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Snowc · 18-06-2011 10:17PM

Cannabis is completely harmless (after a certain age),I read that you have more of a chance dying in a plane crash than you do smoking cannabis.

mikom · 18-06-2011 10:18PM

Snowc wrote: »

Cannabis is completely harmless (after a certain age),I read that you have more of a chance dying in a plane crash than you do smoking cannabis.

Or storm chasing.

AnalogueKid · 18-06-2011 10:21PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

It will always be cheaper when it's mass produced, so dealers will just make it cheaper to keep the punters coming. And how ill you police that? It will not end drug dealing.

You clearly know nothing about cannabis. It costs €300 an oz of well-cured hydroponic herbal cannabis. Cheap my eye. It's far cheaper when you grow it yourself. Excellent hydroponic systems can be hand-built from cheap items from Woodies. If you decriminalise the act of germinating three hemp seeds per household it would drastically reduce money going to people who produce and import on a mass scale (the criminal gangs, foreign and homegrown). That's why several western European countries and several US states have decriminalised small-scale private cultivation.

NOTHING will end drug dealing, but there are ways to reduce it and manage it without dumping otherwise law-abiding citizens in prison or dragging them through the courts at the expense of the taxpayer. Nearly 7% of Irish people use cannabis at least once a year.

I've known a lot of ganja smokers in my life but I've never met one who ended up in a mental institution as you seem to believe is the norm for anyone who has a toke. I've known a few people who've lost their mind and some who died as a direct result of alcohol use and I had a few relatives who died prematurely due to smoking cigarettes.

I'll stick to Máire Sinéad, thank you.

Chuck Stone · 18-06-2011 10:23PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

''Misplaced moral perceptions'':rolleyes:

Do you think it's moral that a person be kinapped and deprived of their liberty for smoking weed?

Lefticus Loonaticus · 18-06-2011 10:46PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

I also think it is childish and irresponsible to not think of where the supply it comes from. The fact that the buyers don't says more about cannabis users more than anything else tbh.

Wasn't the census done by the same corperation/company that was running a torture camp in Iraq? Did you fill out your forms?

Do we not aid and abet the US military by letting them use Shanon to commit abduction, torture and mass murder?

Many products you buy in a chemist abuse animals horrendously in tests before they are marketed. Isn't it wrong and illegal to abuse animals under Irish law?

When you buy cigarettes, you give more money to the tobacco companies to make even more cigarettes, which then kill even more people with cancers and heart disease. Are smokers complicit in mass murder?

When people give money to the catholic church each week, does not some of that money end up being used in court against the victims of abuse?

Weed smokers are only apart of the chain because the law includes them against their will. They are certainly not childish or irresponsible. Those connotations are better reserved for the ones who keep cannabis(and other drugs) illegal and thus fuel the world wide market to the detriment of humanity.

Lefticus Loonaticus · 18-06-2011 10:48PM

Snowc wrote: »

Cannabis is completely harmless (after a certain age),I read that you have more of a chance dying in a plane crash than you do smoking cannabis.

There has never been one single recorded death from smoking cannabis, ever. People die from cancer with the tobacco they put in joints.

Snowc · 18-06-2011 10:49PM

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

There has never been one single recorded death from smoking cannabis, ever. People die from cancer with the tobacco they put in Joints.

But there has being from plane crashes .

Lefticus Loonaticus · 18-06-2011 10:50PM

Snowc wrote: »

But there has being from plane crashes .

Maybe the pilot was stoned

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RussellTuring · 18-06-2011 10:55PM

BEASTERLY wrote: »

''Misplaced moral perceptions'':rolleyes:

So you think it's fine to support lowlife scumbag dealers who cant get a real job?

On the contrary, I'd imagine most cannabis users would like to see the drug legalised for this very reason. They wouldn't be able to make money from it if it were legal. Legitimate business people would.

Think about where your money is going, what will they spend it on? Bullets for their next murder?

Not likely put possibly. This wouldn't be the case if it were legal either.

People who think it's okay just because they don't harm anybody because they just smoking it are just naive.

How so?

If their was no demand their would be no supply, and how many lives could have been spared if there never was a drug trade?

Exactly. The fact is, the only reason people sell cannabis is because so many people want to buy it, despite the risks involved at every level of the industry. What will it take for you to realise that some people want to get high and that this is entirely their decision? Your question should be "how many lives could have been spared if there never was drug prohibition?".

But there is no point saying this to you, firstly you're probably to stubborn to take notice and secondly, unfortunately one person stopping doesn't make a fúck bit of difference:(

Right back at ya.

galwayrush · 18-06-2011 11:19PM

There's more money to be made as a prostitute then selling drugs, A Hooker makes more money because she can just wash her crack and use it again.

Captcha · 19-06-2011 12:00AM

http://documentaryheaven.com/the-life-and-crimes-of-citizen-ming/

This is brilliant and hilarious!! It really shows some mad things in Irish society. It has found its way on to many international documentary websites already!

Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan is an Irish politician and social campaigner. He began his political career running unsuccessfully as an independent candidate in the Galway West constituency in 1997, and went on to contest the Connaught Ulster constituency in the European elections of 1999 and the Longford-Roscommon constituency in the 2002 Dáil election. On none of these occasions did he reach two per cent of the vote.

He was not portrayed by the media as a serious candidate, shaving his hair and styling his beard in the way of Ming the Merciless from the film Flash Gordon. His posters and other election material featured cannabis leafs, and legalisation of the plant was one of his main policy platforms. He voiced uncompromising support for radical social and environmental issues, and displayed a knack for using the media, being featured in many newspapers and radio programmes who were attracted by his colourful appearance and strong rhetoric.

In 2001 he hit the headlines when he sent more than 200 cannabis cigarettes to politicians in the Oireachtas, one to each TD and senator, as part of his campaign to have cannabis legalised.

He returned to his native Castlerea and contested the 2004 local elections, and was elected to Roscommon County Council, topping the poll and getting elected on the first count, defeating sitting councilors John Murray and Danny Burke. He was re-elected on the first count in June 2009, receiving 16.8% of 1st preference votes in his Castlerea electoral area, and exceeding the quota by 394 votes.

ancapailldorcha · 19-06-2011 12:18AM

Complementary and Alternative Medicine is the biggest crock of sh!t in the land. It's been proven time and time again that it's no better than a placebo. Any benefits could most likely be explained by the herb making people with cancer feel better.

Captcha · 19-06-2011 12:26AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Complementary and Alternative Medicine is the biggest crock of sh!t in the land. It's been proven time and time again that it's no better than a placebo. Any benefits could most likely be explained by the herb making people with cancer feel better.

Wow you really have the blinders on.

ScumLord · 19-06-2011 12:35AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Complementary and Alternative Medicine is the biggest crock of sh!t in the land. It's been proven time and time again that it's no better than a placebo. Any benefits could most likely be explained by the herb making people with cancer feel better.

Which is the point. Cannabis isn't really alternitive or complimentary in the way your making out. It's a drug with actual effects on the body.

Your arguement would make morphine redundant because all it does is make people feel better.

Cannnabis is a drug with proven effects there's no placebo here at all.

ancapailldorcha · 19-06-2011 12:52AM

From what reading I've done, whether or not there are any benefits is still being researched.

ScumLord wrote: »

Your arguement would make morphine redundant because all it does is make people feel better.

Well, no. It's when people starting using it as a treatment instead of proper therapy that it becomes a problem. There is nothing wrong with taking it whatsoever.

Captcha · 19-06-2011 12:54AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

From what reading I've done, whether or not there are any benefits is still being researched.

Yes we need more research and less artificial hurdles. However the research is growing increasingly toward beneficial effects and preventative effects.

ScumLord · 19-06-2011 12:57AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

From what reading I've done, whether or not there are any benefits is still being researched.

No the research has been done over the past 30 years it's just the governments that banned it in the first place don't like the results and keep asking for more tests that will say what they want them to say. Which just isn't science.

ScumLord · 19-06-2011 01:04AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Well, no. It's when people starting using it as a treatment instead of proper therapy that it becomes a problem. There is nothing wrong with taking it whatsoever.

Lets go back to what he said.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Complementary and Alternative Medicine is the biggest crock of sh!t in the land. It's been proven time and time again that it's no better than a placebo. Any benefits could most likely be explained by the herb making people with cancer feel better.

He's claiming cannabis has no effect outside of a placebo, which is clearly untrue for a start. But making someone feel good is the basics of any pain relief. When cannabis is used as a pain reliever it is as valid as morphine. It doesn't do the same job as morphine but it does relieve certain types of pain.

Captcha · 19-06-2011 01:08AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

From what reading I've done, whether or not there are any benefits is still being researched.

Well, no. It's when people starting using it as a treatment instead of proper therapy that it becomes a problem. There is nothing wrong with taking it whatsoever.

Several controlled clinical trials have been performed and meta-analyses of these support a beneficial effect of cannabinoids (dronabinol and nabilone) on chemotherapy -induced nausea and vomiting (N/V) compared with placebo.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page5

You must only read what you want to read. Either that or you read everything but only see 2%.

ancapailldorcha · 19-06-2011 01:14AM

ScumLord wrote: »

Lets go back to what he said.

He's claiming cannabis has no effect outside of a placebo, which is clearly untrue for a start. But making someone feel good is the basics of any pain relief. When cannabis is used as a pain reliever it is as valid as morphine. It doesn't do the same job as morphine but it does relieve certain types of pain.

No, I'm claiming CAM is no better than a placebo. If cannabis had no effect on the body, nobody would be using it. In cases like cancer, yeah it can help patients feel better which is important, but treatments which focus on actually dealing with the cause of the disease are much more important though from some of these references in this article, some of the compounds in cannabis could be extracted and used for this purpose.

ScumLord · 19-06-2011 01:22AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

No, I'm claiming CAM is no better than a placebo. If cannabis had no effect on the body, nobody would be using it. In cases like cancer, yeah it can help patients feel better which is important, but treatments which focus on actually dealing with the cause of the disease are much more important.

Sorry I didn't take note that I was quoting yourself.

As pain relieve It's effects are obvious and beneficial. As a cure for cancer I'm not sure, the problem being certain groups are dead set against cannabis being recognised in any way shape or form as a legitimate treatment.

I'd be pretty sure the evidence has already been gathered, the fact no organisation has come out and publicly said it's definitely not true is telling. We have plenty of people giving evidence that cannabis has real benefits but only crackpots working off misinformation from the 50s telling us otherwise.

Captcha · 19-06-2011 01:25AM

ScumLord wrote: »

Sorry I didn't take note that I was quoting yourself.

As pain relieve It's effects are obvious and beneficial. As a cure for cancer I'm not sure, the problem being certain groups are dead set against cannabis being recognised in any way shape or form as a legitimate treatment.

I'd be pretty sure the evidence has already been gathered, the fact no organisation has come out and publicly said it's definitely not true is telling. We have plenty of people giving evidence that cannabis has real benefits but only crackpots working off misinformation from the 50s telling us otherwise.

+1

mikom · 19-06-2011 01:26AM

ScumLord wrote: »

As pain relieve It's effects are obvious and beneficial.

The Morning Show presenters Martin King and Aisling O’Loughlin with person with Multiple Sclerosis Brendan Rigter and Multiple Sclerosis Ireland’s Communications Manager Taragh Donohoe

Brendan Rigter, a Kerry native, uses cannabis to control the 'electric-shock' tremors he experiences in his legs. Recently prosecuted for growing cannabis the single dad to three kids speaks about his experience and his thoughts on the medicinal use of cannabis for others with MS.

Link to view here.....
http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=themorningshow&tv3_preview=&video=36700

The legalisation of cannabis has been highlighted again as person with MS Brendan Rigter speaks about his experience of being prosecuted for using cannabis for his MS related tremors.

B_Fanatic · 19-06-2011 01:30AM

I think I read somewhere that cannabis is the most researched plant in the world. Something like 27000 articles/inquiries about it or something. All of the information is there, its just people saying "I agree that it is good! But we just don't know enough!" in order to win over but the weedsmokers and opposers among their voters.

And the reason a lot of these articles aren't posted in pop media is because of sponsors. Industries that benefit from the oppression of legalisation of cannabis can threaten to bail on a sponsorship deal or an advertisement contract if the media doesn't play ball like they want. That's how the media is controlled. Newspapers make money from advertisements, not the actual sales.

Captcha · 19-06-2011 01:43AM

mikom wrote: »

The Morning Show presenters Martin King and Aisling O’Loughlin with person with Multiple Sclerosis Brendan Rigter and Multiple Sclerosis Ireland’s Communications Manager Taragh Donohoe

Brendan Rigter, a Kerry native, uses cannabis to control the 'electric-shock' tremors he experiences in his legs. Recently prosecuted for growing cannabis the single dad to three kids speaks about his experience and his thoughts on the medicinal use of cannabis for others with MS.

Link to view here.....
http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=themorningshow&tv3_preview=&video=36700

The legalisation of cannabis has been highlighted again as person with MS Brendan Rigter speaks about his experience of being prosecuted for using cannabis for his MS related tremors.

This is shocking.. Crazy, stupid stupid society.

mikom · 19-06-2011 01:45AM

Captcha wrote: »

This is shocking.. Crazy, stupid stupid society.

Let no holy joes speak of morality when there is persecution like that going on.
This fuckin' country is upside down.

ScumLord · 19-06-2011 01:53AM

mikom wrote: »

Let no holy joes speak of morality when there is persecution like that going on.
This fuckin' country is upside down.

Politicians hiding behind bureaucracy as usual. They have no interest in the people, just their own careers.

Captcha · 19-06-2011 01:54AM

mikom wrote: »

The Morning Show presenters Martin King and Aisling O’Loughlin with person with Multiple Sclerosis Brendan Rigter and Multiple Sclerosis Ireland’s Communications Manager Taragh Donohoe

Brendan Rigter, a Kerry native, uses cannabis to control the 'electric-shock' tremors he experiences in his legs. Recently prosecuted for growing cannabis the single dad to three kids speaks about his experience and his thoughts on the medicinal use of cannabis for others with MS.

Link to view here.....
http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=themorningshow&tv3_preview=&video=36700

The legalisation of cannabis has been highlighted again as person with MS Brendan Rigter speaks about his experience of being prosecuted for using cannabis for his MS related tremors.

This guys shows up the whole scam for all to see.

If this guy is "lucky" enough the government could allow a drug made by pharma companies called sativex which is extracted and [mixed?] with whatever to make a pill. This will cost the tax payer or the person who needs it at least €11 per day. This guy was perfectly fine self medicating with growing his own cannabis free and organically in his garden.

Want to pay for air as well as water charges, much?

Can people see the fallacy in policy yet???

Captcha · 19-06-2011 02:02AM

BTW since starting this thread I have been smoking something called "budder". It is 99% THC extracted directly from the plant. It leaves you with only the active ingredient, no plant materials or carcinogens. It is a pure clearstate high with immense creative waves.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3589.html

Pure active cannabis ingredient without big pharma. Scary thought isnt it?

mikom · 19-06-2011 02:04AM

Sativex is cannabis. It is the product of two strains of the plant, one sativa grown to be high in THC, one ruderalis grown to high in CBD.

The medicine is manufactured by a CO2 extraction process which uses ethanol to precipitate a tincture of cannabis containing all the cannabinoids, terpenoids and other compounds present in the plant. GW Pharma led the government to believe that Sativex is an extract of THC and CBD, some sort of sophisticated pharmaceutical preparation but this is not true. It is pharmacologically identical to the cannabis grown illegally in people’s own homes or by government approved growers in Holland, 16 US states or Israel.

Sativex is sold at something like 10 times the price that the organised crime bosses charge.for the same product on the streets of Britain. An identical medicine can be grown easily and safely in people’s own homes or greenhouses for virtually nothing. It is a confidence trick to pretend Sativex is anything different.

http://clear-uk.org/ms-patients-denied-licensed-cannabis-drug-by-nhs-the-guardian-30th-may-2011/

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