Tipperary Venue

rantie · 13-06-2011 09:19PM

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Why knock someone who is trying?

Honestly, I'm not knocking. I'm trying to see if there are alternatives. Just because I don't fall down in a dead faint in front of the first idea I see doesn't mean I condemn all ideas.

Trigger13222 · 13-06-2011 09:22PM

Bella mamma wrote: »

They don't cause the same damage

Great for jobs, Christmas parties, Stags nights......

Great for Tipp? Not a chance. Once the first stories of breakdowns spread, The Community will curse the day the sod was turned.

It's not so difficult to become an addict.

I don't think you fully understand how much damage alcohol has caused to people and there families , is it just the fact that it seems to be the done thing to drink its ok.

Pherekydes · 13-06-2011 09:25PM

MCMLXXV wrote: »

I'm not a gambler but I'm going to Vegas later this year.;)

Fair enough. But LV is dead last on my bucket list.

rantie · 13-06-2011 09:26PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Your logic to the property bubble doesnt apply here. You throw up the property bubble everytime someone has an idea in this country?

These investors have successfully operated casinos in this country and abroad before. This venture has the backing of major players in the horseracing industry and music industry. If a multinational company was trying to setup shop here creating that much jobs, you wouldnt be complaining at all!

If the recession was such an issue, they could have pulled the plug 2-3 years ago and saved themselves €40m that they have already spent.

These investors have not operated casinos; they are not legal in this jurisdiction. They have operated gaming clubs. Quirkeys in Dublin operates, according to Prime Time, outside the law. The law on gaming is from the 1950s. There is no current law permitting casinos.
The music venue is not approved.
The scale of the thing is not useful, it concentrates people in an area where there is no other tourism infrastructure worth talking about. It is more of the centrist thinking that keeps all large investment within reach of Dublin. Why not move the whole thing to Shannon if it must be built, or Knock, or Farranfore? At least there are airports there.

galwayrush · 13-06-2011 09:29PM

rantie wrote: »

Las Vegas still is 'the arshole of nowhere'. Go and try to live there. Is this the absolute best you can think of for an Irish setting?
Why do we have to copy every piece of fake crap that we saw on our visit to the US. Why a copy of the White House? Why a copy of Las Vegas? Why yet another golf course when the ones we have are in difficulties? Even the K club is having to let the great unwashed in now.

Private investors, their money,

Regarding Las Vegas, Some nice residental areas there, with facilities we could only dream of in this country.
Why don't you try and come up with something that would bring in visitors and money.:rolleyes:

My name is URL · 13-06-2011 09:32PM

rantie wrote: »

Your snide sarcasm is no substitute for argument. How popular is 'Travel Age West'?
One American magazine does not make an argument.
It depends which masses you pander to. Temple Bar pandered to the British stag night trade. Hardly an outstanding success. Didn't impress the tourists who weren't trying to fall down drunk in their own vomit.

I was merely pointing out the fact that your pessimistic outlook on what views others have of Ireland is somewhat misguided. Does it matter how popular the magazine is? The point was that Ireland topped the list of European destinations.

Just because you don't see this venture as classy enough doesn't make it any less of a viable one. There's plenty of people who would be happy to visit such a place and spend their money there. You're free to spend your own where you please.

From what I've seen so far, the Tipp Venue isn't going to be positioning itself as a centre of high-culture.. It is what it is.

rantie · 13-06-2011 09:33PM

galwayrush wrote: »

Private investors, their money,
Regarding Las Vegas, Some nice residental areas there, with facilities we could only dream of in this country.
Why don't you try and come up with something that would bring in visitors and money.:rolleyes:

I'm not pretending to be an expert on tourism. I'm saying that some things are obviously contextually ridiculous, and this hare-brained idea is one of them. I can't think of an alternative. Can you? Just because we aren't experts, does that mean we can't have an opinion? Do we have to continue to follow slavishly every mad scheme?

flas · 13-06-2011 09:41PM

Annalee Limited Pedigree wrote: »

It will get a lot of business from stag nights and corporate evenings and the likes. Best of luck to them.

Still, I can't help thinking the full scale replica of the White House is a little tacky...

target market id say...

Dempsey · 13-06-2011 09:45PM

rantie wrote: »

These investors have not operated casinos; they are not legal in this jurisdiction. They have operated gaming clubs. Quirkeys in Dublin operates, according to Prime Time, outside the law. The law on gaming is from the 1950s. There is no current law permitting casinos.
The music venue is not approved.
The scale of the thing is not useful, it concentrates people in an area where there is no other tourism infrastructure worth talking about. It is more of the centrist thinking that keeps all large investment within reach of Dublin. Why not move the whole thing to Shannon if it must be built, or Knock, or Farranfore? At least there are airports there.

Well he is operating a few up in Dublin despite what the law says. Do you think his business background doesnt help him with this venture?

The plans for the music venue will be revised and will get its planning permission, do you think that they will give up that easy?

When you say tourism infrastructure, what exactly are you talking about? You can spit on the motorway from where the site is and the venue will have a helipad. Shuttling rich people from any airport and back shouldnt be much of a problem.

If being near an airport was such a major part of the plan, why doesnt he see that? Its obvious that it has been considered and seen as not an issue. You are just being negative for the sake of it tbh

rantie · 13-06-2011 09:45PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I was merely pointing out the fact that your pessimistic outlook on what views others have of Ireland is somewhat misguided. Does it matter how popular the magazine is? The point was that Ireland topped the list of European destinations.

Just because you don't see this venture as classy enough doesn't make it any less of a viable one. There's plenty of people who would be happy to visit such a place and spend their money there. You're free to spend your own where you please.

From what I've seen so far, the Tipp Venue isn't going to be positioning itself as a centre of high-culture.. It is what it is.

All I'm saying is that credits in one of hundreds of thousands of trade magazines is hardly a resounding endorsement. Ireland is NOT one of the top destinations in four of the major European trade journals.

Americans are in the same fiscal state we are; what makes you think they are going to travel any time soon?

The Venu IS what it is, I agree. I also agree that it is not positioning itself as a cultural destination. What I AM asking is, is that the best solution to our tourism problem. Aping our American cousins. They have better infrastructure, more experience, and a higher tolerance of deviant behaviour than we do.
Monte Carlo and Nice have better infrastructure, better weather, and appeal to people who are big spenders. Do we need this mega-casino which will NOT attract the big players?

rebel without a clue · 13-06-2011 09:46PM

daddydick wrote: »

???

Would love to know what car you are driving? I cant stand people manipulating stats to help their argument when it is clearly obvious that they are doing so. That also goes to an earlier post who claimed Thurles was two miles from here and H&J Hotel one mile???? :rolleyes: Takes from the validity of your argument.

oh god arrest me why dont you? one or two miles in the difference. i was making a point that its very close to another hotel on the motorway etc. :rolleyes:

ArmaniJeanss · 13-06-2011 09:47PM

rantie wrote: »

Where are the required 1,000,000 million plus visitors per annum going to come from? Las Vegas?

If the entire population of the world vists 130 times each every year then the 1,000,000 million is sorted.

Kevin Duffy · 13-06-2011 09:51PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Well he is operating a few up in Dublin despite what the law says. Do you think his business background doesnt help him with this venture?

The plans for the music venue will be revised and will get its planning permission, do you think that they will give up that easy?

When you say tourism infrastructure, what exactly are you talking about? You can spit on the motorway from where the site is and the venue will have a helipad. Shuttling rich people from any airport and back shouldnt be much of a problem.

If being near an airport was such a major part of the plan, why doesnt he see that? Its obvious that it has been considered and seen as not an issue. You are just being negative for the sake of it tbh

You are just being positive for the sake of it tbh. See how that works?

bonerm · 13-06-2011 09:51PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

If the entire population of the world vists 130 times each every year then the 1,000,000 million is sorted.

TBH I can't find the time to visit this venue 130 times per year. Could someone do me a favour and go 260 times in order to make up for my absence. Cheers.

rantie · 13-06-2011 09:52PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Well he is operating a few up in Dublin despite what the law says. Do you think his business background doesnt help him with this venture?

The plans for the music venue will be revised and will get its planning permission, do you think that they will give up that easy?

When you say tourism infrastructure, what exactly are you talking about? You can spit on the motorway from where the site is and the venue will have a helipad. Shuttling rich people from any airport and back shouldnt be much of a problem.

If being near an airport was such a major part of the plan, why doesnt he see that? Its obvious that it has been considered and seen as not an issue. You are just being negative for the sake of it tbh

I beg to disagree about being negative for the sake of it. A motorway is not infrastructure by itself; nor is the proximity of the Airport.
If Ireland had a track record of going after the big spenders, I might be less negative. But we don't. And, frankly I don't think that Donald Trump is going to be first in the queue to use this 'facility'. Nor any of his ilk.
Infrastructure is choice. We can't yet rise to a decent level of catering in this country outside of isolated places, mostly in Dublin and Cork.
I've gotta go. Thanks, Dempsey for the courtesy of a reasoned argument.
Cu

beertons · 13-06-2011 10:02PM

How in the name of jay sus did they get the go ahead for this? An Bord Pleanala should be closed down immediately. A full scale copy of the white house to be built. For what? Unless this lad is paying for the whole thing in cash, there's no way a bank should grant a loan for this. For a horse track, and golf course. The dude is lighting a few too many scented candles.

Dempsey · 13-06-2011 10:03PM

rantie wrote: »

I beg to disagree about being negative for the sake of it. A motorway is not infrastructure by itself; nor is the proximity of the Airport.
If Ireland had a track record of going after the big spenders, I might be less negative. But we don't. And, frankly I don't think that Donald Trump is going to be first in the queue to use this 'facility'. Nor any of his ilk.
Infrastructure is choice. We can't yet rise to a decent level of catering in this country outside of isolated places, mostly in Dublin and Cork.
I've gotta go. Thanks, Dempsey for the courtesy of a reasoned argument.
Cu

I think you are looking at this all wrong.

The 15,000 multi-purpose arena (it will get its planning permission in time), racecourse, golf course & dog track will be the main tools for attracting people to the site, the casino is the incentive to stay the weekend or longer than one normally would. This place isnt trying to save the tourism industry it isnt trying to take people from Vegas or Monte Carlo!

Dempsey · 13-06-2011 10:05PM

beertons wrote: »

How in the name of jay sus did they get the go ahead for this? An Bord Pleanala should be closed down immediately. A full scale copy of the white house to be built. For what? Unless this lad is paying for the whole thing in cash, there's no way a bank should grant a loan for this. For a horse track, and golf course. The dude is lighting a few too many scented candles.

He and his investors are not going be using bank money at any stage

daddydick · 13-06-2011 10:07PM

rebel without a clue wrote: »

oh god arrest me why dont you? one or two miles in the difference. i was making a point that its very close to another hotel on the motorway etc. :rolleyes:

It seems that you're at it again. You originally said that it's two miles to Thurles racecourse and now you say you might be out by one or two miles - it's actually 6.7 miles from Turnpike to Thurles Racecourse.

And you said that it's one mile to Horse and Jockey, but you might be out by "one or two miles". It's actually 5.3 miles from Turnpike to H&J.

So your original argument is ridiculously wrong and your revised distances are not much better.

You cannot go making up your own facts to skew your argument if you want to be taken seriously:rolleyes:

STIG83 · 13-06-2011 10:08PM

Sounds like the biggest waste of money ever.

Bella mamma · 13-06-2011 10:09PM

Trigger13222 wrote: »

I don't think you fully understand how much damage alcohol has caused to people and there families , is it just the fact that it seems to be the done thing to drink its ok.

Oh, I understand alright........see the 'hungover' thread!

I'm referring to gambling addicts.

rebel without a clue · 13-06-2011 10:17PM

daddydick wrote: »

It seems that you're at it again. You originally said that it's two miles to Thurles racecourse and now you say you might be out by one or two miles - it's actually 6.7 miles from Turnpike to Thurles Racecourse.

And you said that it's one mile to Horse and Jockey, but you might be out by "one or two miles". It's actually 5.3 miles from Turnpike to H&J.

So your original argument is ridiculously wrong and your revised distances are not much better.

You cannot go making up your own facts to skew your argument if you want to be taken seriously:rolleyes:

well done to you. getting the exact milage correct. id say youre great fun at parties?

jumpymunky · 13-06-2011 10:18PM

Ah sure I suppose its a good idea to add a bit of diversification to NAMAs property portfolio.

Sure selling all those thousands of houses and apartments that were built and never needed will probably drag after a couple of years....

beertons · 13-06-2011 10:22PM

Dempsey wrote: »

He and his investors are not going be using bank money at any stage

Does he pay any income tax? We all know he has a cash business. What's stopping him to say his machines only make 50 cent a day each, when he's absolutely rolling it in. It's just the same as taxi drivers from years ago, and driving instructors these days.

mikemac · 13-06-2011 10:27PM

What a nonsense thread

The backers are from Tipperary. If I ever become a genius entrepreneur I'd like to setup in my local area.

It's private money and backers and will create construction jobs and then jobs afterwards.
Even if it fails it will still have construction jobs. Did you see Lowry crying for taxpayers money? I didn't

That man does more for North Tipp then Mr Anonymous Noel Coonan or that man we sent to Europe and promised he'd serve a term and then didn't, Alan Kelly former MEP

Ah but this is Ireland where we knock everything before it happens.
Lowry did secure a change in gambling legislation. Maybe he should have been like Healy Rae and secure a bypass and nursing home places.

With most posters on boards in Dublin, if this complex was on the M50, this place would be welcoming the new jobs

But no, it's the "middle of nowhere". Never mind it's easy access to the M7, M9 and Shannon, Cork and Dublin airport and the second busiest main railine in the country

Kevin Duffy · 13-06-2011 10:27PM

Dempsey wrote: »

He and his investors are not going be using bank money at any stage

Have you a source for that?

Dempsey · 13-06-2011 10:32PM

beertons wrote: »

Does he pay any income tax? We all know he has a cash business. What's stopping him to say his machines only make 50 cent a day each, when he's absolutely rolling it in. It's just the same as taxi drivers from years ago, and driving instructors these days.

Its up to the government/revenue commissioners to regulate how gambling is licenced/taxes are collected.

Chris P. Bacon · 13-06-2011 10:37PM

STIG83 wrote: »

Sounds like the biggest waste of money ever.

Why?

Nevermind_ · 13-06-2011 10:40PM

mikemac wrote: »

What a nonsense thread

Ah but this is Ireland where we knock everything before it happens.
Lowry did secure a change in gambling legislation. Maybe he should have been like Healy Rae and secure a bypass and nursing home places.

This is the bit that I find interesting.
By the way the legislation for this hasnt even been published yet all that has been done is a report into Gambling in Ireland and any new legislation will be most likely be formed from those findings.

One of which is the awarding of licences for large casinos.

so lets see so far we have Lowry, a licence to be awarded, a wealthy businessman who wants to be wealthier.

Hmmm where have I heard all this before... getting serious deja vu.:rolleyes:

i dont really have a problem with someone spending private money to do something like this, but i wonder why the last time someone wanted to do this in the old phoenix park racecourse in the late nineties he was shot down by the government at the time.

if they build it best of luck to them, i hope it works out even though I think its nucking futs

Richard Hillman · 13-06-2011 10:42PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I think you are looking at this all wrong.

The 15,000 multi-purpose arena (it will get its planning permission in time), racecourse, golf course & dog track will be the main tools for attracting people to the site, the casino is the incentive to stay the weekend or longer than one normally would. This place isnt trying to save the tourism industry it isnt trying to take people from Vegas or Monte Carlo!

I find the objection to the arena very bizarre. 15,000 would be bigger than the o2 arena. The south needs an arena that size. Interesting to know that the o2 arena is owned by livenation who are in co-ops with the prophets of evil MCD. It would be in both of their interests for that not to be built.

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