Cannabis & Cancer... Cancer.GOV

BlueBaron · 19-06-2011 02:14AM

Captcha wrote: »

BTW since starting this thread I have been smoking something called "budder". It is 99% THC extracted directly from the plant. It leaves you with only the active ingredient, no plant materials or carcinogens. It is a pure clearstate high with immense creative waves.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3589.html

Pure active cannabis ingredient without big pharma. Scary thought isnt it?

You Lucky B*stard!

Captcha · 19-06-2011 02:15AM

BlueBaron wrote: »

You Lucky B*stard!

€lots / gram (because its illegal) but lasts ages, 3 weeks so far with me along with some other stuff in between, ahem, bubblehash

Sea Sharp · 19-06-2011 11:30AM

In summary:
Of course there's potential negative side-effects to smoking cannabis. Nobody denies this. It can cause paranoia and can trigger schizophrenia in some people.
So Why should it be legal??
Because if you put anything under the same scrutiny that cannabis gets it looks bad.

How many people die on the roads each year?. Should we ban cars?
How many people suffer health problems due to McDonalds?

Then with respect to cannabis being addictive, it's not physically addictive it's mentally addictive.
If you were to play Call of Duty every day for two years and then you suddenly stopped; the withdrawal symptoms from COD would be the same as the withdrawal symptoms from cannabis.

Of course there are negatives, but relatively speaking cannabis is not as bad as alcohol or tobacco.

And that's what p1sses everybody off. If the government want to protect us from anything with potential negative side effects then be consistent. Weed is less damaging than alcohol or tobacco, so what we should see is either a scenario where weed is illegal along with alcohol and tobacco or a scenario where weed is legal and regulated in the same way as alcohol and tobacco.

The conditions that lead to cannabis becoming illegal in the first place was nothing short of knackery trash-talk in the USA early in the last century by people with blindly obvious agendas in hind sight.

Captcha · 19-06-2011 12:59PM

Sea Sharp wrote: »

In summary:
Of course there's potential negative side-effects to smoking cannabis. Nobody denies this. It can cause paranoia and can trigger schizophrenia in some people.
So Why should it be legal??
Because if you put anything under the same scrutiny that cannabis gets it looks bad.

How many people die on the roads each year?. Should we ban cars?
How many people suffer health problems due to McDonalds?

Then with respect to cannabis being addictive, it's not physically addictive it's mentally addictive.
If you were to play Call of Duty every day for two years and then you suddenly stopped; the withdrawal symptoms from COD would be the same as the withdrawal symptoms from cannabis.

Of course there are negatives, but relatively speaking cannabis is not as bad as alcohol or tobacco.

And that's what p1sses everybody off. If the government want to protect us from anything with potential negative side effects then be consistent. Weed is less damaging than alcohol or tobacco, so what we should see is either a scenario where weed is illegal along with alcohol and tobacco or a scenario where weed is legal and regulated in the same way as alcohol and tobacco.

The conditions that lead to cannabis becoming illegal in the first place was nothing short of knackery trash-talk in the USA early in the last century by people with blindly obvious agendas in hind sight.

I agree with most of your post. However, new evidence is showing that (paranoia and schizophrenia) were mainly part of the propoganda machines as well.

B_Fanatic · 19-06-2011 02:48PM

Didn't I hear that marijuana just pushes those optimal for Schizophrenia over the edge? Wouldn't that mean making it public and require a license would make sense? That way those it might damage can steer clear, you don't hear about people with asthma swinging towards cigarrettes or people with nut allergies horsing into M & Ms so I think people would probably have enough sense to stay away from something life threatening if they were diagnosed as a potential Schizophrenia candidate.

I'd go as far as saying over 2/3s of young people have smoked weed. There are only two of us out of a fairly large group that haven't, and that might change fairly rapidly. I just don't want to potentially lose all motivation for my LC. I find it hard enough to study for the last 2 exams.

Sea Sharp · 19-06-2011 03:12PM

Captcha wrote: »

I agree with most of your post. However, new evidence is showing that (paranoia and schizophrenia) were mainly part of the propoganda machines as well.

The vast majority of smokers I know, myself included, have been hit with the paranoia at one stage or another. In fairness though it's usually just a sign that you need to take a break for a while. The link with schizophrenia has some truth to it. The link is exaggerated in the sense that we were given the impression that normal healthy people can suddenly and drastically go nuts and require medication for the rest of their lives. If there's a history of schizophrenia in your family, you should stay away from weed and other drugs.

Captcha · 19-06-2011 07:53PM

Sea Sharp wrote: »

The vast majority of smokers I know, myself included, have been hit with the paranoia at one stage or another. In fairness though it's usually just a sign that you need to take a break for a while. The link with schizophrenia has some truth to it. The link is exaggerated in the sense that we were given the impression that normal healthy people can suddenly and drastically go nuts and require medication for the rest of their lives. If there's a history of schizophrenia in your family, you should stay away from weed and other drugs.

Paranoia is generally associated with the particular strain of cannabis. Some people some strains are better. In decent countries where cannabis can be used medically, different strains are prescribed for different people. It is not a one size fits all scenario. If you get paranoid with Jack Herer, then you move to Island Sweet Skunk or something and if you are not paranoid, then continue on.

Regarding skitzophrenia, well obviously stay away from weed, alchohol, ciggis and anything that alters your mental state. Maybe even coffee!

Chuck Stone · 19-06-2011 08:59PM

So weed makes some people paranoid and helps people who have severe illness. These are not reasons why weed (or any drug ftm) should be (il)legal.

The reason drugs should be legal is because it's violent and immoral to kidnap people and deprive them of their liberty for partaking in what is in essence a totally victimless 'crime'.

If people support the prohibition of drugs then they lend their tacit approval to this violent, resource draining, taxpayers money feeding fenzy of a farce that is drug prohibition.

Captcha · 19-06-2011 11:34PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

So weed makes some people paranoid and helps people who have severe illness. These are not reasons why weed (or any drug ftm) should be (il)legal.

The reason drugs should be legal is because it's violent and immoral to kidnap people and deprive them of their liberty for partaking in what is in essence a totally victimless 'crime'.

If people support the prohibition of drugs then they lend their tacit approval to this violent, resource draining, taxpayers money feeding fenzy of a farce that is drug prohibition.

Yep, both you and me pay for the privilege of the customs and drug units to raid, confiscate drugs and criminalize normal tax paying workers like you and me. Then when that happens we go and give more money for more weed. It will never stop. Its so stupid. Society is a joke in so many ways but this is one of the most blatantly self destructive. I am happy to contribute to the destruction of society as long as society wants to be a ****.

maxell2010 · 20-06-2011 03:13PM

I've only recently discovered (through films: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1638943/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw; and a rake of corroborating reading since) that cannabis oil CURES cancer, MS and many, many other illnesses.

The fact that this has been known for decades by pharmaceutical companies and Governments has enraged me more than anything I've ever heard (and that's saying a lot, believe me).

Someone very close to me has MS and you can bet your b***** I will not be waiting for the moronic majority to wake the hell up and stop sending their beloved sons & daughters to be killed in hospitals with the latest legal (and expensive) stickyplaster - with as bad or worse side effects than the original illness.

This has to change, and as soon as f****** possible...

joseph brand · 20-06-2011 03:34PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

So you have no problem that certain percentage of your money that you will spend on weed could go towards paying for a killing or assault?

I also think it is childish and irresponsible to not think of where the supply it comes from. The fact that the buyers don't says more about cannabis users more than anything else tbh.

I could also argue that people working, pay taxes. These taxes go towards paying social welfare, which these gangs are probably collecting. So the criminals are going around buying whatever they want with your cash. Well done. Seems like a silly argument but your points are equally ridiculous.

Some people (who probably don't get out very often) believe that if Cannabis is legalized the world will be turned upside-down. Nobody will work, and cats and dogs will live together, followed by mass-hysteria. (taken from Bill Murray in Ghostbusters)

joseph brand · 20-06-2011 03:38PM

I'm just wondering, is the opposite, to making Cannabis illegal, making it compulsory. But all we smokers want is for it to be made legal so there is the choice. If I want it I can, if not, then don't. Simple.

For some reason when I try to envisage these anti-Cannabis posters I always picture someone who has been to Knock to see the great Joe Colman.

joseph brand · 20-06-2011 03:49PM

maxell2010 wrote: »

I've only recently discovered (through films: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1638943/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw; and a rake of corroborating reading since) that cannabis oil CURES cancer, MS and many, many other illnesses.

The fact that this has been known for decades by pharmaceutical companies and Governments has enraged me more than anything I've ever heard (and that's saying a lot, believe me).

Someone very close to me has MS and you can bet your b***** I will not be waiting for the moronic majority to wake the hell up and stop sending their beloved sons & daughters to be killed in hospitals with latest legal (and expensive) stickyplaster - with as bad or worse side effects than the original illness.

This has to change, and as soon as f****** possible...

There will always be plenty of 'sheep' among us, just the way it is. They believe the government has their best interests at heart, not their (TD's) bank accounts.
Pharmaceutical companies will always be more interested in treating ailments and sickness than finding a cure. Far more profitable.

My father told me before that the pharmaceutical companies held off on the tablets that get rid of stomach ulcers. He had one for years and was using Milk of Magnesia and drinking milk to ease the pain. Then they brought out the course of anti-biotics, which killed the ulcer in a week, I think. Before the tablets, the only option was to lance it off,(surgery), tube down the oesophagus.

joseph brand · 20-06-2011 04:08PM

Consider the murderous drug war in Mexico. In 2008, the Obama administration pledged $1.5 billion in equipment and training to aid. The results? The number of drug-related deaths rose to 15,273 in 2010, a 60 percent increase from the previous year. In fact, over the four years since Mexican president Felipe Calderon ordered 6,500 troops to engage the “enemy,” 34,612 people have died. Of those, 30,913 were execution-style killings. And still, despite US funding, the market for pot, ecstasy and meth grew

Source:
http://hightimes.com/legal/dskye/7137

The facts and figures speak for themselves. An Unwinnable war.

maxell2010 · 20-06-2011 07:46PM

joseph brand wrote: »

My father told me before that the pharmaceutical companies held off on the tablets that get rid of stomach ulcers.

The depths to which some people sink never ceases to disgust me... I wonder will Dr James Reilly be remotely open to the truth...

steddyeddy · 20-06-2011 07:59PM

Captcha wrote: »

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional

Over the past 50 years, cancers have been on the rise. Is it only a matter of junk, processed and cheap foods?

Last time I checked Ireland was very high for these types of cancers. Cannabis may not only be used in treatments but its increasingly becoming more obvious that cannabis, if consumed in the right way (vaporizer for example) can actually become a potent preventative medicine.

Normal combustion would never be a good idea. However, there have been very little studies and money available for researchers to even begin studies. Researchers will follow the money. Lets face it, corporations & pharma dont want us to use cannabis as it will in the long run massively effect their profits. Cannabis has been used for over 3000 years as a medicine. It is the only substance our bodies are hard wired to compliment. The oppression needs to end so that we can perform more and bigger clinical studies.

There are so many of our younger generation smoking now its unreal. The problem with this is that they can only get it from criminals and let me tell you, cannabis is almost as easy to get as alcohol and much easier to get than alcohol if you are under 18. This quality of marijuana is low and taken to another level altogether when you factor in all the toxins criminals here put into it to make it heavier in order to make more profit. These toxins are unknowns and people are harming themselves all over the country due to prohibition.

Personally I had something taken from me by the customs recently (personal amount). I had obtained the marijuana (medical grade) from another country. So all this confiscation did was to make me go down to local criminals to see what kind of stuff they had on offer. Thankfully this time it was clean so I bought it. I duplicated the same amount of money spent but on lower quality produce and funding criminals, making them more powerful and enriched. The also send the money out of the country to obtain their stocks but they jsut happen to be better at getting it into the country than me.

To be honest, this might sound a little bitter but it is my true feelings. I would rather see this society destroy itself with these ridiculous drug policies than to give up marijuana. This is a life decision that I will never change. I am 26 years old.

Were did you get that from?

ScumLord · 20-06-2011 08:16PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Were did you get that from?

I wouldn't necessarily agree with certainty of his statement but the cannabinoid receptor has been around even longer than the cannabis plant has from what I can remember. It's been with animals since we dragged ourselves out of the ocean onto land.

Really it's just one of those happy coincidences that eventually a plant came along that fitted that receptor perfectly. I may be wrong or misunderstanding though it's been a while since I saw that documentary, it was a BBC one.

Captcha · 21-06-2011 12:03AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Were did you get that from?

Your answer (BBC Horizon):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpV6licCOMw

BBC on Cannabis, enlighten:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHRHLX2Jqck

bc dub · 21-06-2011 12:37AM

a large majority of irish tokers are smoking contaminated weed. some are oblivious, some know exactly. this **** is most definitely not good PLUS they smoke it in 3 skin unfiltered johnny blue joints...hmmm...

Gigiwagga · 21-06-2011 01:12AM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

It will always be cheaper when it's mass produced, so dealers will just make it cheaper to keep the punters coming. And how ill you police that? It will not end drug dealing.

Perhaps there should be a campaign to get parents to do all in their power to stop their kids becoming users? A long shot but what's the harm in trying?

Whats this line of ****e you speak of, or are you unwilling to accept some home truths? Why would they clone me, because I won't be adding to the prison system crisis or mental health pandemic caused by cannabis use?

Seriously off the mark, is it really cheaper, or better to buy a crappy head of lettuce in a supermarket or grow your own, and grass is way easier to grow than lettuce. Dealers wouldn't bother their arses handling the stuff, waste of time. This would truly hurt their margins, markets and lifestyle, no question.
A campaign to stop kids using, haha, do you have kids? How successful are parents in getting their kids to refrain from risky sexual behaviour...yeah. That's the first I heard of a mental health pandemic caused by cannabis use. You should read up on the subject a little more carefully and thoroughly before posting on topics you know nothing about.

Legalise it, not at all a long shot, and absolutely no harm trying, previous tactics have kind of failed.

Captcha · 21-06-2011 02:57AM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Why would they clone me, because I won't be adding to the prison system crisis or mental health pandemic caused by cannabis use?

The only mental health pandemic around here is you, beasterly with uninformed BS comments like that one right there.

Fall into my arms, as they say...

maxell2010 · 21-06-2011 02:55PM

joseph brand wrote: »

I'm just wondering, is the opposite, to making Cannabis illegal, making it compulsory.

I'm wondering the same... As oils' preventative nature is well documented at this stage, if every man woman and child were prescribed it surely there would be a hideously big enough profit margin to interest the big pharma companies to produce and sell it (and prob raise life expectancy by its biggest jump in history while they're t it). How many people would actually bother to grow it themselves if you could buy it like milk down the local shop...

Imagine... no more depression, cancer, asthma, chronic pain, glaucoma, migraines, MS, tourette's, nausea etc etc etc virtually overnight...

Any organisations hassling our health minister about this??

Pace2008 · 21-06-2011 05:28PM

maxell2010 wrote: »

Imagine... no more depression, cancer, asthma, chronic pain, glaucoma, migraines, MS, tourette's, nausea etc etc etc virtually overnight...

Ah here now. Compulsory cannabis consumption? The end of illness as we know it?

Seriously, this is like the Left's answer to Reefer Madness. A bit of moderation, please. Ridiculous overexaggeration of weed's beneficial effects just undermines the credibility of the legalisation's side (which I'm very much on) of the argument.

maxell2010 · 21-06-2011 07:24PM

I don't blame you thinking it's a ridiculous overexaggeration... But the recent(?) findings have open-minded scientists and doctors declaring hash oil the biggest breakthrough since penicillin. It simply is a wonder drug.. unmatched by any other natural or man-made compound. There is no 'high' from the small drop taken daily, no side effects, and seemingly no one immune from it's healing and preventative qualities - it is successful against all illnesses mentioned above, and many that aren't (and obviously doesn't cure everything so no ones going to be living forever just yet...) The only thing undermining the credibility of the legalisation's side is the fact they don't seem to know how strong their side of the argument is...

maxell2010 · 21-06-2011 07:47PM

If its potentially so easy to greatly diminish killer illnesses' impact on society couldn't it be argued that it's absurd not to make it mandatory???

Pace2008 · 21-06-2011 08:29PM

maxell2010 wrote: »

I don't blame you thinking it's a ridiculous overexaggeration... But the recent(?) findings have open-minded scientists and doctors declaring hash oil the biggest breakthrough since penicillin. It simply is a wonder drug.. unmatched by any other natural or man-made compound.

This is something of a topic of interest of mine, and I'm not unfamiliar with the myriad of purported potential benefits associated with cannabis in its various forms, and as such I know you're exaggerating, both in terms of the benefit and the level of consensus amongst experts in the field.

There are benefits that are widely accepted - the alleviation of nausea and stimulation of appetite in patients undergoing chemotherapy, and the reduction of spasticity in MS patients, for example. It's bloody wrong that patients who would benefit from a treatment in which the benefit is fat outweighed by the risk factor, and I can only assume misguided morality and possibly financial motives are to blame.

But when, instead of saying something moderate like "Cannabis has been observed to reduce malignant cells in brain tumours, and could be a good lead in the fight against cancer" and instead earnestly claim that hash oil will completely eradicate cancer (which in reality is an umbrella term for thousands of diseases), that it will mean the end of all chronic pain (another umbrella term, not a specific illness), that it will categorically obliterate depression...well, I have to conclude you're getting carried away in your excitement and just seeing what you want to see.

maxell2010 wrote: »

If its potentially so easy to greatly diminish killer illnesses' impact on society couldn't it be argued that it's absurd not to make it mandatory???

Should people be force-fed 5 portions of fruit and vegetables per day?

RichieC · 21-06-2011 08:32PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ4MauvhRxM

Non brainwashed toadys will be happy to find part two on youtube.

ScumLord · 21-06-2011 08:36PM

Pace2008 wrote: »

But when, instead of saying something moderate like "Cannabis has been observed to reduce malignant cells in brain tumours, and could be a good lead in the fight against cancer" and instead earnestly claim that hash oil will completely eradicate cancer (which in reality is an umbrella term for thousands of diseases), that it will mean the end of all chronic pain (another umbrella term, not a specific illness), that it will categorically obliterate depression...well, I have to conclude you're getting carried away in your excitement and just seeing what you want to see.

That doesn't work in these daily mail times. You have to have incredible claims and shout them at people. ITS CURES CANCER!!!!! Dagnabbit!

slapbangwallop · 21-06-2011 09:09PM

Pace2008 wrote: »

Envisage a pair of sarcasm tags around my comment and read it again.

leave him alone will ya, he;s paranoid!

Captcha · 22-06-2011 02:14AM

The incidence of lung cancer in people who smoke cannabis was less than the incidence of people who smoke nothing at all.

Like I said, DONT combust, vaporize!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiP9LVtE9EY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sknoKWsVlAA

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