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Woman found guilty of rape in hotel toilet

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    #302
    Fukuyama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    Napper Hawkins wrote: »
    Dr. Zeus wrote: »

    Racists aren't that picky.

    Yes they are. That's the whole jazz of it :rolleyes:


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    #303
    carlybabe1
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    oops


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    #304
    karma_
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    Occam wrote: »
    Perhaps a kind reading of what you are posting here would say that you are allowing your relationship with the defendent to cloud your judgement.

    However if you really do know the facts of the case well, you are totally misrepresenting the facts deliberately. Considering the alleged crime, it was a shameful act to leave out the following *facts* when you put forward your cock and bull story about the alleged victim only changing her mind after the event, and "being up for it":

    - DNA evidence contradicting the defendents original statement
    - Fresh Bruising on the alleged victims genitals, buttocks and chest
    - An independent witness reporting that she heard calls for help from the cubicle where the alleged rape occured.
    - An independent witenss investigating reported calls for help from the cubicle

    It is these key points which make your repeated assertions that this is one persons word against another totally untrue.

    While it is not our place to determine the guilt or innocence of anyone, its also not our place to undermine the claims of potential rape victim by omitting key details of an incident, and pushing a version of the story which is clearly incompatable with the 3rd party witness testimony at the trial.

    The alleged victims story has more holes than a thing with a hell of a lot of holes.


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    #305
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,335 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    karma_ wrote: »
    The alleged victims story has more holes than a thing with a hell of a lot of holes.

    When my wife read that story out loud last week I said it was an outrageously
    unsafe conviction, like a headline from a gutter tabloid. I could not believe such a conviction was given based on the evidence. Clearly the victim was game then decided after that she was not.... as she was not a lesbian....a case of having her cake and eating it. I thought Australia was in the 21st Century not the 18th?


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    #306
    Cill Dara Abu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Cill Dara Abu


    javaboy wrote: »
    I didn't know they were conducting trials in hotel toilets now.
    Havent lol'd like that in ages:D


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    #307
    Dangerous Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    It almost seems tasteless to say but this has been one of the funniest threads on boards I've read in quite some time. A thread about rape. Who'd a thunk it?


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    #308
    Occam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Occam


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Clearly the victim was game then decided after that she was not.

    The kissing was consensual. This is not disputed. However the penetration is disputed.

    The defendent initially denied it ever happened, saying she never touched the other person below the chest. However DNA evidence then proved she was lying.

    As regards whether the penetration was consensual, an independent witness claims to have heard the victim, screaming hysterically, for help. Also medical evidence showed significant bruising in the genital area.

    Still think the victim was game? Maybe she was... but it certainly isn't as cut and dry as some seem to be saying .


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    #309
    Bruthal
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    Ghandee wrote: »
    digital rape?

    Is this the next thing Sky have introduced?

    (makes mental note to never press the red button again!)

    Yea its the new pay per screw service.


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    #310
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,788 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Einhard wrote: »
    What an absolutely mental statement to make. The findings of juries should be disregarded because of their plebian outlooks, and instead we should take direction on criminal matters from anonymous posters on the internet? I know this is AH and all, but that's absurd. Larry Murphy was convicted by a jury. So was Catherine Nevin. Obviously miscarriages of justice there. :rolleyes:

    The attitude that some people here have about what constitutes consensual sex is pretty damn disturbing.
    Ann22 wrote: »
    If she was 'well up for it' why was she visibly upset leaving the cubicle? And why did she tell her boyfriend at all?

    And just because you 'know' this girl doesn't mean she's innocent of any wrong doing. How many rapists and murderers own family members don't know what they're capable of? She molested the other girl plain and simple. A 3min snog doesn't give anyone the right to prod about with your intimate areas. A man wouldn't get this deluge of defenders after doing the same thing.
    Einhard wrote: »
    Just like those men down in Kerry last year, knowing the rapist as they did, filed up to him in court after his conviction and, in front of the woman he had raped, shook his hand and commiserated eh? Someone is convicted of rape by a jury of their peers, but you know them personally so they couldn't possibly have done it! The mind boggles. With attitudes like yours it's little wonder that the rates for both the reporting and conviction of rape is so dismally low in this country.
    Einhard wrote: »
    So, he was falsely accused, and the truth won out in the end? Justice prevails and all that. Whereas, in this case, the woman was tried before an impartial jury of her peers and found guilty. I don't really see hw the two can be compared. Why is it that the findings of juries in cases of rape and sexual assault are always debated and disputed, yet there is no such reaction when they find against defendants in the murder cases or the like? People here are dragging up instances of false accusations of rape and related injustices as a means to cast doubt on the conviction, yet no one does so when it comes to murder and the like. A man had his conviction overturned for manslaughter after 3 decades last week; will people bring up the injustice of his case after every murder trial to cast doubt on the process? Unlikely really. But when it comes to rape trials there's no such misgivings- I know the person, he/she's not a rapist; the girl was asking for it; she never explicitly said no; I know someone who was falsely accused of rape...As I said, with such attitudes, where the victim has to fight not just the assailant but an often hostile public gallery, no wonder rape is such an underreported crime in this country.
    Einhard wrote: »
    No, you don't happen to know a bit more about his incident. Were you Australia at the time? Were you in the bloody cubicle? So how on earth could you possibly know more about the incident? You know the assailant. That's it. And if every rape trial was to be decided on the character testomony of those who knew the accused, then no one would ever be convicted. Do you think that rapists go around with their c*cks hanging out of trenchcoats, that when they're convicted everyone thinks "Ah shur, everyone knew that lad was a rapist"?! Of course not. The notion is absurd. The vast majority of rape and sexual assault are carried out by people who are as ordinary and unremarked upon as you and me. They don't exhibit predatory tendencies that people can acknowledge in hindsight. There are priests in prison or convicted in this country whose parishoners were horrified at the thought that they could have abused children. A case a few years back in my locality saw an eminently respectable family man plead guilty to the rape of a girl. No one thought it was in his character, and perhaps it would never have happened were he not drunk on the night; but, by your way of seeing things, he would never have been convicted, because those who knew him didn't think he was capable of doing what he did. It was only the victim's courage and, admittedly, his own shame and subsequent guilty plea, which saw justice prevail.

    So, forgive me, in the light of the character of rapists and abusers, if I scoff at the notion that personal acquaintance should trump impartial analysis of the facts by a jury. And forgive me if I think that your kind of thinking os one of the reasons why Ireland is such a cold house for victims of rape and abuse.

    All the charges were dropped and Ms O Loughlin was allowed walk free. Its good to see that some can see beyond their own noses and see the truth. Al of the above quoted should hang their heads in shame.


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    #311
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Seems the complainant will drop the charges:

    Rape charges to be dropped against Irish nurse Anne-Marie O'Loughlin | Herald Sun

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #312
    HellFireClub
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    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    ...having her cake and eating it....

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


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    #313
    kraggy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    Quazzie wrote: »
    All the charges were dropped and Ms O Loughlin was allowed walk free. Its good to see that some can see beyond their own noses and see the truth. Al of the above quoted should hang their heads in shame.

    She has walked free.

    However, it appears that the only reason the victim is not pressing ahead with the case anymore is because she is battling cancer.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/charges-to-be-dropped-against-woman-accused-of-raping-other-woman-in-hotel-toilet/story-e6frf7jx-1226078493844


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    #314
    prinz
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    Quazzie wrote: »
    All the charges were dropped and Ms O Loughlin was allowed walk free. Its good to see that some can see beyond their own noses and see the truth. Al of the above quoted should hang their heads in shame.

    LOL, the charges were dropped, she wasn't found innocent. The original convictions were only set aside because her legal team argued over a technicality and error by the judge. The last thing you can do is claim this as some sort of victory for O'Loughlin.


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    #315
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,788 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    prinz wrote: »
    LOL, the charges were dropped, she wasn't found innocent. The original convictions were only set aside because her legal team argued over a technicality and error by the judge.
    An error where he incorrectly lead the jury to find the defendant guilty. Were it not for that misdirection then the defendant could've very easily been found innocent.


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    #316
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Quazzie wrote: »
    An error where he incorrectly lead the jury to find the defendant guilty. Were it not for that misdirection then the defendant could've very easily been found innocent.

    He lead the jury to find her guilty did he? Is that why the same jury found her not guilty of another charge? Even if she "could very easily have been found innocent"... she wasn't... and the charges were dropped, but not because there was new evidence she was innocent so any attempt at self-congratulation or concluding that she was innocent all along is completely misplaced.


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    #317
    old_aussie
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    Ghandee wrote: »

    digital rape?

    yes, it's new technology, as opposed to analogue rape


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    #318
    melb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭melb


    old_aussie wrote: »
    yes, it's new technology, as opposed to analogue rape

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO offal offal offal.


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    #319
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,788 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    prinz wrote: »
    He lead the jury to find her guilty did he? Is that why the same jury found her not guilty of another charge? Even if she "could very easily have been found innocent"... she wasn't... and the charges were dropped, but not because there was new evidence she was innocent so any attempt at self-congratulation or concluding that she was innocent all along is completely misplaced.
    :rolleyes:
    According to the people I quoted the judicial system is correct so if she is walking free then I'll take it that she is innocent. ;)


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    #320
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Quazzie wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    According to the people I quoted the judicial system is correct so if she is walking free then I'll take it that she is innocent. ;)

    Take it anyway you want, it just reflects badly. Especially when you are trying to be a smart with others.


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    #321
    K-9
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    prinz wrote: »
    He lead the jury to find her guilty did he? Is that why the same jury found her not guilty of another charge? Even if she "could very easily have been found innocent"... she wasn't... and the charges were dropped, but not because there was new evidence she was innocent so any attempt at self-congratulation or concluding that she was innocent all along is completely misplaced.

    She was granted a retrial last week and bail so I assume something was unsafe about the conviction.

    The charges have now been dropped.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    prinz
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    K-9 wrote: »
    She was granted a retrial last week and bail so I assume something was unsafe about the conviction.The charges have now been dropped.

    Well yes. Nothing in what has transpired means that O'Loughlin is innocent of the charges however, which is my point.


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    #323
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,788 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    prinz wrote: »
    Take it anyway you want, it just reflects badly. Especially when you are trying to be a smart with others.

    Not trying to be smart. Just pointing out that an Irish woman, who is now en-route to Ireland is returning home to a country where despite an australian court not being successfully capable to convict her, she will always have the stigma attached to her because of it, and people like the ones I quoted, and no doubt yourself will always view her different. I'm just happy I knew her better than to doubt her. Unfortunately for her, there are plenty of others who won't grant her that grace.


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    #324
    Quazzie
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    prinz wrote: »
    Well yes. Nothing in what has transpired means that O'Loughlin is innocent of the charges however, which is my point.

    Innocent until proven guilty.

    She hasn't been proven guilty, therefore is innocent,.


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    #325
    prinz
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    Quazzie wrote: »
    Were it not for that misdirection then the defendant could've very easily been found innocent.

    She could've just as easily been found guilty. She could have been found guilty in the retrial. What part of that is difficult to grasp? She hasn't been found innocent... big difference.


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    #326
    Quazzie
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    prinz wrote: »
    She could've just as easily been found guilty. She could have been found guilty in the retrial. What part of that is difficult to grasp? She hasn't been found innocent... big difference.
    She is innocent by default. What part of THAT don't you understand?


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    #327
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Not trying to be smart. Just pointing out that an Irish woman, who is now en-route to Ireland is returning home to a country where despite an australian court not being successfully capable to convict her, she will always have the stigma attached to her because of it, and people like the ones I quoted, and no doubt yourself will always view her different. I'm just happy I knew her better than to doubt her. Unfortunately for her, there are plenty of others who won't grant her that grace.

    I don't know her from Adam so it's irrelevant how I viewed her or how I will view her in the future, which probably puts me in a better position to explain my position than you to be fair.


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    #328
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Quazzie wrote: »
    She is innocent by default. What part of THAT don't you understand?

    I grasp that and understand it, I am just not stupid enough to equate it with being found de facto innocent, and in doing so tell other posters to "hang their heads in shame" rather than let the thread fade into obscurity.


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    #329
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    prinz wrote: »
    I grasp that and understand it, I am just not stupid enough to equate it with being found de facto innocent, and in doing so tell other posters to "hang their heads in shame" rather than let the thread fade into obscurity.

    Would you ever just give over.

    Happy for the girl, glad her ordeal is over and it's so lifting to see the support her fellow countrymen have afforded her in what may have been a miscarriage of justice.


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    #330
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Innocent until proven guilty.
    That's a nice phrase, but we are know that she's only innocent if she didn't do it.


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    #331
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    dvpower wrote: »
    That's a nice phrase, but we are know that she's only innocent if she didn't do it.

    No, she is innocent if it was consensual.


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