Tipperary Venue

Dempsey · 13-06-2011 08:36PM

rantie wrote: »

I am glad to see that the disaster that has befallen this country hasn't put off the good ole boys who brought it about. Nothing daunted they are going to put a 900 acre theme park and gaming venue in the middle of Ireland, one of the least favourite destinations in Europe at present.
Where are the required 1,000,000 million plus visitors per annum going to come from? Las Vegas?
If you seriously believe that destroying a large part of Tipperary to provide the most useless and fruitless form of 'entertainment' adds anything to 'Ireland Inc.', then there really is no hope at all for this country to move forward with some shred of dignity.
We sold the family silver to the banks, now we are going to use the money to gamble. Anyone see anything odd about this? No...?
As a nation, we're not safe to be let out on our own.

ROFL! How big do you think this place is??

I doubt this country will make any progress with your type of thinking

rantie · 13-06-2011 08:37PM

There can be no doubt of the transparency and robustness of the criteria used by An Bord Pleanala in coming to their decision. And, of course all of the considerations discussed will be in the public domain immediately, as befits an agency of the people!
No possibility of improper conduct could even be imagined. And, that it has the strong support of no lesser man than Michael Lowry, a representative of the people, means that all our best interests have been served, without his having any regard to his own.
Of course.

rantie · 13-06-2011 08:41PM

Dempsey wrote: »

ROFL! How big do you think this place is??

I doubt this country will make any progress with your type of thinking

Funny, I live in the sticks, I know what 800+ acres looks like. Why don't you play the game and not the man?
What exactly is it that is so great about the thinking that leads to meaningless wasteful activity on a grand scale being monumentalised in Tipperary?

brimal · 13-06-2011 08:41PM

The guy doing the voiceover in that video makes me want to blow my brains out

rantie · 13-06-2011 08:43PM

brimal wrote: »

The guy doing the voiceover in that video makes me want to blow my brains out

Doesn't it just? and the comparison with Tara and Clontarf is so DEEP!

jimthemental · 13-06-2011 08:43PM

rantie wrote: »

There can be no doubt of the transparency and robustness of the criteria used by An Bord Pleanala in coming to their decision. And, of course all of the considerations discussed will be in the public domain immediately, as befits an agency of the people!
No possibility of improper conduct could even be imagined. And, that it has the strong support of no lesser man than Michael Lowry, a representative of the people, means that all our best interests have been served, without his having any regard to his own.
Of course.

Excellent, great to see you're coming round to the idea.:)

Kevin Duffy · 13-06-2011 08:44PM

brimal wrote: »

The guy doing the voiceover in that video makes me want to blow my brains out

Wait 'til the venue opens, Russian Roulette might make it a worthwhile trip.

MrMatisse · 13-06-2011 08:45PM

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

What foreign casino operators? The group that started the plan was lead by the Irish owner of Dr. Quirkey's and included or includes local business people and horse trainers. Naturally, Michael Lowry is or was involved.

My point was that people keep saying "private money" like it was gonna come out of the pockets of the "investors" - it won't, it'll be loans etc. from banks we are gonna be paying for anyway, but if it succeeds the venue owners and bank share/bondholders will profit, where if it fails, it'll be added to the losses we're paying for. If you don't see that and imagine they're gonna put nothing but their own money in and assume all (or even any if they can manage it) the risks, you don't know anything about finance.

Not all banks are Irish point 1 he said on TV3 there wont be any bank funding.

There is billions in private venture capital/specialist investment funds that go for this like this globally, there are major casinos being built in Asia at the moment with U.S money.

rantie · 13-06-2011 08:47PM

MrMatisse wrote: »

Not all banks are Irish point 1 he said on TV3 there wont be any bank funding.

There is billions in private venture capital/specialist investment funds that go for this like this globally, there are major casinos being built in Asia at the moment with U.S money.

You are terminally naive if you think 'investors' are going to use their own money to back this sow's ear in the fiscal black hole of Europe!

MrMatisse · 13-06-2011 08:47PM

Hopefully the recession forces the doom sayers on this thread to emigrate, although unfortunatly there usually public servants or those with 'safe' jobs who stick around here for ever and bemoan everyone elses efforts at doing something big and taking risks.

Its a pity we cant swap this lot for the good ones who have to leave.

MrMatisse · 13-06-2011 08:48PM

rantie wrote: »

You are terminally naive if you think 'investors' are going to use their own money to back this sow's ear in the fiscal black hole of Europe!

Of course they would. They are targeting tourists not locals and costs will be low here.

rantie · 13-06-2011 08:50PM

MrMatisse wrote: »

Hopefully the recession forces the doom sayers on this thread to emigrate, although unfortunatly there usually public servants or those with 'safe' jobs who stick around here for ever and bamoan everyone elses efforts at doing something big and taking risks.

Its a pity we cant swap this lot for the good ones who have to leave.

The good ones who have to leave are the ones who believed the fairy stories coming out of the banks' and developers' storybooks. The public servants tried to tell them, and were told to take a hike.
Get your facts straight, before you fall off the bandwagon again!

Bella mamma · 13-06-2011 08:53PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

This is a private venture and it falls on it's arse big deal?

I hope it works out well for Tipp.

The public will end up paying for the associated addiction counselling/psych services/free legal aid for marriage breakdowns...........

Dempsey · 13-06-2011 08:54PM

rantie wrote: »

Funny, I live in the sticks, I know what 800+ acres looks like. Why don't you play the game and not the man?
What exactly is it that is so great about the thinking that leads to meaningless wasteful activity on a grand scale being monumentalised in Tipperary?

I reckon that when businessmen go to spend millions of euros, they'll do some homework first. And since they have made millions before, some of them from casinos like Quirke, I'd hazard a guess that they know what they are doing and arent spending millions on something they believe that has a high chance of failure. Its safe to say that they have noticed that Ireland is in a recession and the global economy is in recovery.

Do you really think that these people are naive and/or stupid with their money?

rantie · 13-06-2011 08:55PM

MrMatisse wrote: »

Of course they would. They are targeting tourists not locals and costs will be low here.

What tourists? do you seriously think that this is going to turn round the tourist industry which is in decline.
Why do we always go after the Las Vegas / Torremolinos / Playa del Ingles model? Cheap and cheerful, pandering to the masses.
Why can't we do something with a bit of class?

Rhys Essien · 13-06-2011 08:57PM

Shouldnt they have included a theme park like Alton Towers or Oakwood while they were at it.Something we dont have in Ireland.A proper one with rollercoasters etc.At least something for the kids,while daddy is losing fifties like no tomorrow on roulette.

rantie · 13-06-2011 09:02PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I reckon that when businessmen go to spend millions of euros, they'll do some homework first. And since they have made millions before, some of them from casinos like Quirke, I'd hazard a guess that they know what they are doing and arent spending millions on something they believe that has a high chance of failure. Its safe to say that they have noticed that Ireland is in a recession and the global economy is in recovery.

Do you really think that these people are naive and/or stupid with their money?

I don't know if they are naive; the same kind of stuff was said when we all bet our asses on the ghost towns littering our country. I'm sure all those people did their homework - ?
Who says the global economy is in recovery? Right now there is a question over the rating of US debt. China has invested in a building boom like our own but on a Gargantuan scale. Food prices are causing severe problems to developing countries, and OPEC is bickering at the breakfast table.
I am not a doomsayer, I am a realist. I want Ireland to succeed as much as any man. I just think we can do better than this white elephant.

Trigger13222 · 13-06-2011 09:04PM

Bella mamma wrote: »

The public will end up paying for the associated addiction counselling/psych services/free legal aid for marriage breakdowns...........

So are you against any new public house opening, because the way you think they cause the same damage.

red menace · 13-06-2011 09:05PM

WindSock wrote: »

I hope there is no alcohol served on the premises either. You know, just in case it attracts alcohol addicts....

I wasn't moralising one way or the other.
I am all for these projects if they generate revenue and don't come from the public purse.

I was merely making the point in relation to the OP about where the punters would come from

galwayrush · 13-06-2011 09:05PM

Las Vegas used to be the arsehole of no where, it's one way to bring money and tourists to such an area.;)

My name is URL · 13-06-2011 09:07PM

rantie wrote: »

What tourists? do you seriously think that this is going to turn round the tourist industry which is in decline.
Why do we always go after the Las Vegas / Torremolinos / Playa del Ingles model? Cheap and cheerful, pandering to the masses.
Why can't we do something with a bit of class?

What would you suggest as an alternative? Surely pandering to the masses is the wisest option when trying to increase tourist numbers?

fyi, Ireland was named as the top European destination by a US travel magazine, as voted for by readers, a few days ago

http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-wins-us-travel-magazine-award-for-top-european-destination-151251-Jun2011/

Don't let that get in the way of your cynicism though =p

Big Nasty · 13-06-2011 09:09PM

What is wrong with people?

It will bring short term employment to the construction industry and long term employment to its staff. If people want to gamble they don't need to leave their homes - they can gamble online. This isn't going to worsen any gamblin problems, what it is going to do is attract tourism.

rantie · 13-06-2011 09:11PM

galwayrush wrote: »

Las Vegas used to be the arsehole of no where, it's one way to bring money and tourists to such an area.;)

Las Vegas still is 'the arshole of nowhere'. Go and try to live there. Is this the absolute best you can think of for an Irish setting?
Why do we have to copy every piece of fake crap that we saw on our visit to the US. Why a copy of the White House? Why a copy of Las Vegas? Why yet another golf course when the ones we have are in difficulties? Even the K club is having to let the great unwashed in now.

Big Nasty · 13-06-2011 09:13PM

rantie wrote: »

Las Vegas still is 'the arshole of nowhere'. Go and try to live there. Is this the absolute best you can think of for an Irish setting?
Why do we have to copy every piece of fake crap that we saw on our visit to the US. Why a copy of the White House? Why a copy of Las Vegas? Why yet another golf course when the ones we have are in difficulties? Even the K club is having to let the great unwashed in now.

Why knock someone who is trying?

Pherekydes · 13-06-2011 09:14PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Twill be a great getaway for gamblers and non-gamblers alike.

Why would non-gamblers be interested?

Big Nasty · 13-06-2011 09:16PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Why would non-gamblers be interested?

I'm not a gambler but I'm going to Vegas later this year.;)

cml387 · 13-06-2011 09:16PM

I honestly fail to see how you could attract international gamblers to Two Mile Borris if they can sit in front of there computers in Warsaw or Des Moines and gamble there way to their heart's content.

Comparisons with Las Vegas are ludicrous.They already have a huge infrastructure in place (including an airport) in the most prosperous country in the world.

The so-called international backers (if there are any) won't want to see more than a small token of tax taken by the enterprise.

rantie · 13-06-2011 09:16PM

My name is URL wrote: »

What would you suggest as an alternative? Surely pandering to the masses is the wisest option when trying to increase tourist numbers?

fyi, Ireland was named as the top European destination by a US travel magazine, as voted for by readers, a few days ago

http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-wins-us-travel-magazine-award-for-top-european-destination-151251-Jun2011/

Don't let that get in the way of your cynicism though =p

Your snide sarcasm is no substitute for argument. How popular is 'Travel Age West'?
One American magazine does not make an argument.
It depends which masses you pander to. Temple Bar pandered to the British stag night trade. Hardly an outstanding success. Didn't impress the tourists who weren't trying to fall down drunk in their own vomit.

Bella mamma · 13-06-2011 09:17PM

Trigger13222 wrote: »

So are you against any new public house opening, because the way you think they cause the same damage.

They don't cause the same damage

Great for jobs, Christmas parties, Stags nights......

Great for Tipp? Not a chance. Once the first stories of breakdowns spread, The Community will curse the day the sod was turned.

It's not so difficult to become an addict.

Dempsey · 13-06-2011 09:18PM

rantie wrote: »

I don't know if they are naive; the same kind of stuff was said when we all bet our asses on the ghost towns littering our country. I'm sure all those people did their homework - ?
Who says the global economy is in recovery? Right now there is a question over the rating of US debt. China has invested in a building boom like our own but on a Gargantuan scale. Food prices are causing severe problems to developing countries, and OPEC is bickering at the breakfast table.
I am not a doomsayer, I am a realist. I want Ireland to succeed as much as any man. I just think we can do better than this white elephant.

Your logic to the property bubble doesnt apply here. You throw up the property bubble everytime someone has an idea in this country?

These investors have successfully operated casinos in this country and abroad before. This venture has the backing of major players in the horseracing industry and music industry. If a multinational company was trying to setup shop here creating that much jobs, you wouldnt be complaining at all!

If the recession was such an issue, they could have pulled the plug 2-3 years ago and saved themselves €40m that they have already spent.

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