Zack Ryder Thread - Woo woo woo!

Lord TSC · 15-06-2011 09:50AM

Ziggler tweet:
You didnt rib 'the kid' tonight, you ribbed the fans, Long Island & the boys in the back! AND kicked him in the nuts! #RyderOrRiot

Also, start of this video. Sounds like Cena is saying:
Zack I love you. You're my hero. Save me a cold one at the bar upstairs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlYN50f3DWo

Also, where are people hearing reports Cena went to Vince and complained?

grames_bond · 15-06-2011 09:59AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Ziggler tweet:
You didnt rib 'the kid' tonight, you ribbed the fans, Long Island & the boys in the back! AND kicked him in the nuts! #RyderOrRiot

as i said previously even JR retweeted that! so i think this has annoyed a hell of a lot of people!

tweet from zack:
I wasn't on Raw...(besides all the Ryder signs and chants)...but you can catch me this Thursday on WWE Superstars.

you can tell it has affected him but he still has to pimp that stupid non show superstars!

Africa · 15-06-2011 11:58AM

Wow. Poor Ryder. But fair play to Cena on that bit before his match, that was clearly a plug for him. Surely Vince would want to be keeping Cena somewhat happy... even if we arent Cena fans, a lot are.

And awesome work by the crowd there too, they were really pumped for it and its a shame it didnt happen. So Vince hates the interwebz eh? Why doesnt that suprise me at all. After all, Ryders WWE Internet champ :P

waltersobchack wrote:

Im probably in the minority here but i find that song ridiculously annoying

Yeah, probably.

waltersobchak · 15-06-2011 12:03PM

Africa wrote: »

Yeah, probably.

Awww well, i prefer not having my ears raped..

CMpunked · 15-06-2011 12:23PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Also, start of this video. Sounds like Cena is saying:
Zack I love you. You're my hero. Save me a cold one at the bar upstairs.

Not so sure about that, if you listen really closely it seems he says uncle before zack. Im guessing he had an uncle named zack who could have passed away.
And pointing directly up when he said upstairs too.

duuuaaaane · 15-06-2011 12:35PM

He says Uncle Jack. A relative of his who passed away recently.

duuuaaaane · 15-06-2011 12:40PM

waltersobchak wrote: »

Im probably in the minority here but i find that song ridiculously annoying

I refuse to believe this. It's genius.

grames_bond · 15-06-2011 12:42PM

uwwedoogie wrote: »

I refuse to believe this. It's genius.

sorry bro but im with walter on this one!

nothing against the song but i dont think it fits with the show as it ends,i think if it was electified i may like it more!

duuuaaaane · 15-06-2011 12:47PM

grames_bond wrote: »

sorry bro but im with walter on this one!

nothing against the song but i dont think it fits with the show as it ends,i think if it was electified i may like it more!

I'm kidding, I don't think it fits great either. It was Zack's idea. The edit I gave him was different for the end but he went with that one so if he's happy I'm happy I guess!

CMpunked · 15-06-2011 12:52PM

it does work, its only like 2 seconds, probably not even.

waltersobchak · 15-06-2011 01:10PM

uwwedoogie wrote: »

I'm kidding, I don't think it fits great either. It was Zack's idea. The edit I gave him was different for the end but he went with that one so if he's happy I'm happy I guess!

Nothing against the song, i just HATE repetitive music, and my god does that song stay in my head..

JP Liz V1 · 15-06-2011 01:54PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Ziggler tweet:
You didnt rib 'the kid' tonight, you ribbed the fans, Long Island & the boys in the back! AND kicked him in the nuts! #RyderOrRiot

Also, start of this video. Sounds like Cena is saying:
Zack I love you. You're my hero. Save me a cold one at the bar upstairs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlYN50f3DWo

Also, where are people hearing reports Cena went to Vince and complained?

Source

There were lots of chants for Zack Ryder last night during RAW from his hometown in Long Island. The louder chants came during the Sheamus vs. Santino Marella match. One fan in attendance said Ryder got the third biggest reaction of the night when he came out for Superstars - right behind Steve Austin and John Cena's pops from the crowd.

the groutch · 15-06-2011 03:50PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I really do think a huge part of this is down to the fact there's no real alternative for guys like Ryder

I know there's TNA but there's no way anyone can consider it to be on the same level as WWE, and that means the guys in WWE are forced to take this type of **** from Vince. If they don't like it, their other option is to take a massive pay and fame cut and leave to join another group who are lower than WWE. If there was another group on the same level as WWE, Vince wouldn't be able to pull stuff like that, but he knows that guys like Ryder will just sit and take it

TNA would stil have to be better than jobbing on Superstars

Lord TSC · 15-06-2011 04:42PM

the groutch wrote: »

TNA would stil have to be better than jobbing on Superstars

I've seen this debated before but I don't know would it be. Realistically, Ryder probably wouldn't be able to demand as much money from TNA as he's on in WWE, there's no garruntee he'd even get a place in TNA if he left, and in WWE, even with jobber status, he's probably more well known globally than he would be in Florida.

waltersobchak · 15-06-2011 04:47PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I've seen this debated before but I don't know would it be. Realistically, Ryder probably wouldn't be able to demand as much money from TNA as he's on in WWE, there's no garruntee he'd even get a place in TNA if he left, and in WWE, even with jobber status, he's probably more well known globally than he would be in Florida.

+1 Its definitely better to be a jobber for WWE, than the TNA World Champion.. Just ask RVD, Hardy, Angle, etc etc who've basically dissappeared off the face of the Earth to the casual fan. Im sure TNA would blow their load on a Ryder/Robbie E fued, and that'd be it for Ryder..

CMpunked · 15-06-2011 04:55PM

So LAME that WWE didn't include @ZackRyder on Raw last night. No reason not to!! Wrestling is supposed to be FUN remember? Time to riot...

Jerichos twitter.

JP Liz V1 · 15-06-2011 05:01PM

I dont see why Cena cant speak to Vince about him surely he has some clout being the top guy in WWE and has been pushing Ryder's show on twitter

grames_bond · 15-06-2011 05:04PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I dont see why Cena cant speak to Vince about him surely he has some clout being the top guy in WWE and has been punishing Ryder's show on twitter

punishing it?!

from what the dirt sheets are saying cena intends to talk to vince personally about it!

how true that is i dont know though!

JP Liz V1 · 15-06-2011 05:09PM

grames_bond wrote: »

punishing it?!

from what the dirt sheets are saying cena intends to talk to vince personally about it!

how true that is i dont know though!

OMG I read over it twice before I posted and didnt even notice the spelling

I love to see Ryder get a talk show segement like Piper's Pit/Highlight Reel etc

Lord TSC · 15-06-2011 05:12PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I dont see why Cena cant speak to Vince about him surely he has some clout being the top guy in WWE and has been pushing Ryder's show on twitter

Because maybe Cena doesn't want to rock the boat? Truth is there's countless guys who could do the same job Cena does. Cena's lucky. He's had a lot of time invested into him and is pushed on TV as a big deal. But if he ever crossed Vince, don't think McMahon wouldn't drop him and shove someone else down our throats unrelentlessly. Also, being cynical, just cause Cena says he likes Ryder on Twitter doesn't mean they are best buds. Since the day Cena set up a Twitter first, he's been trying to use it to win over the internet fans. Remember when Bryan was fired and Cena ranted on Twitter about it? It's an attempt to win over the crowds who boo him, and likely little else.

thebostoncrab · 15-06-2011 05:52PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Because maybe Cena doesn't want to rock the boat? Truth is there's countless guys who could do the same job Cena does. Cena's lucky. He's had a lot of time invested into him and is pushed on TV as a big deal. But if he ever crossed Vince, don't think McMahon wouldn't drop him and shove someone else down our throats unrelentlessly. Also, being cynical, just cause Cena says he likes Ryder on Twitter doesn't mean they are best buds. Since the day Cena set up a Twitter first, he's been trying to use it to win over the internet fans. Remember when Bryan was fired and Cena ranted on Twitter about it? It's an attempt to win over the crowds who boo him, and likely little else.

I have to disagree. While it is possible for someone else to come in and takes Cena spot, there is no way they could do so quick enough to make up for the massive financial losses that WWE would suffer from loosing their biggest draw. John Cena the person comes across as a great guy who wants the best for the company, and isn't afraid to say what he thinks to Vince because he can. Look at the TV time Evan Bourne got before his injury thanks to Cena. I'd fully believe that he likes Zyder and doesn't want to see him wasted, and not to "win over" the smarks.

jaykhunter · 15-06-2011 06:03PM

Vince is at the mercy of very few people in this world; and Cena, Orton, Triple H, Taker and the wife (Linda, not McMange!) are about it. It's great that Cena's such a company man, but he could use his clout to better the product. It seems he's just eternally grateful to be employed and where he is. Like AJ Styles and TNA, but Cena's been pushed as the main dude.

Right now Cena (and Orton?) are the only draws that are on WWE TV consistently. McMahon couldn't bare losing Cena over some trifling small-time matter. There is literally nobody that can take Cena's place right now in terms of money drawing crowds and PPV buys.

Lord TSC · 15-06-2011 08:08PM

thebostoncrab wrote: »

I have to disagree. While it is possible for someone else to come in and takes Cena spot, there is no way they could do so quick enough to make up for the massive financial losses that WWE would suffer from loosing their biggest draw. John Cena the person comes across as a great guy who wants the best for the company, and isn't afraid to say what he thinks to Vince because he can. Look at the TV time Evan Bourne got before his injury thanks to Cena. I'd fully believe that he likes Zyder and doesn't want to see him wasted, and not to "win over" the smarks.

1. Bourne got two weeks and has done nothing since he returned from injury.
2. Who's word exactly have we on the fact it was Cena that got Bourne that push? If he was that intent on getting Bourne a push, why has nothing been done since?

Again, probably being cynical, but I put Bourne's push in the same line as his using twitter to rant on DB's situation or to promote Zack Ryder's videos. He knows the internet likes those wrestlers so he and WWE try to push Cena into the frame with them in a bid to get Cena to appeal to the audience who boo him. I'm not saying he's not a company man but just cause he works hard doesn't mean he has a tonne of pull. It means he does everything he's told, and it means he does whatever he can to get himself over with as many people as he can. Cena is doing those things to promote WWE but also John Cena, so why not try and get some of the internet fanbase on his side by showing he likes their darlings?

I know that's cynical and I'd love to think differently. I just think that if Cena really wanted Bourne or Ryder to get real pushes and/or if he had the power some people think he did, don't you think he would have been getting them those pushes by now?

Penn · 15-06-2011 08:24PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

1. Bourne got two weeks and has done nothing since he returned from injury.
2. Who's word exactly have we on the fact it was Cena that got Bourne that push? If he was that intent on getting Bourne a push, why has nothing been done since?

Again, probably being cynical, but I put Bourne's push in the same line as his using twitter to rant on DB's situation or to promote Zack Ryder's videos. He knows the internet likes those wrestlers so he and WWE try to push Cena into the frame with them in a bid to get Cena to appeal to the audience who boo him. I'm not saying he's not a company man but just cause he works hard doesn't mean he has a tonne of pull. It means he does everything he's told, and it means he does whatever he can to get himself over with as many people as he can. Cena is doing those things to promote WWE but also John Cena, so why not try and get some of the internet fanbase on his side by showing he likes their darlings?

I know that's cynical and I'd love to think differently. I just think that if Cena really wanted Bourne or Ryder to get real pushes and/or if he had the power some people think he did, don't you think he would have been getting them those pushes by now?

I don't watch Raw, but in the past few weeks, when they've shown Cena walking backstage, hasn't Ryder been in the background of one or two of them. The one with the fist pump, then the one where you could see him filming his show in the background. That's hardly coincidence that both times it was in a Cena bit. I'd say (and of course, I'm only guessing) that Cena helped get him those bits, but was trying to get him something bigger, and those bits were a sort of compromise. I genuinely believe Cena is trying to help Ryder because he wants to, not to win over the internet fans. But there's only so much Cena can do.

Why_So_Serious? · 15-06-2011 08:33PM

jaykhunter wrote: »

Vince is at the mercy of very few people in this world; and Cena, Orton, Triple H, Taker and the wife (Linda, not McMange!) are about it. It's great that Cena's such a company man, but he could use his clout to better the product. It seems he's just eternally grateful to be employed and where he is. Like AJ Styles and TNA, but Cena's been pushed as the main dude.

Right now Cena (and Orton?) are the only draws that are on WWE TV consistently. McMahon couldn't bare losing Cena over some trifling small-time matter. There is literally nobody that can take Cena's place right now in terms of money drawing crowds and PPV buys.

How do we know that these are really the only guys that can draw big crowds, and money into Vince's pockets??

He never tries too give anyone else a chance I like Orton and used too like Cena but ever since he dropped the rapping gimmick for the whole army thing he's just gone way down hill in my opinion.

Look at some of the guys that have been built up as top stars.....Wade Barret, Jack Swagger, John Morrison and others were just dropped too mid card cos he gave them how many chances?? 1!!!!

He needs too let these people start showing what they really can do and push Cena away from the spotlight a bit its getting too the bit were ya cant stand it

Lord TSC · 15-06-2011 09:06PM

Barrington wrote: »

I don't watch Raw, but in the past few weeks, when they've shown Cena walking backstage, hasn't Ryder been in the background of one or two of them. The one with the fist pump, then the one where you could see him filming his show in the background. That's hardly coincidence that both times it was in a Cena bit. I'd say (and of course, I'm only guessing) that Cena helped get him those bits, but was trying to get him something bigger, and those bits were a sort of compromise. I genuinely believe Cena is trying to help Ryder because he wants to, not to win over the internet fans. But there's only so much Cena can do.

I get the idea behind it and you could be right. I'm not saying I have all the facts (well, not here. On twitter, sure...). But I could just as easily say that Vince and co know the internet fans are eating up those cameos and are putting Cena in them to try and help people cheer during a Cena segment. There's no proof that it's one way or the other but I can as easily say that those clips support my points and he's only placed in them for cynical reasons...

sliotor · 15-06-2011 10:15PM

I am not a fan of cena, but when Bourne was on the art of wrestling pod cast with colt cabana, he did say that cena did try helping him and help push him, so it may be that cena is genuinely helping zack. Again it is only speculation on my behalf but it may be legit about cena.

Rjd2 · 16-06-2011 12:35AM

thebostoncrab wrote: »

I have to disagree. While it is possible for someone else to come in and takes Cena spot, there is no way they could do so quick enough to make up for the massive financial losses that WWE would suffer from loosing their biggest draw. John Cena the person comes across as a great guy who wants the best for the company, and isn't afraid to say what he thinks to Vince because he can. Look at the TV time Evan Bourne got before his injury thanks to Cena. I'd fully believe that he likes Zyder and doesn't want to see him wasted, and not to "win over" the smarks.

Aye, the idea that Cena could be replaced instantly is naive really. The guy of course had the machine behind him but he also had huge support from the WWE UNNIVERSE and took the ball and bloody ran with it despite certain veterans trying to undermine him. Rey is arguably the only fulltime guy on his level at the moment.

If you listen to any of those fired, they never have a bad word to say about Cena. The guy from all accounts is one of those who turns up and does what he is told to. He doesn't politic at all which I suppose is a shame when you consider how stale his character can get at certain times!.

All top guys have their favorites, Hunter from all accounts was big on Evan in his ECW days and Ryder is someone that's incredibly easy to warm to, so nope I don't believe that its some conspiracy to get the support of smarks who he knows will always hate him no matter what he does.

Ridley · 16-06-2011 12:46AM

Rjd2 wrote: »

Aye, the idea that Cena could be replaced instantly is idiotic really. The guy of course had the machine behind him but he also had huge support from the WWE UNNIVERSE and took the ball and bloody ran with it despite certain veterans trying to undermine him. Rey is arguably the only fulltime guy on his level at the moment.

Cena's not easily replacable either. Relatively speaking, he's this era's Hogan and Austin cash cow. The guy to take that spot next probably isn't even in the company yet.

Giggsy_ · 16-06-2011 02:06AM

Apparently Zack Ryder is the latest on the Val Venis hit list. He wrote on twitter that he was he was gonna expose the jersey shore wannabe. He seems to be incurring the rath of the internet community over the comment. I think he did the same with the hardys.

Zack Ryder Thread - Woo woo woo!

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