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Gay Pride festival begins in Dublin

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  • #32
    stovelid
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    Spacedog wrote: »
    Not sure many would join your Hetro-white supremacist-sausage-fest rally though.

    It sounds like you have become what you profess to hate.


  • #33
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Spacedog wrote: »
    You are free to organise one.
    Not sure many would join your Hetro-white supremacist-sausage-fest rally though.

    The GAA begs to differ.


  • #34
    KnifeWRENCH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭KnifeWRENCH


    Azureus wrote: »
    I saw this last night..that LGBT was being called LGBTQ now and had to look it up to verify the Q meant queer. Fair play to them reclaimuing the word and turning it on its head an all that, but if they wanna add a letter for every word thats slang for gay the acronym is gonna lose its catchiness!

    LGBT is outdated and non-inclusive. QUILTBAGPIPE is where we're at now! :p

    http://yada.wikia.com/wiki/QUILTBAGPIPE

    Oh and as an LGBT person myself I can't stand "Gay Pride". It has very little to do with marching for civil rights anymore, it's mostly just an excuse to get drunk and perpetuate the stereotypes that all gay men are camp, all gay women are butch and all trans people are like drag queens. :rolleyes:


  • #35
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    KnifeWRENCH wrote: »
    Oh and as an LGBT person myself I can't stand "Gay Pride". It has very little to do with marching for civil rights anymore, it's mostly just an excuse to get drunk and perpetuate the stereotypes that all gay men are camp, all gay women are butch and all trans people are like drag queens. :rolleyes:

    Do you not think it also show's people that its ok to flaunt those things too?.

    I remember working door's years ago when clubs had maybe one 'gay night' per month, and it was always referred to with a snigger.

    Now people feel free to celebrate their homosexuality, although I'm straight and I might have a different outlook on it than you - but I think its great.


  • #36
    Chuchoter
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    http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1ah5p1j241qzu1fpo1_500.jpg
    This.


    Otherwise, I'm not a huge person for pride. I don't think its serves its purpose anymore. It should be more political. I also dislike how big the acronym is getting, especially when they go putting in a for allies (yes straight people, you too can join our acronym).
    Makikomi
    Do you not think it also show's people that its ok to flaunt those things too?.

    I remember working door's years ago when clubs had maybe one 'gay night' per month, and it was always referred to with a snigger.

    Now people feel free to celebrate their homosexuality, although I'm straight and I might have a different outlook on it than you - but I think its great.
    I think pride has turned into an excuse for straight people to point and laugh. Like last year, all my straight friends went and spent the whole things making fun of one of my friends there. I didn't even go and I'm the only gay one there.


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  • #37
    Badgermonkey
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    crayolastereo wrote: »
    I think pride has turned into an excuse for straight people to point and laugh.

    I think KnifeWrench's point was that the march is not truly representative of the wider gay community, though many straight folk assume it to be so.


  • #38
    Chuchoter
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    Badgermonkey wrote: »
    I think KnifeWrench's point was that the march is not truly representative of the wider gay community, though many straight folk assume it to be so.

    I know, I agree with him. People might say that most people look totally normal, but as you say, straight people are going to assume that the pictures of drag queens and naked men printed in the paper are representative of us.


  • #39
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    crayolastereo wrote: »
    I think pride has turned into an excuse for straight people to point and laugh. Like last year, all my straight friends went and spent the whole things making fun of one of my friends there. I didn't even go and I'm the only gay one there.

    You can't say that about all straight people based on the attitudes and actions of a group of ignorant arseholes.

    I'm still working the door's, in a well known rock & metal bar - which isn't the place you'd normally associate gay tolerant people, but I can honestly say with my hand on heart that if that carry on went on in there your straight friends would be put in their place fairly quickly - honest they sound like pricks.

    I've a thread from about two months back (don't ask me to use boards.ie awful search engine to find it) about a gay bashing which happened outside the bar.. People in the bar were genuinely shocked & upset that this lad (who was very obviously gay) got beat up for being gay.

    I don't think there'll be any pink leathers, or jeans worn tonight, or pink ribbons in pony tails - but no one will point and laugh either.


  • #40
    rainbow kirby
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    I prefer QUILTBAGPIPE. :pac:


  • #41
    Badgermonkey
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    crayolastereo wrote: »
    straight people are going to assume that the pictures of drag queens and naked men printed in the paper are representative of us.

    I'm not gay and don't have any friends/colleagues who are (to the best of my knowledge).

    The stereotypes - camp men, butch women, seem a minority who exert a disproportionate influence on gay culture and by extension the 'straight' perception of the gay community.

    Why is that so? Is it because they are more militant or simply more vocal/visible?


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  • #42
    CitizenKeane
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    mikom wrote: »
    The GAA begs to differ.

    :rolleyes:

    The O Hailpíns? Jason Sherlock? Donal Og Cusack?


  • #43
    KnifeWRENCH
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    Imani Scarce Ghost wrote: »
    Do you not think it also show's people that its ok to flaunt those things too?.

    I remember working door's years ago when clubs had maybe one 'gay night' per month, and it was always referred to with a snigger.

    Now people feel free to celebrate their homosexuality, although I'm straight and I might have a different outlook on it than you - but I think its great.

    I don't see why sexuality is something to be "flaunted", though. At least not under the banner of some misguided notion that you're battling homophobia. I don't like campness but I've no problem with people behaving that way if that's how they are; live and let live. But when they're acting as if they're representative of LGBT people as a whole....that is what annoys me about these pride marches.

    I'm not saying Pride should be banned or anything; it probably is a positive experience for many people. I just think it's counterproductive and implies that LGBT people are some form of alien species rather than showing that we're just normal folk who happen to be gay or bi or trans. And the way the media protray it doesn't help; you don't see the regular folk marching in the newspapers. Instead, you see the topless guys wearing thongs and drag queens in rainbow coloured dresses, and this is the image people get of what being gay means.

    I don't celebrate my sexuality, nor is it something I'm proud of (which is why the name Pride really annoys me.) That doesn't mean I'm ashamed of it though, because I'm not. But it's not an accomplishment or an achievement so why should I be proud? I just don't think sexuality should be something that defines people, and that's why pride is not for me.


  • #44
    Antisocialiser
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    CitizenKeane wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    The O Hailpíns? Jason Sherlock? Donal Og Cusack?

    Ladies football, Camogie also :)


  • #45
    Dun
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    Badgermonkey wrote: »
    I'm not gay and don't have any friends/colleagues who are (to the best of my knowledge).

    The stereotypes - camp men, butch women, seem a minority who exert a disproportionate influence on gay culture and by extension the 'straight' perception of the gay community.

    Why is that so? Is it because they are more militant or simply more vocal/visible?

    Because they stick out like a sore thumb!


  • #46
    Rachiee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Rachiee


    think the Q was added to LGBT for people who felt like a member of the community but didnt identify themselves with the labels lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.

    I thinks its about being inclusive as well as reclaiming the word it does seem a bit silly to me though.

    many lesbians have also reclaimed the word dyke but again its still extrememly offensive for anyone other than a lesbian to use it, and many lesbian are still uncomfortable with it havingnever reclaimed it.


  • #47
    superfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭superfish


    :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqSlPQkz9Sw


  • #48
    mikom
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    CitizenKeane wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    The O Hailpíns? Jason Sherlock? Donal Og Cusack?

    United Colors of Benetton altogether.


  • #49
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Rachiee wrote: »
    think the Q was added to LGBT for people who felt like a member of the community but didnt identify themselves with the labels lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.

    Shouldnt the whole thing be against labelling people?


  • #50
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    KnifeWRENCH wrote: »
    I don't see why sexuality is something to be "flaunted", though. At least not under the banner of some misguided notion that you're battling homophobia. I don't like campness but I've no problem with people behaving that way if that's how they are; live and let live. But when they're acting as if they're representative of LGBT people as a whole....that is what annoys me about these pride marches.

    I'm not saying Pride should be banned or anything; it probably is a positive experience for many people. I just think it's counterproductive and implies that LGBT people are some form of alien species rather than showing that we're just normal folk who happen to be gay or bi or trans. And the way the media protray it doesn't help; you don't see the regular folk marching in the newspapers. Instead, you see the topless guys wearing thongs and drag queens in rainbow coloured dresses, and this is the image people get of what being gay means.

    I don't celebrate my sexuality, nor is it something I'm proud of (which is why the name Pride really annoys me.) That doesn't mean I'm ashamed of it though, because I'm not. But it's not an accomplishment or an achievement so why should I be proud? I just don't think sexuality should be something that defines people, and that's why pride is not for me.

    Maybe it would help if you weren't so uptight, relax and have the craic.

    Its all it is, is a bit of craic.. No need to go getting militant or uptight over it.

    St.Patricks day is the same, how many tee shirts and hats etc say 'Proud to be Irish' etc - the day is about having the craic, not feeling any particular pride in what you are.

    Anyway, I've said my bit on it.. As a straight bloke I love Gay Pride for the craic of it all.


  • #51
    CitizenKeane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭CitizenKeane


    mikom wrote: »
    United Colors of Benetton altogether.

    What point are you trying to make?
    You inferred that the GAA is exclusively a white, male, straight organisation.
    I pointed out 3 high profile examples that make rubbish of your accusation. I'm sure there are hundreds of other less well-known examples.


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  • #52
    mikom
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    CitizenKeane wrote: »
    What point are you trying to make?
    You inferred that the GAA is exclusively a white, male, straight organisation.
    I pointed out 3 high profile examples that make rubbish of your accusation. I'm sure there are hundreds of other less well-known examples.

    Calm down dear.


  • #53
    orourkeda
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  • #54
    Killer Pigeon
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    Is writing the word "ghey" as a derogatory term (e.g., "Those cars are so ghey") seen as bad as writing the word "gay" in the same light?


  • #55
    CitizenKeane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭CitizenKeane


    mikom wrote: »
    Calm down dear.

    Grand, so you were talking ****e. As long as it's clear to everyone that you hadn't a balls notion what you were talking about :)


  • #56
    mikom
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    CitizenKeane wrote: »
    Grand, so you were talking ****e. As long as it's clear to everyone that you hadn't a balls notion what you were talking about :)

    Bulls notion
    The irony.

    http://www.slang.ie/index.php?county=all&entry=i+don%27t+have+a+bulls+notion&letter=I


  • #57
    CitizenKeane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭CitizenKeane


    Rachiee wrote: »
    think the Q was added to LGBT for people who felt like a member of the community but didnt identify themselves with the labels lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.

    I thinks its about being inclusive as well as reclaiming the word it does seem a bit silly to me though.

    many lesbians have also reclaimed the word dyke but again its still extrememly offensive for anyone other than a lesbian to use it, and many lesbian are still uncomfortable with it havingnever reclaimed it.

    So what's a queer if it's none of the LGBT categories? :confused:


  • #58
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    CitizenKeane wrote: »
    So what's a queer if it's none of the LGBT categories? :confused:

    Pansexual or genderqueer, or just someone who isn't too fond of labels.


  • #59
    Pherekydes
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    Imani Scarce Ghost wrote: »
    Maybe it would help if you weren't so uptight, relax and have the craic.

    You shouldn't dismiss someone's opinion with the 'uptight' label just because the guy doesn't agree with you.


  • #60
    CitizenKeane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭CitizenKeane


    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    Pansexual or genderqueer, or just someone who isn't too fond of labels.

    Oh dear, you're going to have to explain these a bit if you don't mind. Completely new words to me!
    Pansexual - sounds a bit like bisexual?
    Genderqueer - dunno...


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  • #61
    CitizenKeane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭CitizenKeane


    mikom wrote: »
    Bulls notion
    The irony.

    http://www.slang.ie/index.php?county=all&entry=i+don%27t+have+a+bulls+notion&letter=I

    Sidestep.


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