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Screaming kids ... "That's just the way they are I'm afraid!"

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  • #32
    sesna
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    hondasam wrote: »
    Lets be fair here they could not leave the child in the airport.
    flying is scary for little kids. This would be annoying but their is nothing parents can do in these circumstances.

    Unless it's for medical treatment, or permanently moving (the family were obviously on holiday), why is it necessary to bring the child in the first place? If they are going to behave like that, just leave them at home or dont go in the first place.


  • #33
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    sesna wrote: »
    Unless it's for medical treatment, or permanently moving (the family were obviously on holiday), why is it necessary to bring the child in the first place? If they are going to behave like that, just leave them at home or dont go in the first place.

    That's not fair imo.

    I would be interested to know how many posters here at the moment have children. It's easy say if they were mine etc etc.


  • #34
    melb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭melb


    sesna wrote: »
    Unless it's for medical treatment, or permanently moving (the family were obviously on holiday), why is it necessary to bring the child in the first place? If they are going to behave like that, just leave them at home or dont go in the first place.


    Controversial....letting badly behaved kids stop you from doing things you want to do like goinig on holidays...


  • #35
    melb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭melb


    hondasam wrote: »
    That's not fair imo.

    I would be interested to know how many posters here at the moment have children. It's easy say if they were mine etc etc.


    Should opinion on this be strictly limited to those with kids?


  • #36
    Sesshoumaru
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    If my 4 year old started screaming I would discipline her fairly quickly! I don't want screaming kids beside me when I'm eating, so I wouldn't inflict them on others. It's a bit more difficult when it's a baby. The other day our 6 month old daughter was getting cranky and moany while we were in a restaurant. You can't really discipline a 6 month old child, but I put her in her pram and brought her outside the restaurant for a walk. When I came back 10 minutes later she was asleep.

    So not all parents are bad parents. But yes definitely it is the parents fault if they let their kids continue screaming.


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  • #37
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Some parents just couldn't be bothered doing anything about their kids behaviour.

    I once heard a loud knock at my door that just wouldn't stop. I thought there was a fire or there was something seriously wrong with someone so I went running to the front door. When I opened the door I saw a child aged about three standing there. He went running up the street to the mother who was just standing there waiting for him to finish knocking my door. :mad:


  • #38
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    hondasam wrote: »
    That's not fair imo.

    I would be interested to know how many posters here at the moment have children. It's easy say if they were mine etc etc.

    Weird, do you have kids? This is the kind of line normally trotted out by parents to let the rest of the world know we don't understand there struggles.

    It makes a lot more sense to ask "Anyone here every been a kid and how did your parents deal with you?"...but that wouldn't get the desired result of instantly dismissing arguments that imply *shock horror* some parents are ****ing ****.


  • #39
    Sesshoumaru
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    sesna wrote: »
    Unless it's for medical treatment, or permanently moving (the family were obviously on holiday), why is it necessary to bring the child in the first place? If they are going to behave like that, just leave them at home or dont go in the first place.

    Or bring in Cesar Millan so the parents learn how to discipline their kids :D

    Seriously that's just bad parenting. I brought my daughter to Hong Kong when she was 2 and she never gave anyone any trouble on the flight over or back.


  • #40
    carlybabe1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭carlybabe1


    hondasam wrote: »
    That's not fair imo.

    I would be interested to know how many posters here at the moment have children. It's easy say if they were mine etc etc.

    Ive raised three kids through the terrible 2 age. My first used to throw tantrums in the shop, lying on the floor screaming at the top of her voice. I was younger then, and hated the looks people used to give me, one day i gave her a slap on the leg in the shop and i didnt care who saw me and if i got a look i just glared back (she was 3, and up to this had ruled the roost as regards going shopping etc, id wait till her dad came home from work and go on my own).
    It happened maybe twice more, followed by twice more being slapped on the leg in the shop.She was a very clever baby, didnt take her long to figure out the balance of power had shifted. didnt make that mistake with second or third, if they misbehaved in the shop, sweeties went right back onto the shelf, end of.


  • #41
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    melb wrote: »
    Should opinion on this be strictly limited to those with kids?

    No but unfortunately people who do not have kids seem to think they would make perfect parents with obedient kids who never cry etc.
    reality kicks in when you have them, it's not as easy as it looks.


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  • #42
    stovelid
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    Trying to get kids to behave is a work in progress so people get caught out unfortunately and it really is stressful and embarrassing to know your kid is wrecking people's heads.

    Should take the kid out of there if he/she is really having a meltdown as it's not fair on the other patrons.

    That said, it would be great if every adult that talked bollocks/drunkenly lurched around/laughed in an overly loud pretentious fashion right next to your table for hours on end would fuck off out of the place too.


  • #43
    Sesshoumaru
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    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    Some parents just couldn't be bothered doing anything about their kids behaviour.

    I once heard a loud knock at my door that just wouldn't stop. I thought there was a fire or there was something seriously wrong with someone so I went running to the front door. When I opened the door I saw a child aged about three standing there. He went running up the street to the mother who was just standing there waiting for him to finish knocking my door. :mad:

    I was parked outside my daughters school waiting to pick her up when I heard a tapping noise on my car. I looked in the side mirror and say a kid tapping a stone against my car repeatedly. His mother (possibly grandmother) just standing there watching him until she noticed I was watching her. :mad:


  • #44
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    stovelid wrote: »
    Should take the kid out of there if he/she is really having a meltdown as it's not fair on the other patrons.

    That said, it would be great if every adult that talked bollocks/lurched around/laughed in an overly loud pretentious fashion right next to your table for hours on end would fuck off out of the place too.

    very good point, not to mention the phone call for all to hear.


  • #45
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    stovelid wrote: »
    That said, it would be great if every adult that talked bollocks/lurched around/laughed in an overly loud pretentious fashion right next to your table for hours on end would fuck off out of the place too.
    Sorry, but I was very, very drunk.


  • #46
    Tubsandtiles
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    OP maybe the kid was autistic ?


  • #47
    melb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭melb


    hondasam wrote: »
    No but unfortunately people who do not have kids seem to think they would make perfect parents with obedient kids who never cry etc.
    reality kicks in when you have them, it's not as easy as it looks.

    Kids cry we all know that. But this kid was screaming in the restuarant and being ignored. Totally different situation.


  • #48
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    hondasam wrote: »
    No but unfortunately people who do not have kids seem to think they would make perfect parents with obedient kids who never cry etc.
    reality kicks in when you have them, it's not as easy as it looks.

    And loads of people don't walk into the idea of having a child with their eyes closed either and are great parents.

    I think you are wrong, a lot of people don't have the idea that they would be perfect parents, oftentimes this is why those same people don't have kids.

    But it's pretty easy to reach back into your own life experience and remember how your parents dealt with younger siblings, or how your extended family treats and disciplines their kids.


  • #49
    dark crystal
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    neilthefunkeone wrote: »
    Don't get me started on parents that let their little mistakes run around shops on their own..

    That's a really needless comment to make.

    Some of the language used to describe children on this forum is ridiculously nasty and immature. C*nts? really???

    Sometimes, I have to wonder if such people realise they are being just as bratty and petulant as the kids they are slagging off....

    I also wonder were all these grown adults perfectly quiet and well behaved little angels when they were very young ( although I'm sure they'll say they were).


  • #50
    melb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭melb


    stovelid wrote: »
    Trying to get kids to behave is a work in progress so people get caught out unfortunately and it really is stressful and embarrassing to know your kid is wrecking people's heads.

    Should take the kid out of there if he/she is really having a meltdown as it's not fair on the other patrons.

    That said, it would be great if every adult that talked bollocks/drunkenly lurched around/laughed in an overly loud pretentious fashion right next to your table for hours on end would fuck off out of the place too.

    Difference is you can tell another adult to shut the hell up.

    You cannot tell someones kid...


  • #51
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    hondasam wrote: »
    No but unfortunately people who do not have kids seem to think they would make perfect parents with obedient kids who never cry etc.
    reality kicks in when you have them, it's not as easy as it looks.
    To be fair, it doesn't take a parent to know that taking the kid outside whilst he/she had a tantrum would be the right thing to do.


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  • #52
    Overflow
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    orourkeda wrote: »
    I hate the little c*nts

    Well now your just a bigger and older c*nt :D


  • #53
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    And loads of people don't walk into the idea of having a child with their eyes closed either and are great parents.

    I think you are wrong, a lot of people don't have the idea that they would be perfect parents, oftentimes this is why those same people don't have kids.

    But it's pretty easy to reach back into your own life experience and remember how your parents dealt with younger siblings, or how your extended family treats and disciplines their kids.


    adults have bad days, kids have days it's life.
    The child was crying and If it were me I would have left the restaurant so others could enjoy their meal.

    no one knows what type of parent they will make until they have a child.


  • #54
    carlybabe1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭carlybabe1


    Also had a similar experience in my local pool recently, child about the age of three screamed non stop at the top of her lungs from the time she was taken out of the pool, still screaming while i dressed, still screaming while i washed my son in the shower, still screaming when i had him dressed, packed up our bags and were leaving. not once did the mother even say "be quiet" or stop that, she just continued to ignore her, I wanted to punch her straight in the face (mammy now, not the brat)
    The previous week, she (little brat) was berating another boy in the changing room about seeing his willie and bum, again the mother said nothing, lazy cnut :mad:


  • #55
    ClareVisitor
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    I'd be mortified if mine were going on like that. That kind of behaviour isn't tolerated, they'd be out of there quick smart.


  • #56
    stovelid
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    melb wrote: »
    Difference is you can tell another adult to shut the hell up.
    .

    I'd say you're in big demand as a dinner guest.


  • #57
    Caraville
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    Some parents just aren't good at discipline- they don't want to be the bad guy all the time. But I think the "cruel to be kind" method needs to come into play- children will always push the boundaries, but it's up to the adult to know when to call a halt. Especially if it's interfering with other people's quality of life.

    I'm not a parent so it's easy for me to say all this I suppose, but as an onlooker and as someone who works with young people, there is one message I'd give to some parents- stop this bull of trying to be "friends" with your children. You're not their friend, you're the parent. The children are supposed to "hate" you at times, get annoyed with you, and even be a little scared of making you angry or sad. You have to impose authority over them, which can become less severe over time as they learn what's right and wrong. But you will NEVER be your child's friend, nor should you feel you have to be. I'm 29 and I love both my parents to bits, they're sound out and would do anything for me. I suppose I could say now that my Mam is a type of friend to me now, but even still she's first and foremost my mother, as she should be. Sometimes you just have to be the bitch, but in the end it pays off and the children will respect you more for it.


  • #58
    Dymo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Dymo


    You could take a leaf out of this place, any kids making noise they were asked to leave as well as the parents. He was on Joe Dffy and Ray Darcy about his policy.

    http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g186636-d607603-r28279997-Matt_the_Thrasher-County_Tipperary.html
    I have heard the owner on Irish national radio and he is very arrogant. He was on defending his stance about children and enforcing the fact that people with children have to leave IF the child gets unsettled. He also made no bones about the fact when questioned


  • #59
    melb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭melb


    stovelid wrote: »
    I'd say you're in big demand as a dinner guest.

    Wouldn't let some ignoramus ruin my dinner-would you?


  • #60
    dark crystal
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    carlybabe1 wrote: »
    Also had a similar experience in my local pool recently, child about the age of three screamed non stop at the top of her lungs from the time she was taken out of the pool, still screaming while i dressed, still screaming while i washed my son in the shower, still screaming when i had him dressed, packed up our bags and were leaving. not once did the mother even say "be quiet" or stop that, she just continued to ignore her, I wanted to punch her straight in the face (mammy now, not the brat)
    The previous week, she (little brat) was berating another boy in the changing room about seeing his willie and bum, again the mother said nothing, lazy cnut :mad:

    That there is the parent's fault, out and out.

    There's no way my kids would be allowed to act that way and if they tried it, there would be punishments!

    Kids will have off days and they are not always equipped to handle themselves in the same way as an adult would when they are tired, or frustrated, especially younger kids, but it is a parent's job to try and minimise and diffuse these incidents as best they can.


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  • #61
    stovelid
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    carlybabe1 wrote: »
    I wanted to punch her straight in the face (mammy now, not the brat)
    The previous week, she (little brat) was berating another boy in the changing room about seeing his willie and bum, again the mother said nothing, lazy cnut :mad:

    Thankful;y, the chances are that the kid - as nasty as she sounds now - may have every chance of growing up to be the kind of adult that doesn't write stuff like this.


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