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WWDC Keynote on Monday (June 6th) - Predictions/Discussion

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  • #32
    opinion guy
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    Hmm looking forward then to next week. My solid state drive should arrive and hopefully Lion will be awesome and my beastie here will have a whole new lease of life:D


  • #33
    banquo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Actually pretty psyched for this now. Last year iOS4 got pretty much an entire event to itself, and the cramming of a few things together this year suggests either (a) they don't have enough on each individual thing to make a big enough deal out of any individual aspect of the company (eg. iCloud, iOS, OSX, etc), or else (b) this is all about integration between the platforms, and the best way to show off iCloud is to have it at an event that also demos their mobile and desktop OSs anyway.

    Either way, I haz popcorns.


  • #34
    Sad Professor
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    This starts at 6pm today. I've started a Keynote discussion thread over on the AMD forum as well. It's up to yourselves, but given how much busier that forum is, it might be better if we all gravitate over there for the keynote discussion rather than have it be segregated between here and there. It's times like this we could do with a general Apple forum. But with all the iOS features being added to OS X, I feel like this event is mostly directed at iOS users anyway. This actually pleases me as after this event I think we may see an increase in the "halo effect" that previously boosted Mac sales.


  • #35
    NUTZZ
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    So what live blog is everyone going to be following on? I think I'll go with Engadget


  • #36
    Sad Professor
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    It's difficult to predict which one is going to be the fastest and most reliable, so I usually have them all running in different tabs and switch back and forth.


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  • #37
    Daysha
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    Gizmodo's live blog seems to be flying so will probably start off with them.


  • #38
    NUTZZ
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    This has been floating around for a while and no one knows if it's a hoax or not, but it claims to be streaming living video of the event at 6pm; clicky

    Might be worth keeping an eye on just on the off chance that it's legit!

    EDIT: Yup it's a fake!


  • #39
    NUTZZ
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    Here's a good stream with SoldierKnowsBest covering the event!


  • #40
    David086
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    So now that Lion is only available through the Mac App Store how will older users get their hands on the new version of OSX?

    Like me for instance I have Leopard and never bothered updating it to Snow Leopard therefor not getting the Mac App Store. But now I want Lion, do I have to pay $30 for Snow Leopard and then another 30 for Lion? There must be another way.


  • #41
    NUTZZ
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    Looks like Leopard users may have to upgrade to Snow Leopard first in order to get Lion! Clicky


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  • #42
    David086
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 623 ✭✭✭David086


    NUTZZ wrote: »
    Looks like Leopard users may have to upgrade to Snow Leopard first in order to get Lion! Clicky

    Ugh that's just retarded.


  • #43
    Sad Professor
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    Given the low price, Lion is obviously an upgrade license for SL and not a full license. I guess we'll have to wait and see what options (if any) Apple are going to give Leopard users. The last time Apple offered a box set for Tiger users, but it was a bit pricey. You might be better off just getting SL first. Total cost would be about €60 which is less than Leopard cost (it was about €120 if I recall correctly). Wait and see.


  • #44
    Losty Dublin
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    The iTunes back up via iCloud, iTunes Match, is unfeckingreal:)


  • #45
    Sad Professor
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    According to Apple, Lion will create a recovery partition on your hard drive. I suspect this is how it will install Lion by default. You download the Lion installer app, it creates the partition (similar to Bootcamp) and then boots up using that partition to perform the installation. However, I assume it will also allow you the option to burn a DVD in case of hard drive failure or installing on another machine.

    How Apple will facilatate people with poor internet connnections remains to be seen. 4GB is a lot for someone on a crappy connection.


  • #46
    fasty
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    It certainly comes close to some provider's data caps!

    Hallowed be my NTL 20 meg!

    I've just downloaded the iOS5 beta and iTunes 10.5 but I'm a bit afraid to install it. You can go back from an iOS update (edit, no you can't!!!), but upgrading iTunes is for keeps!


  • #47
    opinion guy
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    Sad Professor wrote: »
    According to Apple, Lion will create a recovery partition on your hard drive. I suspect this is how it will install Lion by default. You download the Lion installer app, it creates the partition (similar to Bootcamp) and then boots up using that partition to perform the installation. However, I assume it will also allow you the option to burn a DVD in case of hard drive failure or installing on another machine.

    How Apple will facilatate people with poor internet connnections remains to be seen. 4GB is a lot for someone on a crappy connection.

    I had better allow a dvd cause a recovery partition ain't much use to me if my hard drive ****s itself


  • #48
    Creamy Goodness
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    if your hard drive ****s itself you'll just download it again for free on the mac app store, i'm sure you can put the lion installer on an external hdd as well.


  • #49
    Sad Professor
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    You also have the restore disc that came with your Mac for any hard drive emergencies. Assuming you have a backup, you wouldn't be doing a clean install after a hard drive failure anyway. You'd just be restoring from the backup.

    I agree that recovery partitions are kinda useless though. Separate flash storage built into the Mac would be far better. Especially for all those foolish people who manage to lose or throw away their restore disc.


  • #50
    opinion guy
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    Sad Professor wrote: »
    You also have the restore disc that came with your Mac for any hard drive emergencies. Assuming you have a backup, you wouldn't be doing a clean install after a hard drive failure anyway. You'd just be restoring from the backup.

    I agree that recovery partitions are kinda useless though. Separate flash storage built into the Mac would be far better. Especially for all those foolish people who manage to lose or throw away their restore disc.

    i have a restore disc a leopard disc. And I have a snow leopard disc. So if I wanted to do a restore I would have to install leopard, then upgrade to snow leop[ard, then upgrade to lion (presumably), then do a system restore. Thats all pretty painful


  • #51
    Sad Professor
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    Agreed, which is why there will almost certainly be an option to burn a Lion disc. I assume you also keep a backup though, right?


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  • #52
    LukeS_
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    Watching the keynote really makes me want to get a Mac. Anybody know the cheapest place to get an iMac? Excluding Adverts or any sites like that. :)


  • #53
    Zapp Brannigan
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    iCloud seems amazing, definitely worth the $24.99 or whatever the equivalent will be in Euro (I'm assuming a 1:1 conversion).

    Also can't wait for iOS 5.

    Needless to say I'll definitely be upgrading to Lion next month.


  • #54
    opinion guy
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    Sad Professor wrote: »
    Agreed, which is why there will almost certainly be an option to burn a Lion disc. I assume you also keep a backup though, right?

    Yeah. Will leopard deal with a time machine backup of a lion system though ?


  • #55
    Sad Professor
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    LukeS_ wrote: »
    Watching the keynote really makes me want to get a Mac. Anybody know the cheapest place to get an iMac? Excluding Adverts or any sites like that. :)
    Try the Apple refurb store. But you won't get much cheaper than Apple themselves.
    Zapp Brannigan wrote: »
    iCloud seems amazing, definitely worth the $24.99 or whatever the equivalent will be in Euro (I'm assuming a 1:1 conversion).
    iCloud is actually free. iTunes Match will cost $25, but it's unlikely to be available in Ireland for a while.
    opinion guy wrote: »
    Yeah. Will leopard deal with a time machine backup of a lion system though ?
    Should do. It's just restoring what's in the backup.


  • #56
    Zapp Brannigan
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    Sad Professor wrote: »

    iCloud is actually free. iTunes Match will cost $25, but it's unlikely to be available in Ireland for a while.

    Really? That's disappointing :( I'm in Canada until December so hopefully I'll be able to sign up for it here and it will work back home.


  • #57
    conor.hogan.2
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    Right so if you dont cre for Lion and dont have an iphone - is there anything else good?
    (not to disparage those too, theyre great)

    4gb, i have 20meg 250gb cap and I dont even really want to be downloading that.

    scrollbars are gone, well its bad enough when my parents or even friends use a mac thats really gonna make it more awkward.


  • #58
    Sad Professor
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    iCloud is part of Lion and iOS 5, so if you aren't interested in either of them, no.

    You'd be able to download Lion in an hour or two on that connection.

    And scrollbars aren't gone. They are just hidden until you start scrolling. Afaik you can turn the old ones back on if you want.


  • #59
    conor.hogan.2
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    OK, thanks.

    Probably one of the first apple events in years where I was a bit meh on it.


  • #60
    opinion guy
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    Sad Professor wrote: »
    iCloud is part of Lion and iOS 5, so if you aren't interested in either of them, no.


    Hmm - does that mean you have to have iCloud if you get Lion ?? I have no interest in this cloud computing malarky - negative interest even. I wouln't get Lion unless there is some way to disable iCloud


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  • #61
    Sad Professor
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    Of course, you can turn it off if you want.

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