Greece

iamstop · 16-06-2011 02:00AM #1

Not a lot in the media about the riots and protests. I know there is some but I don't think it is getting the attention it deserves considering how related what is going on there is to Ireland's own loans and debt.

http://youtu.be/whH8xpTOidk

What you think?

BlueBaron · 16-06-2011 02:03AM

Fecking Greeks.....They invented Gayness!!!

Dangerous Man · 16-06-2011 02:04AM

Oh... Greece. I was about to burst into song.

Kojak · 16-06-2011 02:05AM

If the Greeks sell crete to the Germans, then they'll probably have 1/2 the debt gone straight away.

Sure didn't Germany want to buy Greece's beaches a few months back? WTF - the Greeks are right to riot.

digme · 16-06-2011 02:06AM

Kojak wrote: »

If the Greeks sell crete to the Germans, then they'll probably have 1/2 the debt gone straight away.

Sure didn't Germany want to buy Greece's beaches a few months back? WTF - the Greeks are right to riot.

maybe the germans should give greece back it's gold.

Lapin · 16-06-2011 02:08AM

digme wrote: »

maybe the germans should give greece back it's gold.

And the Brits should give them their marbles back.

:pac:

digme · 16-06-2011 02:09AM

what marbles

Turpentine · 16-06-2011 02:14AM

iamstop wrote: »

Not a lot in the media about the riots and protests. I know there is some but I don't think it is getting the attention it deserves considering how related what is going on there is to Ireland's own loans and debt.

http://youtu.be/whH8xpTOidk

What you think?

Jesus, it looks mental over there. The five armed police around one guy looks somewhat excessive. You'd have to wonder what's in/what do they think is in that bum-bag.

Lapin · 16-06-2011 02:23AM

digme wrote: »

what marbles

These marbles.

Turpentine · 16-06-2011 02:24AM

digme wrote: »

what marbles

I assume s/he's either talking about ancient statues or sanity.

Or was that a compliment towards the protestors: "What marbles!!!!"

Edit:

Lapin wrote: »

These marbles.

Those marbles ^

Einhard · 16-06-2011 02:35AM

Kojak wrote: »

Sure didn't Germany want to buy Greece's beaches a few months back? WTF - the Greeks are right to riot.

No, they're not. Seriously, WTF is up with our fetishisation of riots and disorder? Now, perhaps the Irish would be riot to order considering that most of the debt we're being saddled with is private losses, but the situation in Greece is entirely different. It's a bloody basket case of a country, and the Greeks are to fiscal recklessness as the Brazilians are to soccer. The black economy in the country is the largest in Europe, and tax fiddling is seen almost as a national pastime. Drive into a major petrol station along the motorway, and chances are you won't be able to pay electronically, and the "register" will consist of a a box. Walk into a doctor, a vet, or even a hospital, and you can expect to pay cash in hand in many cases. As part of the recent government crackdown, which only barely scrapes the surface, they surveyed Athens from the air in order to ascertain how many were avoiding a particular swimming pool tax. About 400 were registered for tax purposes- of almost 17 000.

So spare me this sh!te about the heroic Greeks. They're not "sticking it to the man", or protesting unfair capitalism through their riots- they're rioting because they don't want to pay back the money borrowed to fund their lifestyle. They borrowed money, and now refuse to pay up. Remember the Athen's Olympics? Was that forced on the Greeks by the IMF of the World Bank or the ECB? Were they forced to borrow the billions to fund that white elephant? They willingly took on the debt, and now refuse to even attempt to pay it back. That's not noble or commendable- that's the behaviour of the fiscally reckless and the irresponsible.

If you lent money to your neighbour in good faith, and he squandered it, before smashing the street when you asked for it back, would you be so supportive? I doubt it. So why the collective hard on for the Greeks?

orourkeda · 16-06-2011 02:50AM

Kojak wrote: »

If the Greeks sell crete to the Germans, then they'll probably have 1/2 the debt gone straight away.

Sure didn't Germany want to buy Greece's beaches a few months back? WTF - the Greeks are right to riot.

Why and what does it achieve?

orourkeda · 16-06-2011 02:52AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A04eIty3to

Proper protest

iamstop · 16-06-2011 01:29PM

My original post and point was about the fact that what is going on in Greece atm is being very under reported. We heard FAR more about the middle eastern protests in Egypt, Bahrain, Lybia etc.

Is it a case of the media not wanting the news and therefore ideas and acceptance of this kind of protest to spread as it did in the middle east?

squod · 16-06-2011 02:34PM

Einhard wrote: »

........ perhaps the Irish would be riot to order considering that most of the debt we're being saddled with is private losses, but the situation in Greece is entirely different.

People here voted to take on that debt in the last general election. In fairness you can't argue with democracy.

Einhard wrote: »

If you lent money to your neighbour in good faith, and he squandered it, before smashing the street when you asked for it back, would you be so supportive? I doubt it.

It's possible that like ourselves people keep voting for a bunch of cnuts to run the country. I don't blame them for being upset if that's the case. Remember we are still squandering everything we were lent by Europe. Poxy little banks like IL&P getting bailed for billions when they're only worth a few million. Paying government cronies six figure salaries etc..

DominoDub · 16-06-2011 02:46PM

In Greece every Dog on the Street Protests !

Ref:
Kanellos the Greek protest dog
A dog that has been seen at nearly every demonstration in Athens over the last two years has turned up again during the recent protests against new austerity measures

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2010/may/06/greece-protest

ItsAWindUp · 16-06-2011 02:57PM

Oh yes, those fine brave Greek revolutionaries: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/05/2891441.htm

Slightly over-romanticised methinks.

Einhard · 16-06-2011 04:11PM

squod wrote: »

People here voted to take on that debt in the last general election. In fairness you can't argue with democracy.

Bollix to that! Of course I can argue against democracy. I argued against FF for the past ten years, but fat lot of good it did me!

That's besude the point though, because protests of a tiny minority of an electorare is not a manifestation of the popular, democratic will. Seriously, that shouldn't even need to be pointed out. There were emassive protests in Serbia following the arrest of Ratko Mladic- I'm pretty sure you weren't on here clamouring for his release, or criticising his arrest because "you can't argue with democracy".

It's possible that like ourselves people keep voting for a bunch of cnuts to run the country. I don't blame them for being upset if that's the case.

You don't blame them for voting in the cnuts?

Am I missing something there?

Remember we are still squandering everything we were lent by Europe. Poxy little banks like IL&P getting bailed for billions when they're only worth a few million. Paying government cronies six figure salaries etc..

As I sais, the situations in Ireland and Greece are completely different. If anyone had legitimare right to protest, it would be the Irish, who are shouldering private losses. The Greeks and the Spanish protestors on the other hand, are refusing to pay back theur own debts. And being lionised for it.

Mr Benevolent · 16-06-2011 04:13PM

If Greece is allowed default, we'll default. Simple enough. Only difference is that collectively we're pussies compared to the Greeks.

Zebra3 · 16-06-2011 04:15PM

Einhard wrote: »

It's a bloody basket case of a country, and the Greeks are to fiscal recklessness as the Brazilians are to soccer.

Ya wha' now?

drdeadlift · 16-06-2011 04:18PM

DominoDub wrote: »

In Greece every Dog on the Street Protests !

Ref:
Kanellos the Greek protest dog
A dog that has been seen at nearly every demonstration in Athens over the last two years has turned up again during the recent protests against new austerity measures

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2010/may/06/greece-protest

He was in the op,23 secs in? hes like a reincarnated person

Einhard · 16-06-2011 04:23PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Ya wha' now?

Masters at it!;)

dsmythy · 16-06-2011 04:23PM

Greeks riot, and they get frucked.

Irish don't riot, and they get frucked.

Sections of Athen's business and shopping districts are shut down day after day. The Irish ones continue trading.

reprazant · 16-06-2011 04:29PM

Confab wrote: »

If Greece is allowed default, we'll default. Simple enough. Only difference is that collectively we're pussies compared to the Greeks.

Why don't you go out and orgainse a protest? And then start a riot while you are there?

All this moaning from people on here that nobody is protesting. Go start a protest then instead of sitting on your arse moaning that nobody is doing it for you.

DominoDub · 16-06-2011 04:50PM

http://i.imgur.com/BDPvF.jpg

sotoole1 · 19-06-2011 09:46PM

BlueBaron wrote: »

Fecking Greeks.....They invented Gayness!!!

You could be onto something there. Was there in 1999 in crete before it got popular and expensive. I ve never seen so many men holding hands,I thought I landed in the wrong country.
Anyway at this stage Greece is the Anglo of Europe . We will keep feeding them money and the fact is there no possible way they can pay it back.
If France and Germany think they can keep bailing them out to cover there own banks from implosion, using the rest of Europe as a backbone. They are taking the P**S just like the Greeks since the 90's.

Amhran Nua · 19-06-2011 10:10PM

squod wrote: »

People here voted to take on that debt in the last general election.

No, they didn't. Some people voted for FF, without knowing the insanity they were about to inflict on the country. Its doubtful FF knew what they were doing at the time. If we had a recall referendum mechanism, I'd say its likely that the boys from the Galway tent would have been hauled out of office by the ear. But we don't, so they weren't.

Besides its not like other countries haven't made bad voting decisions, *cough Germany cough*.

RebelSniper · 19-06-2011 10:16PM

The Greeks are in a really slippery situation...

sotoole1 · 19-06-2011 10:39PM

The more the Greeks protest,riot and destroy the little economy they still have.
The more it will cost everyone else .
The reality is a new bailout for Greece next week is a default,and is only going to cost Ireland and the rest of the member states. Also this will change all budget plans throughout Europe who avail of the single currency.
The next bailout for them will be the third and that will be around the turn of 2012. When this happens France and Germany will contract with the collapse of some (6) of its main banks,and at this point it will be a coin toss for every single currency state to decide weather to continue with the Euro.
Before this happens France and Germany will have already decided their own future's collectively.

ascanbe · 19-06-2011 11:16PM

sotoole1 wrote: »

You could be onto something there. Was there in 1999 in crete before it got popular and expensive. I ve never seen so many men holding hands,I thought I landed in the wrong country.
Anyway at this stage Greece is the Anglo of Europe . We will keep feeding them money and the fact is there no possible way they can pay it back.
If France and Germany think they can keep bailing them out to cover there own banks from implosion, using the rest of Europe as a backbone. They are taking the P**S just like the Greeks since the 90's.

Meant to go to Lesbos, did you?

squod · 19-06-2011 11:17PM

Einhard wrote: »

You don't blame them for voting in the cnuts? Am I missing something there?
.

You know what I mean. I can't blame the protesters for feeling pissed off that people keep voting for cnuts.

Amhran Nua wrote: »

No, they didn't.

Well, yes they did. M. Noonan told us what he was going to do pre-election. The population were forewarned of the impending fraud and endorsed it anyway.

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Its doubtful FF knew what they were doing at the time.

My offensive on the apologists continues. They new full well what they were doing!

There is no evidence to the contrary AFAIK. The governments advisors told them not to guarantee Anglo's debts. Even J. Burton has said recently how she thought the idea was utter lunacy.

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