David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

wonderfulname · 05-06-2011 11:25PM

I think he'll get nominated, given his popularity I think it would raise large questions about the nature of our democracy if he wasn't - the kind of questions politicians could do without.

Laisurg · 05-06-2011 11:26PM

Solnskaya wrote: »

Useless role??? Sure he was put on this earth to fill useless roles, and very well he has done so far I might add. I like David Norris, but only in the way I would kinda like Jedward, ie they are obviously sly conniving pushy cnuts, but my golly, don't they do it in such a charming, entertaining way.(this post sounds marginally better if read in a D. Norris accent(i.e a totally fake, whinnying west brit toffs impression)

That's a bit harsh... calm down, it'll be good for your blood pressure.

mikemac · 05-06-2011 11:29PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Have FF and Labour not given their councillors free reign to do as they see fit? Mostly cos they don't want the expense of running the campaign.

FF have Brian Crowley and he'll need their TD and Senate backing to get on the ballot. Maybe you are right on the expense, I read the party is in serious debt.
FF backed Paddy Hillary and Mary McAleese so they've backed some good candidates in the past. Maybe it's one thing they are good at

Labour have Michael D and now Kathleen O'Meara wants to give it a shot. Labour HQ would fools not to get both on the ballot. They can transfer to each other.
So realy Labour HQ should be instructing labour members on what to do, any good party would.

Kathleen O'Meara doesn't have much of a profile but she is one of the better known senators

RachaelVO · 05-06-2011 11:34PM

mikemac wrote: »

FF have Brian Crowley and he'll need their TD and Senate backing to get on the ballot. Maybe you are right on the expense, I read the party is in serious debt.
FF backed Paddy Hillary and Mary McAleese so they've backed some good candidates in the past

Labour have Michael D and now Kathleen O'Meara wants to give it a shot. Labour HQ would fools not to get both on the ballot. They can transfer to each other.
So realy Labour HQ should be instructed labour members on what to do, any good party would.

Kathleen O'Meara doesn't have much of a profile but she is one of the better known senators

You could well be right, but I thought I read last week that they weren't nominating a specific candidate as they don't have the funds (given that I read so much stuff on the elections cos of the "controversy" I could be getting slightly confused

)

But mind you, Labour would be daft not to run Michael D, I reckon that if Norris gets nominated it'll be between them both.

Biggins · 05-06-2011 11:35PM

nordisk celt83 wrote: »

...As an aside, it strikes me as odd that little has been asked of why HLB was so strange as to ask questions of an elected senator about such lowly subjects as casual sex, paedophillia and incest???
I know the good senator stated he was shocked and surprised by her bizzare line of questioning!

http://irishindependent.newspaperdir...er/viewer.aspx

Thats a telling, very good question - and an important point.
I wonder did our clever journalist go about asking such questions to others that are equal in intelligence/education or did she just ask that question supposedly to him in hope she might get an answer - or even a bit of one that she could then further use for sensationalism if printed in the right context?

No, some journalists would never do such underhand things - sure aren't they all the personification of honesty and decency!

Pherekydes · 05-06-2011 11:44PM

Labour also have Fergus Finlay.

They have told their members they are free to support the nomination of independents. They have the numbers to nominate their own candidate, plus an independent or two, depending on how much support is required by these independents.

sesna · 05-06-2011 11:46PM

mikemac wrote: »

He needs 20 and he said he has 10 already. Mainly independent senators and he'll get a few more TD's

I'd be interested to know which councils would back him. The main parties control the councils so surely they would back their own candidate. Party HQ would demand it.

There are no councils controlled by independents

It will be interesting to see who the new senators will support. The support of the 10 Oireachtas members he supposedly has may have dwindled after this week.

He is not guaranteed any councils given FG control the majority, it's unknown how independents or Labour councillors will vote, or once again if they will want to be associated with him after this weeks media coverage.

I would say his nomination is far from certain.

Show Time · 06-06-2011 09:07AM

Vincent Browne would be ideal for the President.

RachaelVO · 06-06-2011 09:08AM

Show Time wrote: »

Vincent Browne would be ideal for the President.

Are ya mad? We'd be on every countries hit list before we could blink, he'd offend everyone. He'd be like our very own Prince Phillip!

Show Time · 06-06-2011 09:40AM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Are ya mad? We'd be on every countries hit list before we could blink, he'd offend everyone. He'd be like our very own Prince Phillip!

As it stands we are already neck deep in dog muck so what harm would it do to sink a few more feet into it.

Sir Oxman · 06-06-2011 10:02AM

Well, Sunday has come and gone and it appears Norris's campaign hasn't suffered any political defections, publicly anyway.
Reading here and elsewhere online, his base support apparently hasn't suffered so with that, I expect him to get his nomination. FF, SF and Labour councillors have a 'free' vote and I can see Labour councillors in particular having their 'free' vote engineered towards supporting Norris as any Labour Pres candidate (*hint* MichaelD) will need transfers to get elected and Norris prefs should float Labour's way.
I think FG are shooting themselves in the foot with Cox, the €urostate toady, former FFer and PD and Christian Brother financial asset defender being allowed join that party just so he can possibly get a nomination. He's also a Spinelli member so what's he doing running for President of a nation state when he doesn't even believe in nation states?

Biggins · 06-06-2011 10:06AM

gambiaman wrote: »

...I think FG are shooting themselves in the foot with Cox, the €urostate toady, former FFer and PD and Christian Brother financial asset defender being allowed join that party just so he can possibly get a nomination.

I think that alone is disgraceful and is indicative of the still underlying two faced tactics still prevalent in politics today - some things never change!
FG promising all change - "We are not FF" - bollox, they are still using the same type of underhand tactics.

Well it didn't take long. Talk about looking out for one another and using another for self gain and promotion!
This is a man who has his head buried up Europe's ass and swaps parties or goes independent like positions were t-shirts to be switched daily - just as long as he gets what he wants and he looks good! Talk about an example of "jobs for the boys". Its a bit hypocritical that a normal party member has to wait 6 months to two years in order just to be able to vote in the Fine Gael selection process, yet as soon as Pat Cox signs up, he can run for president on behalf of the Fine Gael party! Talk about rules to suit some!
He is a shameless opportunist and Fine Gael ordinary members ought to be outraged that their leadership is allowing this blatant disgrace to go ahead! That they, the heads of Fine Gael are allowing this to happen says a lot about how much they are different from Fianna Fail in some respects.
...Not much it seems! One step forward - two steps back!

K-9 · 06-06-2011 10:12AM

Gay Mitchell might be running so Norris isn't the only gay in the village. Would prefer David tbh.

Sir Oxman · 06-06-2011 10:35AM

Biggins wrote: »

I think that alone is disgraceful and is indicative of the still underlying two faced tactics still prevalent in politics today - some things never change!
FG promising all change - "We are not FF" - bollox, they are still using the same type of underhand tactics.

Well it didn't take long. Talk about looking out for one another and using another for self gain and promotion!
This is a man who has his head buried up Europe's ass and swaps parties or goes independent like positions were t-shirts to be switched daily - just as long as he gets what he wants and he looks good! Talk about an example of "jobs for the boys". Its a bit hypocritical that a normal party member has to wait 6 months to two years in order just to be able to vote in the Fine Gael selection process, yet as soon as Pat Cox signs up, he can run for president on behalf of the Fine Gael party! Talk about rules to suit some!
He is a shameless opportunist and Fine Gael ordinary members ought to be outraged that their leadership is allowing this blatant disgrace to go ahead! That they, the heads of Fine Gael are allowing this to happen says a lot about how much they are different from Fianna Fail in some respects.
...Not much it seems! One step forward - two steps back!

Hopefully, the FG rank and file let the Pres nominators know exactly what they think of this latest FG parachutist!
I cannot think of a more odious, slimey and hubristic potential candidate this side of the disgraced B Ahern.

orourkeda · 06-06-2011 10:55AM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Deffo. He is, and will be the best candidate for the job (bar NONE)

How do you know this?

AudreyHepburn · 06-06-2011 11:27AM

orourkeda wrote: »

How do you know this?

He doesn't know Norris will be the right choice obviously but he believes it. It is his opinion (which I agree with) to which he is entitled.

RachaelVO · 06-06-2011 11:27AM

orourkeda wrote: »

How do you know this?

His track record
His international reputation

That makes him the best man for the job

RachaelVO · 06-06-2011 11:28AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

He doesn't know Norris will be the right choice obviously but he believes it. It is his opinion (which I agree with) to which he is entitled.

Thanks Audrey, but it's SHE:o

RachaelVO · 06-06-2011 11:38AM

Show Time wrote: »

As it stands we are already neck deep in dog muck so what harm would it do to sink a few more feet into it.

Vincent Brown would not only offend those with nuclear weapons, but those with spears. We may be a laughing stock, but nobody truly hates us (yet) I reckon VB would finish us off!

AudreyHepburn · 06-06-2011 11:57AM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Thanks Audrey, but it's SHE:o

My bad, sorry!

RachaelVO · 06-06-2011 11:59AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

My bad, sorry!

Ach sure, Ive been called worse

Spread · 06-06-2011 11:59AM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Part of the problem is, is that you will be reading editorials. The best one_I read so far, was from Ian O 'Doherty,
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/ian-odoherty-weve-nothing-in-common-but-that-doesnt-mean-i-cant-like-norris-2665066.html

It's pretty even handed, and even though they agree on very little, he has at least given him the respect he deserves.

I can understand that people don't want to vote for him, but look up his record and make your opinion from that. Current media is all bluster and sh1te about him and HLB! He has faught for equality, disability rights, he has been involved in north south peace projects... That's what we should be judging him on.

RachaelIVO, if you cannot distinguish between populist analytical scribblings and editorials, you may be missing the point on deeper matters.

RachaelVO · 06-06-2011 12:07PM

Spread wrote: »

RachaelIVO, if you cannot distinguish between populist analytical scribblings and editorials, you may be missing the point on deeper matters.

Labouring the point slightly aren't ya... I'm pretty sure I blatently ignored you the last few times you brought it up.

Sir Oxman · 06-06-2011 12:13PM

Niall O'Dowd now being talked about as a candidate!
This is getting very interesting ;-)
I wonder will Kenny keep his promise and allow Irish overseas to vote in the election?
This potential candidate could be where my #1 vote would go.

Spread · 06-06-2011 12:19PM

Spread wrote: »

RachaelIVO, if you cannot distinguish between populist analytical scribblings and editorials, you may be missing the point on deeper matters.

RachaelVO wrote: »

Labouring the point slightly aren't ya... I'm pretty sure I blatently ignored you the last few times you brought it up.

Afraid I brought it up only once before - as a rerun will show. [No missing evidence here

]. You seem to have a problem with both your short AND long term memory. Are you OK?

Spread · 06-06-2011 12:25PM

gambiaman wrote: »

Niall O'Dowd now being talked about as a candidate!
This is getting very interesting ;-)
I wonder will Kenny keep his promise and allow Irish overseas to vote in the election?
This potential candidate could be where my #1 vote would go.

Niall O' Dowd is a truly good Irishman abroad. Also a good print chief as shown by his trio of papers here in the States. However, a President needs to be taken seriously and Niall's penchant for mischief making might scupper his chances. In The Irish Central, as well as great editorials, in the letters department he is a serious troll.

RachaelVO · 06-06-2011 12:27PM

Spread wrote: »

Afraid I brought it up only once before - as a rerun will show. [No missing evidence here ]. You seem to have a problem with both your short AND long term memory. Are you OK?

Sure?
03-06-2011, 16:51

Spread wrote: »

Hey there! Ian O' Doherty is a columnist. AFAIK he doesn't do Editorials. You obviously don't read a lot of his work. He is not always as PC or gay-friendly in his pieces. He generally doesn't mince his words when talking about mincing!

03-06-2011, 17:28

Spread wrote: »

Hmmmmmm!

sesna · 06-06-2011 05:40PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

He doesn't know Norris will be the right choice obviously but he believes it. It is his opinion (which I agree with) to which he is entitled.

Of course it's his opinion. This is a discussion forum. You have made this laborious point a few times now. Would you prefer if every opinion was prefaced with a tedious "IMO" or "IMHO"?

RachaelVO · 06-06-2011 05:47PM

sesna wrote: »

Of course it's his opinion. This is a discussion forum. You have made this laborious point a few times now. Would you prefer if every opinion was prefaced with a tedious "IMO" or "IMHO"?

Enough with the HE... SHE, SHE, SHE!!!!!!

I know I can be a bit ballsy but...

alex73 · 06-06-2011 05:51PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

His track record
His international reputation

That makes him the best man for the job

He believes if a young person consents to sex it's ok. It's on the record and he has not asked for the record to be changed. He has ambigous views on underage sex

David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

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