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When atheists go too far

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    #1172
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Boooooooooooooooo. That is all.


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    #1173
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    bastados wrote: »
    Most atheists I know are dull people lacking any real intellectual or instinctual depth.

    You need to expand your social circle a bit there mate.


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    #1174
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    Malty_T wrote: »
    In all honesty as explanations go that's pretty poor and somewhat misleading. Artistically good maybe.

    Fair enough
    im not a physicist and i found that to be the clearest explaination of the demensions. But if its wrong its wrong:o


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    #1175
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    bastados wrote: »
    Most atheists I know are dull people lacking any real intellectual or instinctual depth.

    Lacking in intellectual depth because they don't believe a fairy tale? Yea that makes sense.


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    #1176
    bastados
    Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭bastados


    sensibleken wrote: »
    actually i thought you were taking the píss because i didnt think anyone would actually think that athiests have no imagination and live in a 2D world.



    So you know boring people. get new friends then.



    huh? you never seen so much life as in the world? thats hardly suprising.
    and a metaphor for what?

    1. I was for the most part but yet to find any really good free thinkers godless people.

    2. everyone has friends , family and neighbors that see life differently

    3. a metaphor is a bridging mechanism


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    #1177
    bastados
    Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭bastados


    steve06 wrote: »
    Lacking in intellectual depth because they don't believe a fairy tale? Yea that makes sense.

    lame...NTMK just said the same thing...need your imagination topping up?


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    #1178
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Malty_T wrote: »
    You need to expand your social circle a bit there mate.

    There's a lot of that going around.


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    #1179
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    bastados wrote: »
    1. I was for the most part but yet to find any really good free thinkers godless people.

    2. everyone has friends , family and neighbors that see life differently

    3. a metaphor is a bridging mechanism

    1. okey dokey. I have never met an albanian. im pretty sure they exist though
    2. if you only know boring people perhaps thats your problem, that you only attrack boring people
    3. yes thank you i know what a metaphor is. your metaphor doesnt work though because its not clear what its a metaphor for, hence the 'metaphor for what?'


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    #1180
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    prinz wrote: »
    There's a lot of that going around.

    Social Revolutions.


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    #1181
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    bastados wrote: »
    lame...NTMK just said the same thing...need your imagination topping up?

    So it's fine thanks, I have a good imagination without having to believe in a false god.

    Also, by saying that theists have more of an imagination you're implying that they're making it up.


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    #1182
    bastados
    Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭bastados


    steve06 wrote: »
    So it's fine thanks, I have a good imagination without having to believe in a false god.

    Also, by saying that theists have more of an imagination you're implying that they're making it up.

    you're actually stating there is a true god by by implying there isnt a false one :D
    you're also implying I believe in one.
    ...ah logic , where is thy sting?

    imagination helps you see the world as it is...visit an art gallery for proof of same.


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    #1183
    Seachmall
    Registered Users Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    bastados wrote: »
    lame...NTMK just said the same thing...need your imagination topping up?

    In a debate there is always someone you wish wasn't on your side. You are that person.

    Sympathies to Philologos as his position will undoubtedly be tarnished with your 'arguments'.

    Good day, sir. May the Lord have mercy on your soul.


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    #1184
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    bastados, the smell of troll of you is overwhelming.


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    #1185
    moneyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭moneyman


    steve06 wrote: »
    So it's fine thanks, I have a good imagination without having to believe in a false god.

    Also, by saying that theists have more of an imagination you're implying that they're making it up.

    Exactly what I was going to say. Watch him try to squirm out of it, though.


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    #1186
    bastados
    Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭bastados


    Seachmall wrote: »
    In a debate there is always someone you wish wasn't on your side. You are that person.

    Sympathies to Philologos as his position will undoubtedly be tarnished with your 'arguments'.

    Good day, sir. May the Lord have mercy on your soul.


    lol..I love a grande gesture me thanks.

    - the quality of men leaves none for mercy.


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    #1187
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    bastados wrote: »
    you're actually stating there is a true god by by implying there isnt a false one :D
    you're also implying I believe in one.
    ...ah logic , where is thy sting?

    imagination helps you see the world as it is...visit an art gallery for proof of same.

    Just one simple question : Do you believe that this world was created for you?


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    #1188
    bastados
    Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭bastados


    moneyman wrote: »
    Exactly what I was going to say. Watch him try to squirm out of it, though.

    you could with a visit to the art gallery too :D:D:D


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    #1189
    bastados
    Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭bastados


    Malty_T wrote: »
    Just one simple question : Do you believe that this world was created for you?

    all truth is subjective...go in peace :D


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    #1190
    optogirl
    Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭optogirl


    bastados wrote: »
    you could with a visit to the art gallery too :D:D:D


    Mistress69? Is that you?


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    #1191
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    bastados wrote: »
    all truth is subjective...go in peace :D

    Really truth is subjective? Whether the sun is bigger than the earth happens to be true or not has no bearing on what we believe to be the case. The truth is definitely not subjective, it's independent of our nature of thought altogether.


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    #1192
    WhiteRussian
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 304 ✭✭WhiteRussian


    Atheists and theists will churn the milk of life until eventually the cream of the Agnostic rises to the top.


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    #1193
    [Deleted User]
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    WhiteRussian wrote: »
    Atheists and theists will churn the milk of life until eventually the cream of the Agnostic rises to the top.

    Agnostics are, technically, atheists. :p


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    #1194
    Mark200
    Registered Users Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    WhiteRussian wrote: »
    Atheists and theists will churn the milk of life until eventually the cream of the Agnostic rises to the top.

    Atheism and theism are beliefs while agnosticism and gnosticism are levels of certainty.

    You can be an agnostic atheist and an agnostic theist, for example. There's nothing wrong with saying "I don't believe in a god, but I can't know for sure".

    Also - saying "I don't know" doesn't mean they're both equally likely, or that it's equally rational to be either an atheist or theist.


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    #1195
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,338 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    WhiteRussian wrote: »
    Atheists and theists will churn the milk of life until eventually the cream of the Agnostic rises to the top.

    And thats what you put in a White Russian right?


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    #1196
    dpe
    Registered Users Posts: 520 ✭✭✭dpe


    bastados wrote: »
    lol..I love a grande gesture me thanks.

    - the quality of men leaves none for mercy.

    Are you channeling Eric Cantona? You seem to have knack for the Non Sequitur. Or is this some kind of performance art piece? Maybe's its my lack of imagination, but I can't work out what the feck you're on about.


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    #1197
    bastados
    Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭bastados


    Malty_T wrote: »
    Really truth is subjective? Whether the sun is bigger than the earth happens to be true or not has no bearing on what we believe to be the case. The truth is definitely not subjective, it's independent of our nature of thought altogether.

    Yeah you're talking about facts...I'm talking about truth's ,there's a difference between observable fact and subjective truth...class is over.


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    #1198
    WhiteRussian
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 304 ✭✭WhiteRussian


    gvn wrote: »
    Agnostics are, technically, atheists. :p

    Well, we have no way of conceiving of an almighty creator let alone proving the existence of one. Not being able to conceive of one does not mean that there is none.


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    #1199
    Seachmall
    Registered Users Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    WhiteRussian wrote: »
    Well, we have no way of conceiving of an almighty creator let alone proving the existence of one. Not being able to conceive of one does not mean that there is none.

    That's your typical atheist's stance known as Agnostic Atheism or weak Atheism. The vast majority of atheists take this position.


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    #1200
    WhiteRussian
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 304 ✭✭WhiteRussian


    Seachmall wrote: »
    That's your typical atheist's stance known as Agnostic Atheism or weak Atheism. The vast majority of atheists take this position.

    It could be weak theism too though


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    #1201
    [Deleted User]
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    WhiteRussian wrote: »
    Well, we have no way of conceiving of an almighty creator let alone proving the existence of one. Not being able to conceive of one does not mean that there is none.

    Do you believe in God? I'm not asking you if you have knowledge of whether God exists or not, I'm asking you if you believe in him. Belief is a one-or-the-other system: you either believe in God or you don't, you can't half believe in him. Agnostics, as they're typically defined, lack this belief (not knowledge, but belief) so they're atheists.

    As Mark200 pointed out: atheism and theism are statements of belief, whereas agnosticism is a statement of knowledge.


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