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Pamela Izevbekhai is still in Ireland! Why?

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  • #602
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,689 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    JustAddWater wrote: »
    B) Don't be naive, this is just one person who has cost the state thousands now if not hundreds of thousands already. A woman who has lied and fooled her way through the irish courts system, a woman who has brought her appeal all the way to europe. This doesn't come cheap for the Irish taxpayer.

    And remember this is one woman of probably hundreds who launched similar appeals in order to avoid deportation. So yes, I do think this issue is important. We can't turn a blind eye to this because there are other problems going on

    Spot on; she is just one of many many asylum seekers here who are costing millions of euro to support. It's big business, and many are making big money from the asylum gravy train.


  • #603
    Absurdum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    and in the meantime, we can't afford to help those genuinely in need, such as those in Libya

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0611/1224298736256.html


  • #604
    ParkRunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yet the date is from 17th may and theres been no announcement about it whatsoever.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72741860&postcount=558

    I got the date wrong. Hasn't she had enough publicity in any case!


  • #605
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,689 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Absurdum wrote: »
    and in the meantime, we can't afford to help those genuinely in need, such as those in Libya

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0611/1224298736256.html

    Yes, we should be doing more to help Libya. As the U.S and its allies drop millions of dollars of missiles and bombs on the country it should be up to Paddy to foot the bill....

    BTW, as far as I know, we already have thrown money at Libya. And as long as countries like the U.S and others bombing, know this, they can keep firing the bombs. Paddy will rebuild, and take on the refugees, housing and feeding and clothing them for the rest of their lives. We're a great little country, aren't we?

    What a mad world we live in.

    When will they start kicking Irish people out of their homes to house
    the worlds "poor?"


  • #606
    discus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    In the bigger picture, at least we can blame ourselves for voting in government and landing ourselves in a ****ty debt situation. Compare that to tons of countries in the middle east and africa who have rule imposed on them by whoever is the biggest bully. We have it easy, and don't claim otherwise.


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  • #607
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    EF wrote: »
    I got the date wrong. Hasn't she had enough publicity in any case!


    ....don't you think that if the whole saga was finally over, somebody would have reported on it?
    walshb wrote:
    BTW, as far as I know, we already have thrown money at Libya. And as long as countries like the U.S and others bombing, know this, they can keep firing the bombs. Paddy will rebuild, and take on the refugees, housing and feeding and clothing them for the rest of their lives. We're a great little country, aren't we?!


    Whinge, moan, begrudge and extract all references to facts to provide the perfect WalshB ode to the afflicted.


  • #608
    DonQuay1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭DonQuay1


    Nodin wrote: »
    Thats dated 17th may and refers to the inadmisibility of a submission. There is zero reportage that I can find on that, and nothing referring to her having failed at the European route.
    =====================================================


    OH COMMMMMMMME ON PEOPLE!! Don't you know how to do a proper internet search yet??????? I mean - it's all on the official site!!!!

    JEES!!

    This is just my way of stirring the sh** .... but come ONNNN .... some of you could at least learn how to search properly instead of picking your noses!!!


  • #609
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Nodin wrote: »
    Ty.

    Why Nodin, what did you think it meant?
    You were not jumping to conclusions, were you?

    For the life of me, I always thought that you were a female poster too.


  • #610
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    I really don't understand all the bile and vitriol aimed at this woman. Isn't she doing what every mother ought to- looking out for her children? Sure, her life probably isn't going to be in danger back in Nigeria, and she likely has no genuine asylum claim, but there's no denying that her kids will have a lesser standard of life, and lesser opportunities in Lagos than in Dublin. If I were her, I'd be doing the exact same thing- trying to safeguard my children's future, and afford them the best possible life. Wouldn't everyone else?

    Sure, this case sucks. But that's not Izevbekhai's fault. She's working the system that exists. Blame the system, not her. Unless you can state that you wouldn't do the exact same thing if it were your kids in the loop.


    Nodin wrote: »
    Or - mad idea this - they presumed, based on what was known at the time - she was being upfront about it.



    What is a "rat group" and a "rat agenda"?

    If I remember correctly, one of the group's most prominent in her case, was Residents Against Racism, or something similar, and their MO was/is basically to insinuate racism against anyone who questions the asylum system, immigration, or even dares to discuss such topics. Indeed, their outlook is implicit in their name. I have no problem with anyone supporting this woman, but I deeply resent the notion that anyone who felt she should be deported was a racist. It's a really despicable tactic.

    Johro wrote: »
    Tl;ccl.
    (too long, couldn't care less). Also, none of my business.

    Seriously I really don't understand these posts. If you couldn't be arsed reading something, why feel the need to tell us? Do you wander around libraries leaving little post-its on books testifying to the fact that you didn't read them?

    Also, it is your business. It's your money that's funding these challenges, and your money that's supporting a potentially spurious applicant.
    walshb wrote: »
    Yes, we should be doing more to help Libya. As the U.S and its allies drop millions of dollars of missiles and bombs on the country it should be up to Paddy to foot the bill....

    BTW, as far as I know, we already have thrown money at Libya. And as long as countries like the U.S and others bombing, know this, they can keep firing the bombs. Paddy will rebuild, and take on the refugees, housing and feeding and clothing them for the rest of their lives. We're a great little country, aren't we?

    What a mad world we live in.

    When will they start kicking Irish people out of their homes to house
    the worlds "poor?"

    Jesus, that chip on your shoulder must be crushing you!


  • #611
    ilovelamp2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭ilovelamp2000


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....yes, you know, because you were there, man.

    Anecdotes aren't worth a ****, tbh.

    The woman presented a case, it was investigated and found to be false. Where I do recognise that you might prefer some arbitrary system based on whether or not it sounds ok to you, whether you 'like the look of them' or not, thats just not the way it works.

    I love your attempt to make me look like a racist, well done, typical tactics of the do gooder groups. You can't deflect the fact you've been taken for a fool on this one.

    Anecdotes might not be worth a **** but have a look at the stats on Nigerian asylum seekers, or all asylum seekers - it backs up what I say. The vast majority of asylum seekers are not eligible for asylum.

    The fact is Pamela failed in ORAC and RAT, the two bodies set up to decide on asylum applications - they knew her claim was lacking credibility to put it mildly. She then engaged on a long campaign through Courts because she didn't get the answer she wanted, costing the Irish taxpayer millions, which also found exactly the same.

    Why isn't it enough that she was refused by two sets of decision makers ? Why does she need to be rejected by every decision maker possible ?

    It was all completely unnecessary and the main reason it went as far as it did was because of the publicity generated by a bunch of people who were taken for fools.


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  • #612
    opti76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭opti76


    sure all she'l do now is have a baby and she'l be allowed to stay ...


  • #613
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,689 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Einhard wrote: »
    I really don't understand all the bile and vitriol aimed at this woman. Isn't she doing what every mother ought to- looking out for her children? Sure, her life probably isn't going to be in danger back in Nigeria, and she likely has no genuine asylum claim, but there's no denying that her kids will have a lesser standard of life, and lesser opportunities in Lagos than in Dublin. If I were her, I'd be doing the exact same thing- trying to safeguard my children's future, and afford them the best possible life. Wouldn't everyone else?

    Sure, this case sucks. But that's not Izevbekhai's fault. She's working the system that exists. Blame the system, not her. Unless you can state that you wouldn't do the exact same thing if it were your kids in the loop.


    I agree. I certainly do not hate this woman. She is doing her best to stay in a country that is far more generous and healthy for her and her children. I don't blame her one bit. She is exposing the system here, the sham system, and exposing and exploiting the people who are defending and encouraging. No no, this is far from a one-woman show. Pameal is being aided here big time.

    As for the chip on my shoulder. I guess it just exasperates me to see Libya being bombed and destroyed by the U.S. and U.K and others, and we are left to foot part of the bill, the rebuild etc. It's madness. The people sure need help, but why is it up to Paddy all the time? If the U.S and others can waste millions on destroying this country, then they damn well can waste millions fixing it. It's crazy!


  • #614
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Why Nodin, what did you think it meant?
    You were not jumping to conclusions, were you?

    If I jumped to a conclusion, I wouldn't have been asking for a definition.....
    ilovelamp2000 wrote:
    I love your attempt to make me look like a racist, well done

    No such attempt was made.
    ilovelamp2000 wrote:

    The fact is Pamela failed in ORAC and RAT, the two bodies set up to decide on asylum applications - they knew her claim was lacking credibility to put it mildly. She then engaged on a long campaign through Courts because she didn't get the answer she wanted, costing the Irish taxpayer millions, which also found exactly the same.

    Why isn't it enough that she was refused by two sets of decision makers ? Why does she need to be rejected by every decision maker possible ?

    ....because she's legally entitled to. Not having constructed Irish law herself, I'd say its somebody else to look up for that one.


  • #615
    Phenomenally Phrank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭Phenomenally Phrank


    She's a liar, a chancer and a freeloader. Change the laws and throw her the **** out of the country!


  • #616
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    walshb wrote: »

    As for the chip on my shoulder. I guess it just exasperates me to see Libya being bombed and destroyed by the U.S. and U.K and others, and we are left to foot part of the bill, the rebuild etc. It's madness. The people sure need help, but why is it up to Paddy all the time? If the U.S and others can waste millions on destroying this country, then they damn well can waste millions fixing it. It's crazy!

    Och ochón agus ochón ó!!!!!!!!!!!


  • #617
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Nodin wrote: »
    Och ochón agus ochón ó!!!!!!!!!!!

    Nodin...do you still support her case or what?

    sorry for the direct question.


  • #618
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    thebigbiffo wrote: »
    Nodin...do you still support her case or what?

    sorry for the direct question.

    NP - always best to cut to the chase where possible.

    Course not. Shes exposed a chancer, who has blackened (unfortunate wording) the name of others trying to get out of various hellholes for genuine reasons. Game over now and she can fuck off. And if it turned out she coached her children to lie about having a non-existent dead sister, she needs a kick in the gee.


  • #619
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Nodin wrote: »
    NP - always best to cut to the chase where possible.

    Course not. Shes exposed a chancer, who has blackened (unfortunate wording) the name of others trying to get out of various hellholes for genuine reasons. Game over now and she can fuck off. And if it turned out she coached her children to lie about having a non-existent dead sister, she needs a kick in the gee.

    It's good to know that - she's really indefensible.

    But the problem is the case highlighted what many new for years; there is an entire industry has now sprung up, and a large section of people are creaming it in defence of a huge amount of bogus asylum seekers and it should be stopped.

    I know you dont like anecdotal evidence but what can I do except tell you where my opinions come from! My friend worked in immigration for the dept of justice. his job was to review applications, interview applicants and make decisions on them - basically as involved in the asylum process as it's possible to be. he made the point to me a number of times that the vast majority of asylum seekers from Africa are far from in need of asylum - the majority are the class of people that you need asylum from. someone who is truly in need of asylum cannot afford passage all the way to Ireland. for the most part applicants are either criminals or the children of rich middle class parents - he saw only a handful of genuine cases in the years he did this work.

    it makes perfect sense - how can you expect a genuine asylum seeker from sub-saharan Africa to afford to come the whole way to the western edge of Europe.


  • #620
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ....and the vast majority don't get in. Hence my annoyance at the amount of attention it attracts vs the numbers.


  • #621
    JustAddWater
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    thebigbiffo wrote: »
    how can you expect a genuine asylum seeker from sub-saharan Africa to afford to come the whole way to the western edge of Europe.


    I thought it was the law that you must claim asylum in the first country you land in?

    Funny because a lot come through the UK and elsewhere in europe


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  • #622
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    JustAddWater wrote: »
    I thought it was the law that you must claim asylum in the first country you land in?

    Funny because a lot come through the UK and elsewhere in europe

    This is a common misconception - so common it was causing a problem elsewhere. This explains the thing.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59465073&postcount=3


  • #623
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....and the vast majority don't get in. Hence my annoyance at the amount of attention it attracts vs the numbers.

    i disagree, i think the attention is well deserved. as mentioned, a whole industry (especially around the legal profession) has sprung up to defend these people and keep them in the country (even though we agree a huge amount do not deserve asylum). these con artists cost the state a lot if not directly then through these spin-off 'industries'. it's not comparable to the bank debt but it's significant and should be stopped.
    JustAddWater wrote: »
    I thought it was the law that you must claim asylum in the first country you land in?

    Funny because a lot come through the UK and elsewhere in europe

    you are right of course and it's more evidence (as if any were needed) that we are quite simply being taken for a ride.


  • #624
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Nodin wrote: »
    This is a common misconception - so common it was causing a problem elsewhere. This explains the thing.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59465073&postcount=3

    fair enough, but i think the overall issue is still the same as regards how they end up in ireland. how can an AS from africa (where even the rich aren't that rich) move through x amount of countries just to get here? one flight is enough - but 2-3!? if that's not pointing towards a scam then nothing is.


  • #625
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    thebigbiffo wrote: »
    i disagree, i think the attention is well deserved. as mentioned, a whole industry (especially around the legal profession) has sprung up to defend these people and keep them in the country (even though we agree a huge amount do not deserve asylum). these con artists cost the state a lot if not directly then through these spin-off 'industries'. it's not comparable to the bank debt but it's significant and should be stopped.

    ..............

    The rate of asylum granted in this country in 2010 was 1.5 % Thats One Point Five. Its never been over 11%. The European average is well over 20%.

    Not only that, but delays are quite literally for years - over 5 in some cases.


  • #626
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,689 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Well, who cares about how many get rejected, and who cares if more get rejected than let in? That is irrelevant. The fact is that here in Ireland there are many who are bogus. That is the issue, NOT those who get rejected. The country is awash with scam asylum seekers, yes, many are genuine, great, but many are not. That is the whole damn problem. Yet folks somehow want to excuse it with the lame excuse that more get rejected?:rolleyes:


  • #627
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    walshb wrote: »
    Well, who cares about how many get rejected, and who cares if more get rejected than let in? That is irrelevant. The fact is that here in Ireland there are many who are bogus. That is the issue, NOT those who get rejected.
    The country is wash with scam asylum seekers, yes, many are genuine, great, nut many are not. That is the whole damn problem. Yet folks somehow want to excuse it with the lame excuse that more get rejected?:rolleyes:


    Good to see you leaving out the oul hyperbole there, Walshb.

    ...awash with scammers, while we're forced to live in huts made of empty dutch gold cans, forced to starve while we ship bowls of porridge to Africa, that they trade for guns, made labour in the sun to rebuild Iraqistanya.....WHY ARE WE SO ACCURSED BY GOD!!!!!!!!!????!!!!!!!!!!


  • #628
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Nodin wrote: »
    The rate of asylum granted in this country in 2010 was 1.5 % Thats One Point Five. Its never been over 11%. The European average is well over 20%.

    Not only that, but delays are quite literally for years - over 5 in some cases.

    firstly - that sounds like a true reflection of numbers and they should be about that % considering we discussed above that the vast majority of applicants are scammers. the problem arises when you take a look at the % who actually end up being sent home - 25% according to one report. this is a reflection on how the legal profession, the AS's and their support organisation ride roughshod all over our laws. they drag out cases for years on end motivated for the most part by money - the taxpayers money. that's why your 'delays' are so long - it's due to the influence of the very people you would consider on your side of this argument. they couldn't care less about the actual AS's - they only see a number beside their name.


  • #629
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    thebigbiffo wrote: »
    firstly - that sounds like a true reflection of numbers and they should be about that % considering we discussed above that the vast majority of applicants are scammers. the problem arises when you take a look at the % who actually end up being sent home - 25% according to one report. this is a reflection on how the legal profession, the AS's and their support organisation ride roughshod all over our laws. they drag out cases for years on end motivated for the most part by money - the taxpayers money. that's why your 'delays' are so long - it's due to the influence of the very people you would consider on your side of this argument. they couldn't care less about the actual AS's - they only see a number beside their name.


    The appeals only start when status is either granted or refused. When referring to a wait of 5 years, people are often referring to the process. The idea of a racket is the wheedling excuse the last Government when tackled by the UN on its mess of a system.

    The Irish system was being undermined by misinformation, propaganda and what amounted to a “legal racket” among immigration lawyers, he said. Delays in the decision-making process were caused by “ambush-type applications” to the courts by applicants, often at the very last minute.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0525/1224297714610.html
    THE UN refugee agency has warned that the Government’s failure to pass an immigration Bill is having a “serious impact on the human rights” of asylum seekers and costing the State money.
    In an unusual step, the UNHCR has also appealed to all political parties ahead of the election to overhaul the asylum system by introducing a single procedure for assessing asylum claims as soon as a new government is formed.
    In a letter sent to all party leaders, the agency warns the lack of a single procedure has led to a protection gap, whereby people fleeing torture have to wait for years before their application for protection is considered. The lengthy delays are placing a considerable burden on the State, it says.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0214/1224289736654.html


  • #630
    Ally Dick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    Time for me to get the nearest plane out of Ireland. We're too thick, inassertive and gullible to do anything about freeloaders in this country. I've seen beggars handing out paper towels in the toilets being given two euro coins by gobsh!tes regularly. Our country is being destroyed by these parasites and we're too thick to react


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  • #631
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,689 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Ally, you racist bastard.

    Sorry, just beating Nodin to it.


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