought up straight so why not!

I am gonna have super GAY kids.

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 09:49AM

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

I can't believe this: obviously none of the posters here have been watching Sky1's documentary "Modern Family":
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tvsquad.com/media/2010/11/modern-family-lily-abc.jpg

Yeah very funny show. The two gay men with the baby are probably everyone favorite because they live up to the stereotype that most gay people hate. At the end of the day that's a show, not real life. The show isn't going to tell us about when the child grows up and gets bullied for her entire school life.

Maybe in 20 years gay adoption might be plausible, but at the moment there is a sector of Irish society which wouldn't accept a gay couple raising a child. It's sad, because I think that people who adopt will obviously love a child probably a lot more than the average scummer that get pregnant ever 10 months. However it's only fair to think of the child not the couples.

Naikon · 24-06-2011 09:49AM

Why is this even a question? Of course.

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 24-06-2011 09:52AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

The show isn't going to tell us about when the child grows up and gets bullied for her entire school life.

Maybe in 20 years gay adoption might be plausible, but at the moment there is a sector of Irish society which wouldn't accept a gay couple raising a child. It's sad, because I think that people who adopt will obviously love a child probably a lot more than the average scummer that get pregnant ever 10 months. However it's only fair to think of the child not the couples.

20 years ago it wasn't acceptable for a single woman to raise a child.
20 years ago it wasn't acceptable for a mixed race couple to raise a child.

That doesn't make it right.

abouttobebanned · 24-06-2011 09:52AM

Biggins wrote: »

I have four kids - my answer is still YES.

What, because of their sexuality that makes them bad people?
O' yes, they are gay so any child in their care must be of course open to increased chances of abuse - and come on, lets not fcuk around the issue - thats what we are talking about here.
There is an underlying sub-conscious mentality that because someone has a different sexuality and one that you can't even belong to understand because your not in the same category - well of course it must be a dis-advantage.
Hell, the poor kids are being put at greater risk!

Frankly - thats BOLLOX!

Some people need to grow up and kop themselves on.

It's not about growing up, or kopping yourself on. I didn't have any strong feelings on this issue until I saw people like yourself there, who seem to believe that thinking it's preferable for a child to have a maternal parent over two gay men, is somehow Childish and idiotic.

People can say what they like on an internet forum, but I guarantee you that if you knew you were going to die in the morning and your newbord baby would be raised by two gay men, you wouldn't be best pleased.

And if someone brings the word homophobic into this argument they should be immediately chastised because it has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's the lack of a maternal figure that I'm concerned about, not the presence of two men.

sesna · 24-06-2011 09:52AM

Biggins wrote: »

What, because of their sexuality that makes them bad people?
O' yes, they are gay so any child in their care must be of course open to increased chances of abuse - and come on, lets not fcuk around the issue - thats what we are talking about here.

What was that??! Creates his own strawman and then knocks it down. It's clear from that post that Biggins thinks that any opponents to gay child adoption are homophobic and prejudiced. Pointless arguing with someone with such a narrow-minded entrenched position.

*Unsubscribes from another nonsense thread*

Tabnabs · 24-06-2011 09:54AM

Two Irish mammies? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy

stovelid · 24-06-2011 09:55AM

Outrageous idea.

Why send a child to a loving, stable home created by two people of the same sex?

At least when you see a kid being dragged around the Luas at 9pm by two dazed junkies on a winter's night, you can console yourself that they're hetero junkies.

Standards and all that.

Taltos · 24-06-2011 09:55AM

I vote we update this thread to "should stupid people be allowed to post on the internet?"

a) Yes - cause we all need a laugh
b) Ah - gawd bless, you iz santa's special little helper little didums
c) No - let's save the internet from their dirty little fingers
d) Huh - wuts the internet got to do with da post?

Leftist · 24-06-2011 09:55AM

Yep. Great debate on RTE about a year ago on Kenny's show thing. This debate really tends to polarise the tolerant and the retards of society. The age old line that the anti-homosexuals use that teh kids would be messed up were thrown back in their face as they introduced people in the crowd who were raised by same sex couples and who had developed into perfectly normal human beings wow.
The best part of that whole debate was a FFer from Wexford coming on and telling people that good CHristian Republicans would be opposed to such a travesty. He couldn't have come across as more manipulative of the lowest common denominators if he tried.

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 09:55AM

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

20 years ago it wasn't acceptable for a single woman to raise a child.
20 years ago it wasn't acceptable for a mixed race couple to raise a child.

That doesn't make it right.

I didn't say ot was wrong for a same sex couple to raise a child. What I said was that in Irish society the child would have a bad start in life as a result of it.

We can delude ourselves all we want as a society we're about 15 years behind America/Canada. And it's that delusion as a society, or a small sector of our society that would hinder a child.

Biggins · 24-06-2011 09:56AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

People can say what they like on an internet forum, but I guarantee you that if you knew you were going to die in the morning and your newbord baby would be raised by two gay men, you wouldn't be best pleased.

My wedding day best-man was/is gay. He and his partner IN AN INSTANT I would trust completely to adopt my four kids should something happen to my wife and I.
The question doesn't even arise.

There is still an under-current of complete misunderstanding on this issue and a lot of it is closeted bigotry, some of which is disguised in any number of tried to be, more justified ways to advance their stupidity.

NuMarvel · 24-06-2011 09:56AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

I'm all for gay people being allowed to get married and have equal rights as straight couples and i'm sure within the next few years this will be achieved.

Thanks, that's mighty big of you!

However, I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children.

Oh.... so equal rights for everyone, but some are more equal than others? And for clarity, I know that no-one has an automatic right to adopt. I just don't see why same-sex couples can't apply to adopt as a family, in the same way as a hetero couple.

I just don't think it would be fair on the child to say for example have two fathers, and no mother figure. The child would more than likely be the subject of sever bullying in school.

I'm pretty sure severe bullying already happens in schools. What other measures are you proposing to eliminate this?

And as for having no mother/father figure, I presume that you're suggesting that single parent families should be done away with as well?

I also think it could leave the child confused as to how relationships work and asking question as to why he/she has two dads where as everyone else has one mother and one father.

Well in that case, let's not confuse the child at all and ban same sex couples from being intimate in public. No handholding. No playful banter. No hugs. After all, that would just raise awkward questions as well, wouldn't it?

And I refer to my previous point about single parent families. Surely that's even more confusing given it's presumably more prevelant that same sex couples.

Now I know many will argue that its better for a child to be with a gay couple than in an orphanage but having looked into it a bit there are next to none in Ireland.

So rather than letting a child in one of these few orphanages have ANY chance that he or she would be raised by a loving couple, you would rather they were left sitting around for a couple that meets with your approval?

I know my argument may seem a bit backward but when I asked myself if I'd like to have had two father I definitely wouldn't have.

When you were growing up, did you inform your parents of the type of parents you wished to have? Did they conform to this requirement? If not did, what measures did you take to get them into line?

Bottle_of_Smoke · 24-06-2011 09:57AM

Bizarrely this is one issue where a boards thread actually changed my idea on the topic full circle.

The bullying thing - kids don't actually get bullied for being short/fat/black/gay parents/divorced parents etc. They get bullied because a bully is able to intimidate them because they may perhaps lack the confidence or self esteem to stop the bully.

There's a good bit of research showing children of gay male couples do not suffer from things like this, or go on to earn less, or develop problems compared to children of straight parents. Amusingly children of gay female couples tend to do better than children of straight couples under similar criteria

Annasopra · 24-06-2011 09:58AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

Are you seriously going to tell me a child of a gay couple isn't going to get tormented in school Most people get bullied in school, some are unlucky to get bullied more than others. But a child of a gay couple is 100% sure to get tormented for his whole school life.

Yeah, I had that in but it was too long, you get the idea stop looking for a reason to piss yourself.

on that basis we shouldn't allow black people to adopt cause the kids might get bullied

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 09:58AM

Taltos wrote: »

I vote we update this thread to "should stupid people be allowed to post on the internet?"

a) Yes - cause we all need a laugh
b) Ah - gawd bless, you iz santa's special little helper little didums
c) No - let's save the internet from their dirty little fingers
d) Huh - wuts the internet got to do with da post?

Ahh name calling, your the kind of person that make Irish people look stupid to the rest of the world.

Its a valid argument that a lot of people agree with. Once again i'd like to point out that the point i'm making is that a child of a same sex couple wouldn't have the same advantages in life as one of a straight couple.

I think we're a few years away from the 'modern family' concept.

stovelid · 24-06-2011 09:59AM

Leftist wrote: »

The age old line that the anti-homosexuals use that teh kids would be messed up were thrown back in their face as they introduced people in the crowd who were raised by same sex couples and who had developed into perfectly normal human beings wow.

The obvious rejoinder here is obviously that straight couples often end up with gay kids, why should it be taken for granted that gay couples would automatically raise gay kids.

As a man, I would say though that it's good for a boy to have a regular male role model in his life, especially if he's been brought up in a deprived area. That can obviously be an uncle or family friend though.

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 10:00AM

Johnnymcg wrote: »

on that basis we shouldn't allow black people to adopt cause the kids might get bullied

20 years ago I would have agreed, because they would have been bullied. But come on, I left school 4 years ago and racism is a thing of the past these days, especially among younger people.

Homophobia is a few years off the mark.

El Weirdo · 24-06-2011 10:01AM

cosanostra wrote: »

I think a child needs a mother and a father to give that balance! The breakdown of the family unit has serious social implications

So let's make it illegal for parents to divorce then.

Annasopra · 24-06-2011 10:02AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

20 years ago I would have agreed, because they would have been bullied. But come on, I left school 4 years ago and racism is a thing of the past these days, especially among younger people.

Homophobia is a few years off the mark.

Essentially you are saying then that society should accept racism and homophobia

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 10:03AM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Bizarrely this is one issue where a boards thread actually changed my idea on the topic full circle.

The bullying thing - kids don't actually get bullied for being short/fat/black/gay parents/divorced parents etc. They get bullied because a bully is able to intimidate them because they may perhaps lack the confidence or self esteem to stop the bully.

There's a good bit of research showing children of gay male couples do not suffer from things like this, or go on to earn less, or develop problems compared to children of straight parents. Amusingly children of gay female couples tend to do better than children of straight couples under similar criteria

I have no doubt in the reliability of this info. Children of same-sex couple are going to receive a higher quality of care from their parents because they will be 'wanted'.

However, i'd imagine this study took place in America or somewhere a bit more forward thinking than Ireland. Another few years and we'll be level.

Gary4279 · 24-06-2011 10:04AM

Johnnymcg wrote: »

Essentially you are saying then that society should accept racism and homophobia

No, Irish society has always been slow to accepting new ideas, we all know the reasons. FFS, homosexuality was illegal here until 1993.

What i'm saying is that we need to slowly move towards this idea until everyone agrees with it, and the children arn't harmed.

abouttobebanned · 24-06-2011 10:07AM

Biggins wrote: »

My wedding day best-man was/is gay. He and his partner IN AN INSTANT I would trust completely to adopt my four kids should something happen to my wife and I.
The question doesn't even arise.

There is still an under-current of complete misunderstanding on this issue and a lot of it is closeted bigotry, some of which is disguised in any number of tried to be, more justified ways to advance their stupidity.

Ah, you see now it makes sense. You see Biggins, you're biased. You happen to know of two gay people that you believe would be great parents. That's like saying (loose example of the top of my head) 15 year olds should be allowed to drive cause you know a 15 year old who drives better than most 30 year olds.

The two gay people that you know are not representative of every gay couple, obviously in the same way that one legal 18 year old driver is representative of all 18 year old drivers (Do ya get me?...I may be confusing the issue here slightly)

All I'm saying is that it's PREFERABLE for a child to have a maternal parent and for those that say it doesn't matter, I think are very wrong.

On the subject of should gay men be allowed to adopt, then I believe that all cases should be looked at closely, and individually.

Elba101 · 24-06-2011 10:07AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

Pretty good feeling i'm going to get destroyed for this but here goes...

I'm all for gay people being allowed to get married and have equal rights as straight couples and i'm sure within the next few years this will be achieved.

However, I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children. I just don't think it would be fair on the child to say for example have two fathers, and no mother figure. The child would more than likely be the subject of sever bullying in school.

I also think it could leave the child confused as to how relationships work and asking question as to why he/she has two dads where as everyone else has one mother and one father.

Now I know many will argue that its better for a child to be with a gay couple than in an orphanage but having looked into it a bit there are next to none in Ireland.

I know my argument may seem a bit backward but when I asked myself if I'd like to have had two father I definitely wouldn't have.

I don't understand why the child would be confused. The definition of family is no longer mother, father and 2 children and children should be reared to understand this. By your logic a straight couple can also leave a child confused about how relationships work.

Gay or straight, as long as the child is loved and cared for I don't see the problem.

Biggins · 24-06-2011 10:07AM

sesna wrote: »

What was that??! Creates his own strawman and then knocks it down. It's clear from that post that Biggins thinks that any opponents to gay child adoption are homophobic and prejudiced. Pointless arguing with someone with such a narrow-minded entrenched position.

Like the Norris thread where you repeatedly ONLY post that you want to twist - once again we see you doing the same pure low-level trolling stupid schite here.
(How many bans/warning have you gotten again in that other thread alone?)

I in my previous post state about bigotry AND people being uneducated/unknowledgeable in this matter - but hey, you once again edit my post only to make others look one way in your yet again- low level trolling fcuking schite.

Your posts NEVER being anything to debates.
Only edited twisted schite and more mental garbage so you can troll more.
Why your ass is not banned permanently is beyond me.

Liam Byrne · 24-06-2011 10:08AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

I have no doubt in the reliability of this info. Children of same-sex couple are going to receive a higher quality of care from their parents because they will be 'wanted'.

What ?????

If you said this about all adopted children, you might have a point, but the above is absolute rubbish.

Biggins · 24-06-2011 10:10AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Ah, you see now it makes sense. You see Biggins, you're biased...

No, I'm not biased.
I would trust them EQUALLY as I would any other type of couple.
Just because they are gay/lesbian/whatever don't make them out to an an automatic dis-advantge to any kid.

stovelid · 24-06-2011 10:10AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

Children of same-sex couple are going to receive a higher quality of care from their parents because they will be 'wanted'.

True.

I'm in a hereto relationship and I've been trying to sell my kids on eBay for years.

sesna · 24-06-2011 10:11AM

Biggins wrote: »

Like the Norris thread where you repeatedly ONLY post that you want to twist - once again we see you doing the same pure low-level trolling stupid schite schite here.
(How many bans/warning have you gotten again in that other thread alone?)

I in my previous post state about bigotry AND people being uneducated in this matter - but hey, you once again edit my post only to make others look one way in your yet again- low level trolling fcuking schite.

Your posts NEVER being anything to debates.
Only edited twisted schite and more mental garbage so you can troll more.
Why your ass is not banned permanently is beyond me.

Emotive outbursts bring nothing to the debate. Try to calm yourself Biggins.

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