Tipperary Venue

David086

Who the fuck would have the money to go to this place? But doesn't the voiceover guy seem excited?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcxjPazFB2w

red menace

Gambling addicts will always find the money

Seachmall

I genuinely can't wait until this place opens. I think they said about 3 years construction.

Twill be a great getaway for gamblers and non-gamblers alike.

My name is URL

What's with all the outrage over this place? You'd think nobody had ever gambled in Ireland before..

I think it's a great idea.. it's privately funded and if successful will create over 3000 jobs.

rebel without a clue

its ridiculous. the nearest town (2 miles) already has a horse racing track, a dog track, hotels. There is already a georgous hotel only 1 mile from the venue on the motorway too. All this is doing is creating jobs for the construction industry. When its built, up and running for about a year, it'll will die a slow death then. The country is riddled with empty hotels and they're giving panning permission to build more???!!!

Cat Melodeon

I'm just hoping my unemployed relations and friends get jobs either building or working in the place. There has to be some benefit to having our village turned into CSI:The Bog.

Run_to_da_hills

They should nip this white elephant in the bud right now.

Surely to god we have now learned our mistakes.

Chuck Stone

I think it will be a great place.

Did he say a Chapel!?

Cat Melodeon

rebel without a clue wrote: »

its ridiculous. the nearest town (2 miles) already has a horse racing track, a dog track, hotels. There is already a georgous hotel only 1 mile from the venue on the motorway too. All this is doing is creating jobs for the construction industry. When its built, up and running for about a year, it'll will die a slow death then. The country is riddled with empty hotels and they're giving panning permission to build more???!!!

The nearest town (Thurles) is 5.5 miles from the proposed venue.

The 'gorgeous hotel' (presumably the Jockey?) is 6 miles up the road and gets most of it's trade from local business that probably won't shift too much in favour of a giant development.


Thurles horse track is an absolute dive and the owners are happy to do a deal with the Venue.

The dog track is decent enough but also willing to cut a deal.

As for creating jobs for the construction industry, if it's private money, who cares? It's not costing you anything.

cosanostra

My name is URL wrote: »

What's with all the outrage over this place? You'd think nobody had ever gambled in Ireland before..

I think it's a great idea.. it's privately funded and if successful will create over 3000 jobs.

We will be lucky if there is 1000 jobs created in this thats just a nice thought to get the planning through also wait till you see the large number of imported workers this place will have

Chuck Stone

This is a private venture and it falls on it's arse big deal?

I hope it works out well for Tipp.

WindSock

I hope there is no alcohol served on the premises either. You know, just in case it attracts alcohol addicts....

Dob74

No doubts AIB and BOI will be financing this scam.
So the taxpayer will have another failed development to bail out.

Celly Smunt

cosanostra wrote: »

We will be lucky if there is 1000 jobs created in this thats just a nice thought to get the planning through also wait till you see the large number of imported workers this place will have

highly unlikely

Micky Dolenz

Don't knock enterprise, it's what we need right now.

Chuck Stone

I'm gonna bring tree fiddy up there and blow it.

My name is URL

Dob74 wrote: »

No doubts AIB and BOI will be financing this scam.
So the taxpayer will have another failed development to bail out.

It's being financed by private investors, not banks.

Richard Hillman

It will create a lot of jobs and would keep money in the economy for groups of lads that may go abroad for a weekend away. I think it needs a lot more than a casino, horse track, a couple of bars and a replica of the white house though. It needs to be turned into a party venue. Although Las Vegas when it started, started off small. So it could have potential.

rebel without a clue

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

The nearest town (Thurles) is 5.5 miles from the proposed venue.

The 'gorgeous hotel' (presumably the Jockey?) is 6 miles up the road and gets most of it's trade from local business that probably won't shift too much in favour of a giant development.


Thurles horse track is an absolute dive and the owners are happy to do a deal with the Venue.

The dog track is decent enough but also willing to cut a deal.

As for creating jobs for the construction industry, if it's private money, who cares? It's not costing you anything.

im guess im just saying that there are facilities in the locality already. Why not invest in them and develop the town(god knows its needed) as a whole. your right the horse track is terrible and its not looked after or maintained but the rest.......?? another hotel? cmon! but then as you said its privat money.

Logical Fallacy

My name is URL wrote: »

It's being financed by private investors, not banks.

Tee hee hee - where did they get the money for it? Insured loans. You can bet your ass it's not their cabbage money they are spending.

pappyodaniel

This piece of sh!t has Michael Lowry written all over it.

tonycascarino

Should be good. Looking forward to it's completion already.

Kevin Duffy

cosanostra wrote: »

We will be lucky if there is 1000 jobs created in this thats just a nice thought to get the planning through also wait till you see the large number of imported workers this place will have

For the "associated trades sector", ahem, some people will be very grateful they won't be local.

cml387

Let me give you a vision of the future.

Another general election has taken place,and Michael Lowry is part of an independent group whose votes are being sought to form a government.

The venue has been partly built but one or two of the backers have pulled out.

Lowry has stated that his support requires government funding to complete the venue.

"A tragedy if this fine project is left to rot". "The death of rural Ireland being supported by the Dublin media"."Thousands of jobs are at risk"

phasers

My ma is already planning her trip down, bleedin slot jockey

sgb

What happen's in Tipp stays in Tipp

Seachmall

sgb wrote: »

What happen's in Tipp stays in Tipp

If we can apply that to Tipp people I'm all for it!

latenia

Opening a casino is not entrepreneurship. Casinos do not create wealth. Jobs created are fewer and lower paying than those destroyed. <snip> Repeat these points over numerous threads, provide links to back up your argument that no-one reads. Get called a begrudger or a jealous Dubliner. Wonder what the point is even trying to reason with the kind of people who carry Lowry on their shoulders at election counts.

Gallant_JJ

The architecture is 'organic'? I really don't think so, but I'm sure the planners came in their pants when they heard the words used.

Mint Sauce

I have been saving the money from my goverment savings scheme precisely for this. Didn't have enough for Vegas.

MrMatisse

I dont understand the negativity. A man tries to do something spectacular with his own money with the aim of making a few quid, creating jobs and attracting tourists, many of which we are not attracting any more as standing about looking at the scenery isnt for everyone, there is so much negativity.

Fair play to him. I hope it works.

mfceiling

Every fcuking time something gets a green light then the half empty brigade come out.

Nothing would ever get done with these fcuking whingers. They moan about infrastructure, roads,hospitals or hotels being built.

There would be no motorway network if these clowns were in charge - oh it might go through a field that has a badger in it - it's called progress....move the fcuk over or get run over!!

jimthemental

I'm from urlingford just down the road and the town has been hit bad with both the recession and the bypass. This thing is badly needed for temporary and permanent employment as half our town is either gone or going to Australia. It's an inspired location for greyhound and horse racing too because you can fly into cork and be there in an hour and a bit from UK or even bring across an animal by boat and hop on the motorway. I can't stand lowry but this is private money.

Tehachapi

Las Vegas has 30-40c degree heat, in the middle of the desert and the most beautiful mountains/desert/landforms in the world- huge discounted outlet malls, shows, landmarks, practically legalized prostitution, drugs, guns, 24-hour alcohol served, etc - there's a lot more to do than just gamble. There are no rules in Vegas, that's why Americans go there to chill out. It's a brilliant atmosphere. 3-4 hour drive to Hollywood, LA. etc.

I can only imagine the Irish equivalent, backwards catholic influenced drinking/gambling laws - even if the place does get the go ahead, the atmosphere will be a load of crap. Irish tourism should stick to what it is - reduce costs of resteraunts, hotels, car rentals, and stop f**king ripping off tourists and we might attract visitors. Creating a 'las vegas' in tipperary just has fail written all over it.

daddydick

Arguments against the employment of 1,000 construction jobs over the next 3 years?

Arguments against the creation of 1,000 - 2,000 jobs for local people well into the future?

Arguments against the collection of millions in taxes as a result of this venue?

Arguments against the development a world-class race track and a venue with world class facilities which will replace an old race track which is falling apart and does not have any appeal to visitors?

Remember that anyone who gambles online is doing so into Jersey/IOM registered companies (Boyle's/PP Gaming etc) and no tax is paid on any winnings. There is a huge opportunity for the State to make a fortune on Corp Tax, PAYE/PRSI, Income Tax, VAT, stamp duty on the building etc etc..

PROGRESS people, it's all about making progress and getting this country back on it's feet. Compared this development to any other hotel is nonsense. I for one hope this project is a success as I think the potential is amazing for this place.

daddydick

Tehachapi wrote: »

Las Vegas has 30-40c degree heat, in the middle of the desert and the most beautiful mountains/desert/landforms in the world- huge discounted outlet malls, shows, landmarks, practically legalized prostitution, drugs, guns, 24-hour alcohol served, etc - there's a lot more to do than just gamble. There are no rules in Vegas, that's why Americans go there to chill out. It's a brilliant atmosphere. 3-4 hour drive to Hollywood, LA. etc.

I can only imagine the Irish equivalent, backwards catholic influenced drinking/gambling laws - even if the place does get the go ahead, the atmosphere will be a load of crap. Irish tourism should stick to what it is - reduce costs of resteraunts, hotels, car rentals, and stop f**king ripping off tourists and we might attract visitors. Creating a 'las vegas' in tipperary just has fail written all over it.

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Would love to know what car you are driving? I cant stand people manipulating stats to help their argument when it is clearly obvious that they are doing so. That also goes to an earlier post who claimed Thurles was two miles from here and H&J Hotel one mile???? :rolleyes: Takes from the validity of your argument.

Kevin Duffy

Where do people think this "private money" is coming from? Do you think developers just have millions sitting in the bank and they hang around thinking "what madcap, altruistic japes can I risk my own money on next??"? Private money me shíte - we'll underwrite it through the banks - if it succeeds they'll profit, if it fails we'll lose.

MrMatisse

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Where do people think this "private money" is coming from? Do you think developers just have millions sitting in the bank and they hang around thinking "what madcap, altruistic japes can I risk my own money on next??"? Private money me shíte - we'll underwrite it through the banks - if it succeeds they'll profit, if it fails we'll lose.

Em foreign casino operators.......

Hardly madcap.

El Weirdo

Erm... Wasn't our own Las Vegas supposed to be built in the hills of Donegal?

epgc3fyqirnbsx

It will get a lot of business from stag nights and corporate evenings and the likes. Best of luck to them.

Still, I can't help thinking the full scale replica of the White House is a little tacky...

MrMatisse

El Weirdo wrote: »

Erm... Wasn't our own Las Vegas supposed to be built in the hills of Donegal?

Nobody else round here is gona get that!

(Its a song by a Donegal band)

Kevin Duffy

MrMatisse wrote: »

Nobody else round here is gona get that!

(Its a song by a Donegal band)

Goats Don't Shave and I'll bet I wasn't the only one who understood it.

daddydick

MrMatisse wrote: »

Nobody else round here is gona get that!

(Its a song by a Donegal band)

In fairness it's pretty well known - remember The Dubliners and Saw Doc's covering it!!

jimthemental

Annalee Limited Pedigree wrote: »

It will get a lot of business from stag nights and corporate evenings and the likes. Best of luck to them.

Still, I can't help thinking the full scale replica of the White House is a little tacky...

I don't know. It's the white house as it was in Hoban's time not as it is now. I definitely want to have a gawk because I'm distantly related to him, that's bias though I suppose.

cosanostra

El Weirdo wrote: »

Erm... Wasn't our own Las Vegas supposed to be built in the hills of Donegal?

Still waiting up here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL_PXBt85rY

Cantona's Collars

Fixed that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL_PXBt85rY

jimthemental

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Where do people think this "private money" is coming from? Do you think developers just have millions sitting in the bank and they hang around thinking "what madcap, altruistic japes can I risk my own money on next??"? Private money me shíte - we'll underwrite it through the banks - if it succeeds they'll profit, if it fails we'll lose.

Well it's hardly coming from an Irish bank, they wouldn't give you the steam off their piss even if you could change it to gold and give it back to them.

JustAddWater

David086 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcxjPazFB2w

Jaysus, the bus bet around that roundabout @ 2:05 there!

That's it, I'm not going...

patmac

I think they missed a big opportunity here a few miles East and they could have called it 'Monte Carlow'!

Kevin Duffy

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Where do people think this "private money" is coming from? Do you think developers just have millions sitting in the bank and they hang around thinking "what madcap, altruistic japes can I risk my own money on next??"? Private money me shíte - we'll underwrite it through the banks - if it succeeds they'll profit, if it fails we'll lose.

MrMatisse wrote: »

Em foreign casino operators.......

Hardly madcap.

What foreign casino operators? The group that started the plan was lead by the Irish owner of Dr. Quirkey's and included or includes local business people and horse trainers. Naturally, Michael Lowry is or was involved.

My point was that people keep saying "private money" like it was gonna come out of the pockets of the "investors" - it won't, it'll be loans etc. from banks we are gonna be paying for anyway, but if it succeeds the venue owners and bank share/bondholders will profit, where if it fails, it'll be added to the losses we're paying for. If you don't see that and imagine they're gonna put nothing but their own money in and assume all (or even any if they can manage it) the risks, you don't know anything about finance.

My name is URL

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Where do people think this "private money" is coming from? Do you think developers just have millions sitting in the bank and they hang around thinking "what madcap, altruistic japes can I risk my own money on next??"? Private money me shíte - we'll underwrite it through the banks - if it succeeds they'll profit, if it fails we'll lose.

I think much of the investment is coming from overseas, but I'm open to correction on that.

What you say could be applied to any new business venture, but that shouldn't stop people who have an idea and the means to get it off the ground from trying to do so.