David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

RachaelVO · 08-06-2011 10:57PM

sesna wrote: »

This is a major issue which has probably blown Norris's campaign. You'll have to do better than try to sweep it under the carpet.

No it didn't!!!!!!!!

RachaelVO · 08-06-2011 11:00PM

Badgermonkey wrote: »

He was a few years ahead of me at school, remember him wearing tartan trousers one day and the priests being too shocked to even admonish him.

Perhaps they also were attracted to the bad boy look?

Could well be, that "bad boy" look can be attrractive, but I'm not sure that BB wearing tartan trousers is a bad boy look... could be for priests, but Nah, not for the rest of us

Mark200 · 08-06-2011 11:00PM

sesna wrote: »

What a pathetic point - this thread is not about me, it's about Norris. Also, I wonder what percentage of Irish people advocate no age of consent

Are you purposely ignoring all explanations that you're given?

Biggins · 08-06-2011 11:01PM

sesna wrote: »

This is a major issue which has probably blown Norris's campaign. You'll have to do better than try to sweep it under the carpet.

No.
Its a issue that is trying to be regurgitated endlessly by either the bigoted (for what ever reason in particular), regurgitated by the sensationalist media for the sake of selling ink or gaining viewing figures to the point of self promotion.

It has FAR from blown up his chances but thats my opinion too - like yours that thinks otherwise.
...But surprise, the polls say I'm more right than you are!

In the meantime in the real world, there is still those that are quite happy in this time of PR correctness and fear of being tainted by mixing with someone that is supposed to be truly bad, are happy STILL to be working along side Mr Norris in their efforts to stop all abuses they are looking into presently!
They are not exactly running away from him are they? I wonder why?
Maybe they REALLY know the man better than you and I do!

zuroph · 08-06-2011 11:02PM

sesna wrote: »

What a pathetic point - this thread is not about me, it's about Norris. Also, I wonder what percentage of Irish people advocate no age of consent

My post had nothing to do with you either, the point stands, people have differing opinions on topics, are you saying that, because in your poll, 68% of people answered one way, any person in the dáil who agress with abortion should immediately step down??? what happens the following week when a poll indicates the opposite? Really scraping the bottom of the barrel when you try bring the abortion debate into play, and pass it off as daming evidence against someone, when 32% of the poll you presented agree the same way.

again, you've taken the age of consent thing out of context to suit your agenda.

sesna · 08-06-2011 11:02PM

Mark200 wrote: »

Are you purposely ignoring all explanations that you're given?

I dont think the majority of the Irish population favour no age of consent, or pederasty between an older man and a younger boy. Though, I suppose any poll that showed this would be somehow biased against David Norris !

wonderfulname · 08-06-2011 11:02PM

In relation to that red C poll:

“Do you think the Government should legislate, or not, to protect human embryos in the area of stem cell research and assisted human reproduction?”

I would have answered that "legislate", because I think the lack of clear guidelines with relation to the issue is appalling, I am quite far gone on the liberal side of both issues, the questioning in this poll is appalling - 62% of people don't want the government to ignore something pretty important, wow!

“Are you in favour of, or opposed to, constitutional protection for the unborn that prohibits abortion but allows the continuation of the existing practice of intervention to save a mother’s life in accordance with Irish medical ethics?”

This is a ridiculous question, on first glance I'd answer yes, because I am not partial to the idea of anyone who wants an abortion getting one regardless of circumstance, but the question does not allow for what I would deem necessary additions to legislation in the area, and situations where, at least in my opinion, a woman should have the right to choose, for example I wouldn't force it upon anyone that they carry a baby to term when they know it will not survive, or had they been raped, or any other of a multitude of scenarios. What exactly do the respondents to this poll believe? We can't tell, its useless.

What does Norris believe about abortion? What abortion does he want legal? You can't just throw out the word in isolation, because in the context of Irish politics it doesn't stand alone.

Mark200 · 08-06-2011 11:05PM

sesna wrote: »

I dont think the majority of the Irish population favour no age of consent, or pederasty between an older man and a younger boy.

Neither does Norris.

sesna wrote: »

Though, I suppose any poll that showed this would be somehow biased !

Many people have explained in simple terms how the poll was not impartial. Just because Red C asked the questions that they were told to ask does not make it impartial and fair.

hotmail.com · 08-06-2011 11:07PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

In relation to that red C poll:

I would have answered that "legislate", because I think the lack of clear guidelines with relation to the issue is appalling, I am quite far gone on the liberal side of both issues, the questioning in this poll is appalling - 62% of people don't want the government to ignore something pretty important, wow!

This is a ridiculous question, on first glance I'd answer yes, because I am not partial to the idea of anyone who wants an abortion getting one regardless of circumstance, but the question does not allow for what I would deem necessary additions to legislation in the area, and situations where, at least in my opinion, a woman should have the right to choose, for example I wouldn't force it upon anyone that they carry a baby to term when they know it will not survive, or had they been raped, or any other of a multitude of scenarios. What exactly do the respondents to this poll believe? We can't tell, its useless.

What does Norris believe about abortion? What abortion does he want legal? You can't just throw out the word in isolation, because in the context of Irish politics it doesn't stand alone.

So you believe abortions are ok in certain circumstances? Then you are in favour in abortions.

Should a woman have the right to decide the health and well being of her own body and have no interference from the law or the state (or you)? That's the question you need to think about. It is incredible that people want to control women in this day and age.

As for Norris, his views on social matters are well known. I frankly see nothing wrong with them.

Biggins · 08-06-2011 11:09PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you believe abortions are ok in certain circumstances? Then you are in favour in abortions.

Should a woman have the right to decide the health and well being of her own body and have no interference from the law or the state (or you)? That's the question you need to think about. It is incredible that people want to control women in this day and age.

In fairness, that's a whole topic in itself, for another thread.
Not saying I agree or disagree, just that we are discussing Mr Norris and the ongoing attempts clearly by a few, to try disparaging him.

zuroph · 08-06-2011 11:09PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

You can't just throw out the word in isolation

but that's sesna's modus operandi, pick and choose the stuff that suits and throw it out, again and again. the pederasty v paedophilia, the "he advocates sex between old men and young boys", despite repeatedly ignoring the context and the evidence which shows Norris was talking about something very different, and how many times now has he posted that john waters interview, despite it being glaringly obvious that waters is just saying "this is what HLB told me".

RachaelVO · 08-06-2011 11:10PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you believe abortions are ok in certain circumstances? Then you are in favour in abortions.

Should a woman have the right to decide the health and well being of her own body and have no interference from the law or the state (or you)? That's the question you need to think about. It is incredible that people want to control women in this day and age.

As for Norris, his views on social matters are well known. I frankly see nothing wrong with them.

The abortion thing is probably not the right thing for this thread. Not that your point isn't valid or anything, just another days argument

sesna · 08-06-2011 11:11PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

The abortion thing is probably not the right thing for this thread. Not that your point isn't valid or anything, just another days argument

Is pederasty okay for this thread ?

RachaelVO · 08-06-2011 11:11PM

Biggins wrote: »

In fairness, that's a whole topic in itself, for another thread.
Not saying I agree or disagree, just that we are discussing Mr Norris and the ongoing attempts clearly by a few, to try disparaging him.

Ya beat me to it

hotmail.com · 08-06-2011 11:13PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

The abortion thing is probably not the right thing for this thread. Not that your point isn't valid or anything, just another days argument

I was responding to someone that spoke about abortion. I don't know why my post was selected as the post to use to end that part of the discussion.

Biggins · 08-06-2011 11:16PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

I was responding to someone that spoke about abortion. I don't know why my post was selected as the post to use to end that part of the discussion.

It wasn't personal. Apologies if it appear that way.
Someone else I suspect was trying to side-track?

RachaelVO · 08-06-2011 11:17PM

sesna wrote: »

Is pederasty okay for this thread ?

FFS, this thread is about Davie Norris and not about abortion! Pederasty is an old way of life from a whole other (albeit equally as fubared as Ireland) country and is irrelevant to the post I commented on.

wonderfulname · 08-06-2011 11:17PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you believe abortions are ok in certain circumstances? Then you are in favour in abortions.

The word does not stand alone politically, the world isn't black and white.

hotmail.com wrote: »

Should a woman have the right to decide the health and well being of her own body and have no interference from the law or the state (or you)? That's the question you need to think about. It is incredible that people want to control women in this day and age.

Health and well being of her own body yes, late term abortion for no reason, no. You also have to consider the mental health issues that tag alongside abortion, should people be subjected to them for no real reason? Its a complex issue, not just a matter of yes or no.

hotmail.com wrote: »

As for Norris, his views on social matters are well known. I frankly see nothing wrong with them.

Social matters in general, yes, I find the abortion issue confusing with him though, and I can't find a decent source from which I can rectify that confusion, is there something wrong with me seeking that clarification here?

RachaelVO · 08-06-2011 11:19PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

I was responding to someone that spoke about abortion. I don't know why my post was selected as the post to use to end that part of the discussion.

Sorry, didn't mean to pick on ya! It's just the way the posts fell:o

sesna · 08-06-2011 11:19PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Sorry, didn't mean to pick on ya! It's just the way the posts fell:o

Attacking another messenger Rachael? What a surprise. Much like Norris's defence, your excuses are becoming more and more pathetic.

Biggins · 08-06-2011 11:20PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

...I can't find a decent source from which I can rectify that confusion, is there something wrong with me seeking that clarification here?

Absolutely not but we can only offer opinions based on what little we have in knowledge.
The best route to to go the heart of the matter with the man himself.

zuroph · 08-06-2011 11:20PM

sesna wrote: »

Is pederasty okay for this thread ?

there's something to be said for it :pac:

Biggins · 08-06-2011 11:22PM

sesna wrote: »

Attacking another messenger Rachael? What a surprise. Much like Norris's defence, your excuses are becoming more and more pathetic.

Your increasing coming across as very bitter.
In fairness, its no way to win an argument.

zuroph · 08-06-2011 11:26PM

sesna wrote: »

Norris does not believe in an age of consent in this country. The line has to be drawn somewhere unless society wants 45 year old men having sex with 13 year old boys.

context context context.

oh forget it, on ignore.

Careful Now · 08-06-2011 11:26PM

I might possibly vote for him. Depends on all the variables and the possibilities than they may/ may not happen.

Mark200 · 08-06-2011 11:26PM

sesna wrote: »

Norris does not believe in an age of consent in this country. The line has to be drawn somewhere unless society wants 45 year old men having sex with 13 year old boys.

I'm getting sick of your posts at this stage. At first I just assumed you had ridiculous beliefs, but it's clear that you're just repeating the same thing over and over and closing your eyes to any posts that explain how or why you're wrong.

I feel like I'm talking to a badly designed computer program that has been programmed to write the same thing over and over and engage in a debate at the level of a 5 year old.

RachaelVO · 08-06-2011 11:28PM

sesna wrote: »

Attacking another messenger Rachael? What a surprise. Much like Norris's defence, your excuses are becoming more and more pathetic.

Would you please grow up! Your logic toward hating David Norris is falling short of even your own standards, and you can't even come up with decent logic that isn't fuelled by sensational media. So your only answer is to lower the bar and try offending everyone,! Isn't it already clear, considering the amount of answers you've had so far, all discrediting your viewpoint, that you are just trolling now????

Try reading the post I replied to in the first instance and please enlighten yourself!!!!!

hotmail.com · 08-06-2011 11:31PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

The word does not stand alone politically, the world isn't black and white.
Health and well being of her own body yes, late term abortion for no reason, no. You also have to consider the mental health issues that tag alongside abortion, should people be subjected to them for no real reason? Its a complex issue, not just a matter of yes or no.

Social matters in general, yes, I find the abortion issue confusing with him though, and I can't find a decent source from which I can rectify that confusion, is there something wrong with me seeking that clarification here?

I'll end on this subject with this post.

This is fairly simple, clear and uncomplicated - should a woman have the right to decide about the health of her own body, without interference? Yes or No. This includes late term abortions. The principle is always the same...should an individual (in this case a woman) be able to make decisions without interferance?

I've highlighted what I think is an utterly absurd statement. Do you think women are not capable of judging the mental effects of abortion for themselves? Why do they need the state or you to make that decision for them?

It's just sexist crap at this stage that women can't do what they want with their own bodies.

sesna · 08-06-2011 11:31PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Would you please grow up! Your logic toward hating David Norris is falling short of even your own standards, and you can't even come up with decent logic that isn't fuelled by sensational media. So your only answer is to lower the bar and try offending everyone,! Isn't it already clear, considering the amount of answers you've had so far, all discrediting your viewpoint, that you are just trolling now????

Try reading the post I replied to in the first instance and please enlighten yourself!!!!!

Hating David Norris? :pac:

Engaging in discussion in a thread stuffed with Norris supporters, and expressing concern because of his advocacy of removal of the age of consent does not make one a troll. Children would be preyed upon by paedophiles without an age of consent.

Mark200 · 08-06-2011 11:34PM

sesna wrote: »

Hating David Norris? :pac:

Engaging in discussion in a thread stuffed with Norris supporters does not make one a troll.

Repeating the same thing over and over and refusing to acknowledge many posts that refute what you're saying, is not a discussion.

David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

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