Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2009-2011

Professey Chin · 12-06-2011 09:27PM

Ill criticize him all I want on what I see and the fact is his tactics arnt good enough if they even exist. Name 1 correct thing about his tactics today? Ive heard very different stories about his popularity too. We were wrecked today and slowed dramatically in the last 15 minutes. It looked like we were the ones who've been playing Division 2 all year and if hes that fantastic a coach & trainer how were we so clueless so deal with Limericks running game and so lethargic after he claimed we were in the best condition ever.
This underdogs thing really pisses me off too. This era of waterford hurling kicked off 13 years ago and we're been up with the top teams pretty consistently all this time. We have to get it into our fcuking heads(And I mean everyone.Players, Coaches, Supporters) that being favorites isn't a bad thing. If you want to be the best you have to handle the labels that come with it, not hide from it.

Daysha · 12-06-2011 09:27PM

Only in the door now and actually cannot believe some of the comments here, you'd swear we lost the game today. 5 Championship debuts, losing our free-taker to injury on the morning of the game, up against an obviously very talented young Limerick side and one of the best hurling coaches in the country. The fact is we won and we're in a Munster final, something which should never take for granted.

Limerick had their home homework done on us, no question about that. Isolate Downes on Hutchinson and us his pace to full effect. Play a running game through the centre of the field and drag our players out of position. Both worked very well and while I knew some of these Limerick guys had potential, they really surprised me.

People saying Davy didn't get one tactic right are forgetting the single most important tactic which IMO he gets near full marks ont: the starting 15. He was completely justified starting Mahony ahead of Kelly, and Brian O'Sullivan had a very good game as well when a different coach could have gone for a safer pair of hands like Seamus Prendergast. I don't think he got it right bringing Brian's brother David in instead as Foley though, he didn't have the best of games and I would've preferred either Declan Prender or Jamie Nagle at 7 with Moran in midfield.

The one tactic I will say they messed up on was our half-forward line in the 2nd half. As it progressed Sully and Shanahan were dropping deeper and deeper into midfield, yet when our backs cleared their lines they over-hit them all and just reigned high balls down onto the Limerick half-backs, instead of looking for the free man in midfield. That happened on at least 5-6 occasions in the half and it was horrific to watch.

As good as Brick and Mahony were though, my MOTM was Molumphy. What a brilliant performance that was. It was noticeable the moment any high balls came in he left the other lads deal with it in the air and he'll pick up the pieces. He almost seemed to have a 6th sense as to where the breaking ball was going to come, and his delivery and end-product was spot on.

The one player that disappointed me most was Maurice Shanahan. I know he clocked some good scores but he really had little to no pace and lost many 50:50s. Very similar to his older brother when things weren't going right for him. I'd have doubts about starting him in the final if his fitness doesn't improve, because if Kelly works hard in training and shows the right attitude I'd like to see him start in his place.

Brick as a potential FB is an awkward one. We tried that with Ken in 2008 and we ultimately learned that you cannot take your best player out of position just to make up numbers somewhere else. In terms of consistency Brick is now the best player in the county and possibly the best centre-back in the country. Moving him to somewhere where he wasn't even tested during the league? Nope, wouldn't be happy with that.

Today was probably a day that proved that this team will have bigger and better days ahead of them. Look at our 6 forwards. Maurice, Brian and Pauric got 8 points from play alone between them during the day, yet they're all still U21s. John Mullane scored 2-2 and is still our best forward. Shane Walsh got yet another goal and is now a genuine goal threat at FF. That's 5/6 players with genuine firepower and the ability to take scores from play, yet many people thought that was our biggest weakness only a few months ago! And they will get better.

So overall I'm quite happy. A 4th Munster final in 5 years, a rake of young players starting to get real Championship experience, and though we'll go into that probable game against Tipp as massive underdogs things could very well be a lot worse.

Deise Tom · 12-06-2011 09:27PM

chinguetti wrote: »

Got out of jail but nothing to get excited about today. Davy is a lucky man without a doubt with some bad language to boot.

Slow to make changes that were there for all to see (Hutchinson and Shanahan should have been subbed earlier as they weren't at the races). 3rd year in charge and still the same old problems that once you run at Waterford, they panic. God help us all if Tipp open up as they should beat Clare.

Young lads did well which is a good sign and fair play to O'Mahony to step up to the free taking duties on short notice.

There should have been an all out effort to get Donal O'Grady when Justin was got rid off. Maybe there was but we dont know it.

Deise Tom · 12-06-2011 09:30PM

johnfarmer wrote: »

Fives was full back for the under 21s so Davy was right to change it when things weren't working out. So get your facts right before you criticize Davy again. He's a fantastic coach and trainer and is very popular with his players, particularly the younger lads. I felt today was a perfect scenario for Waterford they are now being completely written off to win Munster and the underdog tag suits us better than anybody. I thought there were some excellent performances from Connors, Fives, Brick, Mahony and Brian O'Sullivan. All our forwards scored from play too.

Why do people think he is above criticizem. Surly if he was any good Clare with his father as county secretary would have went all out to get him when they had a vacancy.

Professey Chin · 12-06-2011 09:32PM

Deise Tom wrote: »

There should have been an all out effort to get Donal O'Grady when Justin was got rid off. Maybe there was but we dont know it.

I dont think they could have afforded him. But then seeing the money Davys spent on stasticians and sh!te I dunno

Fireball07 · 12-06-2011 09:35PM

Fentdog84 wrote: »

Look the Munster final is hardly the ideal place to be experimenting but if Brick can do the job at FB then he should be in there. Then maybe Moran to Centre back. IMO, that Limerick full forward is as slow as a brick and getting in for those goals was like taking candy from a baby. Also, it would be nice to see Clinton make an above average save every now and then, every game you see Brendan Cummins do a few.

Downes slow?? I really don't think so. In the league he won the ball, turned defenders and outpaced them. He's not Mullane-fast but I don't know how you can he's slow.

Unless I misunderstood you...

KevIRL · 12-06-2011 09:36PM

Daysha wrote: »

Only in the door now and actually cannot believe some of the comments here, you'd swear we lost the game today. 5 Championship debuts, losing our free-taker to injury on the morning of the game, up against an obviously very talented young Limerick side and one of the best hurling coaches in the country. The fact is we won and we're in a Munster final, something which should never take for granted.

Limerick had their home homework done on us, no question about that. Isolate Downes on Hutchinson and us his pace to full effect. Play a running game through the centre of the field and drag our players out of position. Both worked very well and while I knew some of these Limerick guys had potential, they really surprised me.

People saying Davy didn't get one tactic right are forgetting the single most important tactic which IMO he gets near full marks ont: the starting 15. He was completely justified starting Mahony ahead of Kelly, and Brian O'Sullivan had a very good game as well when a different coach could have gone for a safer pair of hands like Seamus Prendergast. I don't think he got it right bringing Brian's brother David in instead as Foley though, he didn't have the best of games and I would've preferred either Declan Prender or Jamie Nagle at 7 with Moran in midfield.

The one tactic I will say they messed up on was our half-forward line in the 2nd half. As it progressed Sully and Shanahan were dropping deeper and deeper into midfield, yet when our backs cleared their lines they over-hit them all and just reigned high balls down onto the Limerick half-backs, instead of looking for the free man in midfield. That happened on at least 5-6 occasions in the half and it was horrific to watch.

As good as Brick and Mahony were though, my MOTM was Molumphy. What a brilliant performance that was. It was noticeable the moment any high balls came in he left the other lads deal with it in the air and he'll pick up the pieces. He almost seemed to have a 6th sense as to where the breaking ball was going to come, and his delivery and end-product was spot on.

The one player that disappointed me most was Maurice Shanahan. I know he clocked some good scores but he really had little to no pace and lost many 50:50s. Very similar to his older brother when things weren't going right for him. I'd have doubts about starting him in the final if his fitness doesn't improve, because if Kelly works hard in training and shows the right attitude I'd like to see him start in his place.

Brick as a potential FB is an awkward one. We tried that with Ken in 2008 and we ultimately learned that you cannot take your best player out of position just to make up numbers somewhere else. In terms of consistency Brick is now the best player in the county and possibly the best centre-back in the country. Moving him to somewhere where he wasn't even tested during the league? Nope, wouldn't be happy with that.

Today was probably a day that proved that this team will have bigger and better days ahead of them. Look at our 6 forwards. Maurice, Brian and Pauric got 8 points from play alone between them during the day, yet they're all still U21s. John Mullane scored 2-2 and is still our best forward. Shane Walsh got yet another goal and is now a genuine goal threat at FF. That's 5/6 players with genuine firepower and the ability to take scores from play, yet many people thought that was our biggest weakness only a few months ago! And they will get better.

So overall I'm quite happy. A 4th Munster final in 5 years, a rake of young players starting to get real Championship experience, and though we'll go into that probable game against Tipp as massive underdogs things could very well be a lot worse.

Well said sir. I was beginning to wonder if we were actually thrown into the qualifiers going by the comments on here. For sure there are things to be improved on, but today was always gonna be a tough one, a game Limerick had been gearing up for a long long time. 5 lads made championship debuts, some gutsy calls made by the management team.

I get the feeling that some folk would have been happier to see us lose so they could go on a Davy knocking crusade. And we even have the BS of some saying they wont go to a Munster Final cause they dont think we'll win???

Not saying Davy is perfect by any means btw, he often does not have a plan B but a reality check is needed here.

chinguetti · 12-06-2011 09:38PM

Deise Tom wrote: »

There should have been an all out effort to get Donal O'Grady when Justin was got rid off. Maybe there was but we dont know it.

Heard last year that he turned them down before on two separate occasions when unoffical contacts where made to him to manage.

How true this is, i can't say.

KevIRL · 12-06-2011 09:38PM

Deise Tom wrote: »

There should have been an all out effort to get Donal O'Grady when Justin was got rid off. Maybe there was but we dont know it.

I seriously doubt they would have gotten DOG after the Justin debacle. It was widely accepted that none of the top managers would have gone near Waterford at the time, them being viewed as an aging on the way out team, and having to perform a miracle mid season.

premierstone · 12-06-2011 09:39PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Will he be fully fit? Surely not for championship pace hurling. I know hes very fit, like all of them, but breaking your ankle is breaking your ankle and restricts your training, plus he hasn't played a game in ages.

Was togged for hes club friday night and will have another game with them in two weeks, he has been back training a few weeks now.

KevIRL · 12-06-2011 09:40PM

Also big plea to Waterford fans....Please turn out for the Munster final. Being vastly outnumbered by Limerick fans today was pretty embarassing considering not so long ago we regarded ourselves as amoung the best supported teams in the country.

Deise Tom · 12-06-2011 09:40PM

Daysha wrote: »

Only in the door now and actually cannot believe some of the comments here, you'd swear we lost the game today. 5 Championship debuts, losing our free-taker to injury on the morning of the game, up against an obviously very talented young Limerick side and one of the best hurling coaches in the country. The fact is we won and we're in a Munster final, something which should never take for granted.

Limerick had their home homework done on us, no question about that. Isolate Downes on Hutchinson and us his pace to full effect. Play a running game through the centre of the field and drag our players out of position. Both worked very well and while I knew some of these Limerick guys had potential, they really surprised me.

People saying Davy didn't get one tactic right are forgetting the single most important tactic which IMO he gets near full marks ont: the starting 15. He was completely justified starting Mahony ahead of Kelly, and Brian O'Sullivan had a very good game as well when a different coach could have gone for a safer pair of hands like Seamus Prendergast. I don't think he got it right bringing Brian's brother David in instead as Foley though, he didn't have the best of games and I would've preferred either Declan Prender or Jamie Nagle at 7 with Moran in midfield.

The one tactic I will say they messed up on was our half-forward line in the 2nd half. As it progressed Sully and Shanahan were dropping deeper and deeper into midfield, yet when our backs cleared their lines they over-hit them all and just reigned high balls down onto the Limerick half-backs, instead of looking for the free man in midfield. That happened on at least 5-6 occasions in the half and it was horrific to watch.

As good as Brick and Mahony were though, my MOTM was Molumphy. What a brilliant performance that was. It was noticeable the moment any high balls came in he left the other lads deal with it in the air and he'll pick up the pieces. He almost seemed to have a 6th sense as to where the breaking ball was going to come, and his delivery and end-product was spot on.

The one player that disappointed me most was Maurice Shanahan. I know he clocked some good scores but he really had little to no pace and lost many 50:50s. Very similar to his older brother when things weren't going right for him. I'd have doubts about starting him in the final if his fitness doesn't improve, because if Kelly works hard in training and shows the right attitude I'd like to see him start in his place.

Brick as a potential FB is an awkward one. We tried that with Ken in 2008 and we ultimately learned that you cannot take your best player out of position just to make up numbers somewhere else. In terms of consistency Brick is now the best player in the county and possibly the best centre-back in the country. Moving him to somewhere where he wasn't even tested during the league? Nope, wouldn't be happy with that.

Today was probably a day that proved that this team will have bigger and better days ahead of them. Look at our 6 forwards. Maurice, Brian and Pauric got 8 points from play alone between them during the day, yet they're all still U21s. John Mullane scored 2-2 and is still our best forward. Shane Walsh got yet another goal and is now a genuine goal threat at FF. That's 5/6 players with genuine firepower and the ability to take scores from play, yet many people thought that was our biggest weakness only a few months ago! And they will get better.

So overall I'm quite happy. A 4th Munster final in 5 years, a rake of young players starting to get real Championship experience, and though we'll go into that probable game against Tipp as massive underdogs things could very well be a lot worse.

Agree with Molumphy been man of the match. Mullane with his 2-2 and 2 or 3 of the new lads (Fives, Mahony and Brian Sullivan) will gather all the headlines, as could Brick, but Molumphy was outstanding today. He covered an awful lot of ground. Another very good player today, despite been wrote off on more than one occasion in recent years was Tony Browne. How many players for the first goal today when taking the free would have tried and landed a point or to drop the ball in around the house and hope for the best. Browne however spotted Mullane and played the ball down the wing. You cant beat experience and he has it to bottle and to sell it. I know he is 38 in a few weeks time, but i hope that he will be around for a long time to come. When he drops out i feel he will be a huge loss.

Deise Tom · 12-06-2011 09:43PM

The Chin wrote: »

I dont think they could have afforded him. But then seeing the money Davys spent on stasticians and sh!te I dunno

One business man told me that he was aware of a few people getting together and doing a JP McManus job if the county board did get him. How long it would have lasted is another thing as it was around this time that things went a bit belly up.

Professey Chin · 12-06-2011 09:43PM

KevIRL wrote: »

Also big plea to Waterford fans....Please turn out for the Munster final. Being vastly outnumbered by Limerick fans today was pretty embarassing considering not so long ago we regarded ourselves as amoung the best supported teams in the country.

Our style of play was a big factor in that. Nobody can argue thats changed dramatically in the last few years

One of the things today really that really annoyed me today was Mullane. Cant argue with the goals(both great) but good christ I wish he'd actually pass the balls. On multiple occasions he was trying for stupid shots when Walsh or Mahony or someone was open/making a run off him and screaming for it.

Mountainlad · 12-06-2011 09:44PM

I am the only one that still believes we have the potential to challenge Tipp and Kilkenny?

I am that insane?

Certainly the future is very bright!

Professey Chin · 12-06-2011 09:46PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

I am the only one that still believes we have the potential to challenge Tipp and Kilkenny?

I am that insane?

Certainly the future is very bright!

I believe we have the players to challenge them. Personally I dont believe we have the management team to do it (although ive made that clear the last couple years :pac:)

Deise Tom · 12-06-2011 09:46PM

chinguetti wrote: »

Heard last year that he turned them down before on two separate occasions when unoffical contacts where made to him to manage.

How true this is, i can't say.

I am sure many top coaches would turn down an unofficial approach, but if things were official it might be a different matter. Its often better to do things offiical from the off instead of trying to send out feelers.

KevIRL · 12-06-2011 09:47PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

I am the only one that still believes we have the potential to challenge Tipp and Kilkenny?

I am that insane?

Certainly the future is very bright!

On balance this season we dont have the potential, of course on any given day if they play below their best and us above our best who knows. But Tipp and KK are the top of the class for sure.

Mountainlad · 12-06-2011 09:51PM

KevIRL wrote: »

On balance this season we dont have the potential, of course on any given day if they play below their best and us above our best who knows. But Tipp and KK are the top of the class for sure.

Yeah I still think that they are the two best, there's no doubt about it. But sure, we're not far off so they will have to be ready to beat us.

By the way, I knew Molumphy wouldn't get the credit for his performance today. I wouldn't begrudge Mahony his award, but Brick and Molumphy were better and Molumphy was huge. Tony Browne did well in a tough test, answering John Leahys criticism earlier today in the sunday times!

premierstone · 12-06-2011 09:51PM

The Chin wrote: »

One of the things today really that really annoyed me today was Mullane. Cant argue with the goals(both great) but good christ I wish he'd actually pass the balls. On multiple occasions he was trying for stupid shots when Walsh or Mahony or someone was open/making a run off him and screaming for it.

It seems strange to say about someone who scored 2-2 but Mullane was actually quite poor today, 2-1 came from Tom Condon sliping and misjudging the flight, and Condon came out with a huge amount of ball and as you said he hit some terrible wides.

Cake Man · 12-06-2011 09:52PM

Should Tipp beat Clare as expected, where will the final be on, Thurles or Pairc Ui Chaoimh?

Also big plea to Waterford fans....Please turn out for the Munster final. Being vastly outnumbered by Limerick fans today was pretty embarassing considering not so long ago we regarded ourselves as amoung the best supported teams in the country.

I second that, the Limerick fans made good atmosphere with big numbers but I hardly heard a Waterford chant all game. I'd love to see a big turn out for Munster final day to get behind the team.

Deise Tom · 12-06-2011 09:53PM

KevIRL wrote: »

I seriously doubt they would have gotten DOG after the Justin debacle. It was widely accepted that none of the top managers would have gone near Waterford at the time, them being viewed as an aging on the way out team, and having to perform a miracle mid season.

I would love to know who came up with this ageing thing and Justin's teams. look at the last team he picked V Clare in Limerick

C Hennessey; Born 1977 age 31
S Kearney Born
K Moran Born 1987 Age 21
D Prendergast; Born 1981 Age 27
T Browne, Born 1973 Age 35
B Phelan, Born 1979 Age 29
J Kennedy; Born Age
M Walsh (capt), Born 1983 Age 25
D Bennett; Born 1976 Age 32
S Prendergast, Born 1980 Age 28
D Shanahan, Born 1977 Age 31
S Molumphy; Born 1984 Age 24
J Mullane, Born 1981 Age 27
G Hurney, Born 1981 Age 27
E McGrath. Born 1980 Age 28

OK, there was 3 or 4 fellows in their 30's that started, but most of the team was in their mid 20's the age most say you have to be to win All-Irelands. Of the ones that were 30 or more in Justin's team, two of them played today, one of whom is Tony Browne who is getting better and better by the games he plays.

KevIRL · 12-06-2011 09:54PM

The Chin wrote: »

Our style of play was a big factor in that. Nobody can argue thats changed dramatically in the last few years

it.

There's a few factors, I think the main one is that the novelty has worn off for a lot of people. 2002 onwards it was such a new thing to be in Munster Finals, All Ireland Semi Finals. Now not so much. Success has bred apathy.

There is of course the financial factor as well.

The style has changed for sure but we have still been involved in some extremely entertaining games in recent years

Deise Tom · 12-06-2011 09:55PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

I am the only one that still believes we have the potential to challenge Tipp and Kilkenny?

I am that insane?

Certainly the future is very bright!

We have the potential but will we, thats the big question.

KevIRL · 12-06-2011 09:58PM

Deise Tom wrote: »

I would love to know who came up with this ageing thing and Justin's teams. look at the last team he picked V Clare in Limerick
C Hennessey; Born 1977 age 31

S Kearney Born

K Moran Born 1987 Age 21

D Prendergast; Born 1981 Age 27

T Browne, Born 1973 Age 35

B Phelan, Born 1979 Age 29

J Kennedy; Born Age

M Walsh (capt), Born 1983 Age 25

D Bennett; Born 1976 Age 32

S Prendergast, Born 1980 Age 28

D Shanahan, Born 1977 Age 31

S Molumphy; Born 1984 Age 24

J Mullane, Born 1981 Age 27

G Hurney, Born 1981 Age 27

E McGrath. Born 1980 Age 28

OK, there was 3 or 4 fellows in their 30's that started, but most of the team was in their mid 20's the age most say you have to be to win All-Irelands. Of the ones that were 30 or more in Justin's team, two of them played today, one of whom is Tony Browne who is getting better and better by the games he plays.

Fair point, but a manager like O Grady is going to want to build a team, there's 1 21 year old there. The average age is pretty high. Compare it even to todays team, or indeeds Limericks today. Tipperary's team at the moment

egpower · 12-06-2011 10:00PM

I thought Tony Browne was under serious pressure today especially in the first half. I was watching him closely and I just thought he was using all his experience to deny Mulcahy posession rather than playing in the normal positive manner of his as if he was not confident / fit enough ? Anyone else have that view ?

flahavaj · 12-06-2011 10:01PM

Daysha wrote: »

Only in the door now and actually cannot believe some of the comments here, you'd swear we lost the game today. 5 Championship debuts, losing our free-taker to injury on the morning of the game, up against an obviously very talented young Limerick side and one of the best hurling coaches in the country. The fact is we won and we're in a Munster final, something which should never take for granted.

Limerick had their home homework done on us, no question about that. Isolate Downes on Hutchinson and us his pace to full effect. Play a running game through the centre of the field and drag our players out of position. Both worked very well and while I knew some of these Limerick guys had potential, they really surprised me.

People saying Davy didn't get one tactic right are forgetting the single most important tactic which IMO he gets near full marks ont: the starting 15. He was completely justified starting Mahony ahead of Kelly, and Brian O'Sullivan had a very good game as well when a different coach could have gone for a safer pair of hands like Seamus Prendergast. I don't think he got it right bringing Brian's brother David in instead as Foley though, he didn't have the best of games and I would've preferred either Declan Prender or Jamie Nagle at 7 with Moran in midfield.

The one tactic I will say they messed up on was our half-forward line in the 2nd half. As it progressed Sully and Shanahan were dropping deeper and deeper into midfield, yet when our backs cleared their lines they over-hit them all and just reigned high balls down onto the Limerick half-backs, instead of looking for the free man in midfield. That happened on at least 5-6 occasions in the half and it was horrific to watch.

As good as Brick and Mahony were though, my MOTM was Molumphy. What a brilliant performance that was. It was noticeable the moment any high balls came in he left the other lads deal with it in the air and he'll pick up the pieces. He almost seemed to have a 6th sense as to where the breaking ball was going to come, and his delivery and end-product was spot on.

The one player that disappointed me most was Maurice Shanahan. I know he clocked some good scores but he really had little to no pace and lost many 50:50s. Very similar to his older brother when things weren't going right for him. I'd have doubts about starting him in the final if his fitness doesn't improve, because if Kelly works hard in training and shows the right attitude I'd like to see him start in his place.

Brick as a potential FB is an awkward one. We tried that with Ken in 2008 and we ultimately learned that you cannot take your best player out of position just to make up numbers somewhere else. In terms of consistency Brick is now the best player in the county and possibly the best centre-back in the country. Moving him to somewhere where he wasn't even tested during the league? Nope, wouldn't be happy with that.

Today was probably a day that proved that this team will have bigger and better days ahead of them. Look at our 6 forwards. Maurice, Brian and Pauric got 8 points from play alone between them during the day, yet they're all still U21s. John Mullane scored 2-2 and is still our best forward. Shane Walsh got yet another goal and is now a genuine goal threat at FF. That's 5/6 players with genuine firepower and the ability to take scores from play, yet many people thought that was our biggest weakness only a few months ago! And they will get better.

So overall I'm quite happy. A 4th Munster final in 5 years, a rake of young players starting to get real Championship experience, and though we'll go into that probable game against Tipp as massive underdogs things could very well be a lot worse.

The only consolation in moving Brick back is that we have a ready made replacement fir Brick in Kevin Moran who has been unbelieveable every time I've seen him in the role for De La Salle. It would be a huge risk though, I agree and you can't help but wish it had been tried during the league - the fact Davy was happy to do it mid-game shows he has obviously considered it before.

I do agree with you in general that there is way to much pessimism here. It is early doors - nobody ever won anything the the second week of June. Any team trying to bed in 5 championship debutants, as well as the relatively inexperienced Shanahan is going to take a while to settle down. The young forwards all made a good contribution. If you'd told me ten years ago three young forwards with barely any chempionship experience would walk into the team and contribute 13 points I'd have been ecstatic. They'll only get better - and remember we have the likes of Brian O' Halloran and Jake Dillon waiting to come in in the next couple of years as well. Not bad at all.

abouttobebanned · 12-06-2011 10:02PM

Well the team is out on the piss again tonight. One of these years they'll wait til the final to do that.

Deise Tom · 12-06-2011 10:04PM

KevIRL wrote: »

Fair point, but a manager like O Grady is going to want to build a team, there's 1 21 year old there. The average age is pretty high. Compare it even to todays team, or indeeds Limericks today. Tipperary's team at the moment

On the bench there would have been players that were around the early 20's that would be needed. Pa Kearney, Ringo etc were there at the time amongst others.

Fireball07 · 12-06-2011 10:04PM

deisedude wrote: »

Hutchy shouldnt be caught for pace. I'd worry more about him commanding the square for high balls to be honest

You can't say it wasn't likely. He wasn't fast enough and just not able to cope with Downes. Whatever about the other calls he made, Davy Fitz should have known what Downes was like after the league final in particular. Getting destroyed like that can't have been good for Hutchison's confidence, in fact it could shatter it.

Mahoney was really good for you, of your young players. O'Sullivan was decent too.

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