Cannabis & Cancer... Cancer.GOV

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http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional

One study in mice and rats suggested that cannabinoids may have a protective effect against the development of certain types of tumors. [3] During this 2-year study, groups of mice and rats were given various doses of THC by gavage. A dose-related decrease in the incidence of hepatic adenoma tumors and hepatocellular carcinoma was observed in the mice. Decreased incidences of benign tumors (polyps and adenomas) in other organs (mammary gland, uterus, pituitary, testis, and pancreas) were also noted in the rats. In another study, delta-9-THC, delta-8-THC, and cannabinol were found to inhibit the growth of Lewis lung adenocarcinoma cells in vitro and in vivo .[4] In addition, other tumors have been shown to be sensitive to cannabinoid-induced growth inhibition.

Over the past 50 years, cancers have been on the rise. Is it only a matter of junk, processed and cheap foods?

In addition, both plant-derived and endogenous cannabinoids have been studied for anti- inflammatory effects. A mouse study demonstrated that endogenous cannabinoid system signaling is likely to provide intrinsic protection against colonic inflammation. [13] As a result, a hypothesis that phytocannabinoids and endocannabinoids may be useful in the prevention and treatment of colorectal cancer has been developed.[14]

Last time I checked Ireland was very high for these types of cancers. Cannabis may not only be used in treatments but its increasingly becoming more obvious that cannabis, if consumed in the right way (vaporizer for example) can actually become a potent preventative medicine.

At present, there is insufficient evidence to recommend inhaling Cannabis as a treatment for cancer-related symptoms or cancer treatment–related side effects outside the context of well-designed clinical trials.

Normal combustion would never be a good idea. However, there have been very little studies and money available for researchers to even begin studies. Researchers will follow the money. Lets face it, corporations & pharma dont want us to use cannabis as it will in the long run massively effect their profits. Cannabis has been used for over 3000 years as a medicine. It is the only substance our bodies are hard wired to compliment. The oppression needs to end so that we can perform more and bigger clinical studies.

There are so many of our younger generation smoking now its unreal. The problem with this is that they can only get it from criminals and let me tell you, cannabis is almost as easy to get as alcohol and much easier to get than alcohol if you are under 18. This quality of marijuana is low and taken to another level altogether when you factor in all the toxins criminals here put into it to make it heavier in order to make more profit. These toxins are unknowns and people are harming themselves all over the country due to prohibition.

Personally I had something taken from me by the customs recently (personal amount). I had obtained the marijuana (medical grade) from another country. So all this confiscation did was to make me go down to local criminals to see what kind of stuff they had on offer. Thankfully this time it was clean so I bought it. I duplicated the same amount of money spent but on lower quality produce and funding criminals, making them more powerful and enriched. The also send the money out of the country to obtain their stocks but they jsut happen to be better at getting it into the country than me.

To be honest, this might sound a little bitter but it is my true feelings. I would rather see this society destroy itself with these ridiculous drug policies than to give up marijuana. This is a life decision that I will never change. I am 26 years old.

bigbudda

Alot of the stuff is homegrown here....its not as good but doesn't mean the money is being shipped abroad.....

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bigbudda wrote: »

Alot of the stuff is homegrown here....its not as good but doesn't mean the money is being shipped abroad.....

Of course there is homegrown stuff. I know for a fact that the guys I got it off import it. Also organised gangs country-wide prefer to import it. Its not even the gangs that contaminate it. Its usually the chavs down the chain who contaminate it trying to max their profits.

wild_cat

Captcha wrote: »

Of course there is homegrown stuff. I know for a fact that the guys I got it off import it.

Would you really want to divulge that kind of information on a public forum?

galwayrush

Wife found fresh veg lightly cooked, even better raw and tomatoes and grapes with seeds a massive help, it worked, and is perfectly legal.

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wild_cat wrote: »

Would you really want to divulge that kind of information on a public forum?

I don't run off with my tail between my legs.

I am proud that I smoke marijuana and not confined by the mis-placed "moral" perceptions of this country any more. Come, arrest me, take my wages (which all come from the UK) away from this economy for a spliff or two. Instead of approx xxK going in it will cost you 100K per year to imprison me "must be the smart economy, silly" :-)

Sea Sharp

Preachin' to the choir dude.

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Sea Sharp wrote: »

Preachin' to the choir dude.

wild_cat

Yeah. Sound. You smoke. Cool.

Pace2008

galwayrush wrote: »

Wife found fresh veg lightly cooked, even better raw and tomatoes and grapes with seeds a massive help, it worked, and is perfectly legal.

Yeah, but do they get you baked?

wild_cat wrote: »

Would you really want to divulge that kind of information on a public forum?

I'm sure the guards are tracing his IP as we speak.

Chuck Stone

And some people want to smoke it for the buzz.

The people who support the illegality of drugs are either sadists or making money from it imo.

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Pace2008 wrote: »

Yeah, but do they get you baked?

I'm sure the guards are tracing his IP as we speak.

The guards wouldn't have anything to do with it unless there was a speeding ticket or something involved. You don't even know how your own civil service works?

The "guards" as you call them do not need my IP. They know who I am and they know I smoke weed. Its as simple as that. To be fair to them, I don't get any hassle. The customs lady I spoke with regarding this agreed with my stance on marijuana.

Pace2008

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The guards wouldn't have anything to do with it unless there was a speeding ticket or something involved. You don't even know how your own civil service works?

The "guards" as you call them do not need my IP. They know who I am and they know I smoke weed. Its as simple as that. To be fair to them, I don't get any hassle.

Envisage a pair of sarcasm tags around my comment and read it again.

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Pace2008 wrote: »

Envisage a pair of sarcasm tags around my comment and read it again.

Ok sorry, thank you for your comment

ScumLord

Captcha wrote: »

This quality of marijuana is low and taken to another level altogether when you factor in all the toxins criminals here put into it to make it heavier in order to make more profit.

The quality of cannabis has gone up a lot in recent years, I think your more or less talking about soap (brown bar that you have to burn into spliffs) which at best contains a quarter of cannabis. This stuff is muck, people here call it hash but it's not, hash is a concentrated version of weed, it's the best you can get and nothing like soap. Quality weed in Ireland is the side effect of better customs controls at borders but shows that if you block one route there's always other ways to get through.


Medical cannabis is a no brainer, withholding it from terminal patients is disgusting.

galwayrush

Pace2008 wrote: »

Yeah, but do they get you baked?

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No, but they helped get her over her cancer.:)

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ScumLord wrote: »

The quality of cannabis has gone up a lot in recent years, I think your more or less talking about soap (brown bar that you have to burn into spliffs) which at best contains a quarter of cannabis. This stuff is muck, people here call it hash but it's not, hash is a concentrated version of weed, it's the best you can get and nothing like soap. Quality weed in Ireland is the side effect of better customs controls at borders but shows that if you block one route there's always other ways to get through.


Medical cannabis is a no brainer, withholding it from terminal patients is disgusting.

The weed seems like it is clean but to an experienced eye you will find it is in the large part contaminated by the criminals who sell it in the streets to make it heavier. its harder to distinguish in the weed unfortunately Killing our kids.

BEASTERLY

''Misplaced moral perceptions'':rolleyes:

So you think it's fine to support lowlife scumbag dealers who cant get a real job? Think about where your money is going, what will they spend it on? Bullets for their next murder?

People who think it's okay just because they don't harm anybody because they just smoking it are just naive.

If their was no demand their would be no supply, and how many lives could have been spared if there never was a drug trade? But there is no point saying this to you, firstly you're probably to stubborn to take notice and secondly, unfortunately one person stopping doesn't make a fúck bit of difference:(

mikom

BEASTERLY wrote: »

''Misplaced moral perceptions'':rolleyes:

That's what got us to the stage we are at already.

El Weirdo

Captcha wrote: »

The guards wouldn't have anything to do with it unless there was a speeding ticket or something involved. You don't even know how your own civil service works?

The "guards" as you call them do not need my IP. They know who I am and they know I smoke weed. Its as simple as that. To be fair to them, I don't get any hassle. The customs lady I spoke with regarding this agreed with my stance on marijuana.

Ming?

Lefticus Loonaticus

Chuck Stone wrote: »

And some people want to smoke it for the buzz.

The people who support the illegality of drugs are either sadists or making money from it imo.

Theres a whole industry around illegal drugs, it works in their favor so they wanna keep it the way it is. The guards, the alcohaul industry, the judicery, the prison services, customs, the right wing politicians and the drug gangs. They are all creaming it at our expense and they aint gonna give it up any time soon.

BEASTERLY

mikom wrote: »

That's what got us to the stage we are at already.

And making it acceptable for everybody to go out any feed the gang wars with their money is going to help us how?

mikom

BEASTERLY wrote: »

And making it acceptable for everybody to go out any feed the gang wars with their money is going to help us how?

Individual growers licence for 3 plants 250 Euro a year.
There's the end to your cannabis gang wars.

To solve other gang wars you'll have to ask someone else.

You've been fed a line of shite about the gang wars by the way.
If the government could clone lads like you they would.

BEASTERLY

mikom wrote: »

Individual growers licence for 3 plants 250 Euro a year.
There's the end to your cannabis gang wars.

To solve other gang wars you'll have to ask someone else.

You've been fed a line of shite about the gang wars by the way.

It will always be cheaper when it's mass produced, so dealers will just make it cheaper to keep the punters coming. And how ill you police that? It will not end drug dealing.

Perhaps there should be a campaign to get parents to do all in their power to stop their kids becoming users? A long shot but what's the harm in trying?

Whats this line of ****e you speak of, or are you unwilling to accept some home truths? Why would they clone me, because I won't be adding to the prison system crisis or mental health pandemic caused by cannabis use?

ScumLord

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''Misplaced moral perceptions'':rolleyes:

So you think it's fine to support lowlife scumbag dealers who cant get a real job? Think about where your money is going, what will they spend it on? Bullets for their next murder?

That's a problem with the law, I like cannabis, there's no reason in the world why I shouldn't smoke it, if the government don't like me giving money to the criminals (although anyone who touches cannabis is a criminal so the word loses meaning here) legalise it and I'll be happy to buy it through legal channels. Just like with products that come from slave labour you can't expect the end user who wants the product to consider the ins and outs of how the product get's to them, it's like expecting a cow to know the ins and outs of how grass grows. They don't care they just want the grass. Like it or not that's the facts people are going to use cannabis.

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The weed seems like it is clean but to an experienced eye you will find it is in the large part contaminated by the criminals who sell it in the streets to make it heavier. its harder to distinguish in the weed unfortunately Killing our kids.

I think the contaminated weed has been blown out of proportion. I haven't come across it lately and if the growers want to make their weed heavier just send it out before it's dried properly (which they're doing) and you double the weight easily without any effort.

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It will always be cheaper when it's mass produced, so dealers will just make it cheaper to keep the punters coming. And how ill you police that? It will not end drug dealing.

You cannot mass produce anything without the government knowing, mass production will only come with legalisation.

mikom

BEASTERLY wrote: »

It will always be cheaper when it's mass produced, so dealers will just make it cheaper to keep the punters coming. And how ill you police that? It will not end drug dealing.

Worked for alcohol.
Not too many poitin stills around these days.

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Perhaps there should be a campaign to get parents to do all in their power to stop their kids becoming users? A long shot but what's the harm in trying?

Agreed, children should not smoke cannabis, tobacco, or consume alcohol........... unless it is altar wine.

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Whats this line of ****e you speak of, or are you unwilling to accept some home truths?

The constant linking of cannabis to gangs and gang warfare.
It's nothing like that on the ground.......... away from the tabloids and liveline.
Where do you get your information?

Lefticus Loonaticus

BEASTERLY wrote: »

It will always be cheaper when it's mass produced, so dealers will just make it cheaper to keep the punters coming. And how ill you police that? It will not end drug dealing.

Perhaps there should be a campaign to get parents to do all in their power to stop their kids becoming users? A long shot but what's the harm in trying?

Whats this line of ****e you speak of, or are you unwilling to accept some home truths? Why would they clone me, because I won't be adding to the prison system crisis or mental health pandemic caused by cannabis use?

Cannabis is only the property of drug gangs because of government policy.

People who smoke weed are not 'users' any more than people down the pub are.

BEASTERLY

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That's a problem with the law, I like cannabis, there's no reason in the world why I shouldn't smoke it, if the government don't like me giving money to the criminals (although anyone who touches cannabis is a criminal so the word loses meaning here) legalise it and I'll be happy to buy it through legal channels.

So you have no problem that certain percentage of your money that you will spend on weed could go towards paying for a killing or assault?

I also think it is childish and irresponsible to not think of where the supply it comes from. The fact that the buyers don't says more about cannabis users more than anything else tbh.

BEASTERLY

mikom wrote: »

The constant linking of cannabis to gangs and gang warfare.
It's nothing like that on the ground.......... away from the tabloids and liveline.
Where do you get your information?

So cannabis is not imported by the same scum that import every other drug as well? How are the people that import and sell cannabis any different than those that import and sell heroin? I doubt you would find any decent people doing it anyway!

ScumLord

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So you have no problem that certain percentage of your money that you will spend on weed could go towards paying for a killing or assault?

Have you no problem that a certain proportion of your money goes towards the enslavement and beating of children to put coffee on your table and clothes on your back?

Cannabis isn't the problem, the law creates the playground for people to profit out of it outside of civilised society.

There's nothing wrong with growing or using cannabis it's only a law that creates the problem of organised crime. That's the problem not my cannabis use.

mikom

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So cannabis is not imported by the same scum that import every other drug as well? How are the people that import and sell cannabis any different than those that import and sell heroin? I doubt you would find any decent people doing it anyway!

I've highlighted the parts which are for the most part inaccurate.
Anyone who is not sheltered but out and about will know this.
Any connection with heroin has been forced by the current prohibition regime.

An all too common senario:

John an out of work plumber grows a few cannabis plants...... not poppies.... but cannabis.
He smokes some himself and sells a bit to his neighbor Bob, which helps him pay for the electricity and leaves a bit of spending money to keep house and home together.
Far from gangland.

Snowc

Cannabis is completely harmless (after a certain age),I read that you have more of a chance dying in a plane crash than you do smoking cannabis.

mikom

Snowc wrote: »

Cannabis is completely harmless (after a certain age),I read that you have more of a chance dying in a plane crash than you do smoking cannabis.

Or storm chasing.

AnalogueKid

BEASTERLY wrote: »

It will always be cheaper when it's mass produced, so dealers will just make it cheaper to keep the punters coming. And how ill you police that? It will not end drug dealing.

You clearly know nothing about cannabis. It costs €300 an oz of well-cured hydroponic herbal cannabis. Cheap my eye. It's far cheaper when you grow it yourself. Excellent hydroponic systems can be hand-built from cheap items from Woodies. If you decriminalise the act of germinating three hemp seeds per household it would drastically reduce money going to people who produce and import on a mass scale (the criminal gangs, foreign and homegrown). That's why several western European countries and several US states have decriminalised small-scale private cultivation.

NOTHING will end drug dealing, but there are ways to reduce it and manage it without dumping otherwise law-abiding citizens in prison or dragging them through the courts at the expense of the taxpayer. Nearly 7% of Irish people use cannabis at least once a year.

I've known a lot of ganja smokers in my life but I've never met one who ended up in a mental institution as you seem to believe is the norm for anyone who has a toke. I've known a few people who've lost their mind and some who died as a direct result of alcohol use and I had a few relatives who died prematurely due to smoking cigarettes.

I'll stick to Máire Sinéad, thank you.

Chuck Stone

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''Misplaced moral perceptions'':rolleyes:

Do you think it's moral that a person be kinapped and deprived of their liberty for smoking weed?

Lefticus Loonaticus

BEASTERLY wrote: »

I also think it is childish and irresponsible to not think of where the supply it comes from. The fact that the buyers don't says more about cannabis users more than anything else tbh.

Wasn't the census done by the same corperation/company that was running a torture camp in Iraq? Did you fill out your forms?

Do we not aid and abet the US military by letting them use Shanon to commit abduction, torture and mass murder?

Many products you buy in a chemist abuse animals horrendously in tests before they are marketed. Isn't it wrong and illegal to abuse animals under Irish law?

When you buy cigarettes, you give more money to the tobacco companies to make even more cigarettes, which then kill even more people with cancers and heart disease. Are smokers complicit in mass murder?

When people give money to the catholic church each week, does not some of that money end up being used in court against the victims of abuse?

Weed smokers are only apart of the chain because the law includes them against their will. They are certainly not childish or irresponsible. Those connotations are better reserved for the ones who keep cannabis(and other drugs) illegal and thus fuel the world wide market to the detriment of humanity.

Lefticus Loonaticus

Snowc wrote: »

Cannabis is completely harmless (after a certain age),I read that you have more of a chance dying in a plane crash than you do smoking cannabis.

There has never been one single recorded death from smoking cannabis, ever. People die from cancer with the tobacco they put in joints.

Snowc

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

There has never been one single recorded death from smoking cannabis, ever. People die from cancer with the tobacco they put in Joints.

But there has being from plane crashes .

Lefticus Loonaticus

Snowc wrote: »

But there has being from plane crashes .

Maybe the pilot was stoned .

RussellTuring

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''Misplaced moral perceptions'':rolleyes:

So you think it's fine to support lowlife scumbag dealers who cant get a real job?

On the contrary, I'd imagine most cannabis users would like to see the drug legalised for this very reason. They wouldn't be able to make money from it if it were legal. Legitimate business people would.

Think about where your money is going, what will they spend it on? Bullets for their next murder?

Not likely put possibly. This wouldn't be the case if it were legal either.

People who think it's okay just because they don't harm anybody because they just smoking it are just naive.

How so?

If their was no demand their would be no supply, and how many lives could have been spared if there never was a drug trade?

Exactly. The fact is, the only reason people sell cannabis is because so many people want to buy it, despite the risks involved at every level of the industry. What will it take for you to realise that some people want to get high and that this is entirely their decision? Your question should be "how many lives could have been spared if there never was drug prohibition?".

But there is no point saying this to you, firstly you're probably to stubborn to take notice and secondly, unfortunately one person stopping doesn't make a fúck bit of difference:(

Right back at ya.

galwayrush

There's more money to be made as a prostitute then selling drugs, A Hooker makes more money because she can just wash her crack and use it again.

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http://documentaryheaven.com/the-life-and-crimes-of-citizen-ming/

This is brilliant and hilarious!! It really shows some mad things in Irish society. It has found its way on to many international documentary websites already!

Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan is an Irish politician and social campaigner. He began his political career running unsuccessfully as an independent candidate in the Galway West constituency in 1997, and went on to contest the Connaught Ulster constituency in the European elections of 1999 and the Longford-Roscommon constituency in the 2002 Dáil election. On none of these occasions did he reach two per cent of the vote.

He was not portrayed by the media as a serious candidate, shaving his hair and styling his beard in the way of Ming the Merciless from the film Flash Gordon. His posters and other election material featured cannabis leafs, and legalisation of the plant was one of his main policy platforms. He voiced uncompromising support for radical social and environmental issues, and displayed a knack for using the media, being featured in many newspapers and radio programmes who were attracted by his colourful appearance and strong rhetoric.

In 2001 he hit the headlines when he sent more than 200 cannabis cigarettes to politicians in the Oireachtas, one to each TD and senator, as part of his campaign to have cannabis legalised.

He returned to his native Castlerea and contested the 2004 local elections, and was elected to Roscommon County Council, topping the poll and getting elected on the first count, defeating sitting councilors John Murray and Danny Burke. He was re-elected on the first count in June 2009, receiving 16.8% of 1st preference votes in his Castlerea electoral area, and exceeding the quota by 394 votes.

ancapailldorcha

Complementary and Alternative Medicine is the biggest crock of sh!t in the land. It's been proven time and time again that it's no better than a placebo. Any benefits could most likely be explained by the herb making people with cancer feel better.

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ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Complementary and Alternative Medicine is the biggest crock of sh!t in the land. It's been proven time and time again that it's no better than a placebo. Any benefits could most likely be explained by the herb making people with cancer feel better.

Wow you really have the blinders on.

ScumLord

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Complementary and Alternative Medicine is the biggest crock of sh!t in the land. It's been proven time and time again that it's no better than a placebo. Any benefits could most likely be explained by the herb making people with cancer feel better.

Which is the point. Cannabis isn't really alternitive or complimentary in the way your making out. It's a drug with actual effects on the body.

Your arguement would make morphine redundant because all it does is make people feel better.

Cannnabis is a drug with proven effects there's no placebo here at all.

ancapailldorcha

From what reading I've done, whether or not there are any benefits is still being researched.

ScumLord wrote: »

Your arguement would make morphine redundant because all it does is make people feel better.

Well, no. It's when people starting using it as a treatment instead of proper therapy that it becomes a problem. There is nothing wrong with taking it whatsoever.

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ancapailldorcha wrote: »

From what reading I've done, whether or not there are any benefits is still being researched.

Yes we need more research and less artificial hurdles. However the research is growing increasingly toward beneficial effects and preventative effects.

ScumLord

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

From what reading I've done, whether or not there are any benefits is still being researched.

No the research has been done over the past 30 years it's just the governments that banned it in the first place don't like the results and keep asking for more tests that will say what they want them to say. Which just isn't science.

ScumLord

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Well, no. It's when people starting using it as a treatment instead of proper therapy that it becomes a problem. There is nothing wrong with taking it whatsoever.

Lets go back to what he said.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Complementary and Alternative Medicine is the biggest crock of sh!t in the land. It's been proven time and time again that it's no better than a placebo. Any benefits could most likely be explained by the herb making people with cancer feel better.

He's claiming cannabis has no effect outside of a placebo, which is clearly untrue for a start. But making someone feel good is the basics of any pain relief. When cannabis is used as a pain reliever it is as valid as morphine. It doesn't do the same job as morphine but it does relieve certain types of pain.

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ancapailldorcha wrote: »

From what reading I've done, whether or not there are any benefits is still being researched.



Well, no. It's when people starting using it as a treatment instead of proper therapy that it becomes a problem. There is nothing wrong with taking it whatsoever.

Several controlled clinical trials have been performed and meta-analyses of these support a beneficial effect of cannabinoids (dronabinol and nabilone) on chemotherapy -induced nausea and vomiting (N/V) compared with placebo.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page5

You must only read what you want to read. Either that or you read everything but only see 2%.

ancapailldorcha

ScumLord wrote: »

Lets go back to what he said.

He's claiming cannabis has no effect outside of a placebo, which is clearly untrue for a start. But making someone feel good is the basics of any pain relief. When cannabis is used as a pain reliever it is as valid as morphine. It doesn't do the same job as morphine but it does relieve certain types of pain.

No, I'm claiming CAM is no better than a placebo. If cannabis had no effect on the body, nobody would be using it. In cases like cancer, yeah it can help patients feel better which is important, but treatments which focus on actually dealing with the cause of the disease are much more important though from some of these references in this article, some of the compounds in cannabis could be extracted and used for this purpose.