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David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    sesna wrote: »

    First I have nothing but respect and admiration for Christine Buckley, she is an inspiration. But I think she like many others is taking what Norris out of context, though given her experience I can understand why she might.

    Second that paper is an absolute rag and you know it. All it is missing is the red top. It makes its money printing sensationalist trash.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 250 ✭✭Matthew23


    i would probably vote for him but maybe some people might think it is a bad idea to vote for him because i heard he is gay?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Matthew23 wrote: »
    i would probably vote for him but maybe some people might think it is a bad idea to vote for him because i heard he is gay?
    Too late, trolls posing before you have tried that tact!
    Move on and kop on!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    First I have nothing but respect and admiration for Christine Buckley, she is an inspiration. But I think she like many others is taking what Norris out of context, though given her experience I can understand why she might.

    Second that paper is an absolute rag and you know it. All it is missing is the red top. It makes its money printing sensationalist trash.

    How many messengers have been shot now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    WOW, just going through the theard from the last few days, haven't had much time to dedicate to it as for once I actually managed to have somewhat of a life and went out and got drunk. Doesn't happen much these days, but seem I missed quiet a bit of tooing and froing (not to mention the odd troll).

    Despite the Nay sayers, I support Norris 100%. Not because of his sexuality, that just doesn't come into it! He's a good bloke! He has a tremendous track record in fighting for the over looked in Irish society, and that's why he has my support!

    I read the piece in the mail, and it just confirmed the fact that if I ran out of toilet paper, it'd make a good substitute for wiping my ars3!

    Of all the people in Ireland who should be more weary of things being taken out of context its John Waters (despite the fact that I think he's only covering his ars3 anyway). It could be said that he thought there were too much funding gone into protecting women in domestic violence situations! He did actually say that. However it was in comparison to the funding men who suffer in domestic violence situations. If memory serves me rightly he got into quiet the tit for tat argument with Amnesty International (I think).

    As for Waters and Dunphy together. Pffffff, it's a conversation between someone who is (as I said) covering his own ars3 and someone who, based on personalities didn't ever support his own country! Yeah there's two opinion to take seriously!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Norris sure ain't getting my vote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    sesna wrote: »
    How many messengers have been shot now?

    What message? She was commenting on the Magill article, so there was no message just an opinion!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,226 ✭✭✭Solair


    I don't know if the presidency is the right role for Norris at all though.
    He's a maverick (and I mean that in a positive way) and a life-long campaigner and that seems to be what suits him best.

    He is also an academic who can pursue lines of logic that do not necessarily sit comfortably with the general population and I have a bit of a sense that this may be what happened in this article.

    However, I most definitely do not agree with the opinions expressed.

    Also, I don't really see the relevance of Ancient Greece's social norms in 21st century Europe. We are talking about a society that had limited democracy only for the elite, no women's rights and that still accepted slavery as normal. It's hardly a reasonable standard by which to set our moral compass in 2011!

    The presidency is a very constricting role which which is largely symbolic and gesture based. I think Mary McAleese showed exactly the kind of functions the role can be used for during the recent visit of Queen Elizabeth.

    It's not a very exciting job!

    All I will say is the fact that he's gay, has nothing whatsoever to do with my decisions to vote or not vote for him.

    A candidate's sexual orientation plays no role whatsoever in getting my vote. I'm looking for good legislators, presidents, leaders etc not a date!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    Solair wrote: »
    I don't know if the presidency is the right role for Norris at all though.
    He's a maverick (and I mean that in a positive way) and a life-long campaigner and that seems to be what suits him best.

    He is also an academic who can pursue lines of logic that do not necessarily sit comfortably with the general population.

    The presidency is a very constricting role which which is largely symbolic and gesture based. I think Mary McAleese showed exactly the kind of functions the role can be used for during the recent visit of Queen Elizabeth.

    It's not a very exciting job!

    Solair, you get the award for the most sensible, non argumentative post of this whole thread!

    I still think he'd be a great president, but I like your thinking. Great post :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    sesna wrote: »
    How many messengers have been shot now?

    lol. the mail gave a sex abuse victim an article to read without giving her the retort from Norris, and asked for an opinion,

    whats the message? Its gutter journalism, and a deliberate manipulation by that scummy rag.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    How many other countries world wide have a gay man as the head of state?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    Show Time wrote: »
    How many other countries world wide have a gay man as the head of state?

    I think Iceland and either Sweden or Denmark do. I don't think they were elected though. I think they took over as leaders of their respective parties. I'm open to correction on that though, but I'm reasonably sure that's the case!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Show Time wrote: »
    How many other countries world wide have a gay man as the head of state?
    As RachaelVO has said there is:

    Iceland’s Prime Minister Johanna Sigurdardotti (see: http://womensphere.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/icelands-prime-minister-is-first-married-gay-world-leader/), Guido Westerwelle, the leader of the German Liberal Party, Frederick II of Prussia might have been gay, not openly gay but apparently well known at the time. The Mayor of Paris, Bertrand Delano.

    Donald Allan Dunstan, Labor Premier of South Australia between 1 June 1967, and 17 April 1968, and subsequently between 2 June 1970, and 15 February 1979, caused media frenzy when he arrived at Parliament House dressed in what was described as "flesh-pink hot pants".
    See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Dunstan

    ...And lets not even start on how many gay American politicians have risen to high offices.

    There again, here is one or two more politicians to add to the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gay_politicians

    Is that enough to begin with!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 250 ✭✭Matthew23


    Biggins wrote: »
    Too late, trolls posing before you have tried that tact!
    Move on and kop on!

    i dont mean it as a joke im just saying what i think some people might think


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Matthew23 wrote: »
    i dont mean it as a joke im just saying what i think some people might think

    Do yourself a favor and think for yourself - not over a low agenda of other out of date, bigots.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,226 ✭✭✭Solair


    Well given that being gay is not very controversial anymore, I think you'll definitely see a lot more gay politicians in Europe, North America, Australia / NZ etc over the coming years and decades. It's no longer a barrier to entry.

    Although, the main thing in Ireland that's a barrier to entry is not being the brother/sister/aunt/uncle/cousin/etc of a FF/FG politician in the first place lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 250 ✭✭Matthew23


    Biggins wrote: »
    Do yourself a favor and think for yourself - not over a low agenda of other out of date, bigots.

    yes i think u are right


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Biggins wrote: »
    As RachaelVO has said and there there is:

    Iceland’s Prime Minister Johanna Sigurdardotti (see: http://womensphere.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/icelands-prime-minister-is-first-married-gay-world-leader/), Guido Westerwelle, the leader of the German Liberal Party, Frederick II of Prussia might have been gay, not openly gay but apparently well known at the time. The Mayor of Paris, Bertrand Delano.

    Donald Allan Dunstan, Labor Premier of South Australia between 1 June 1967, and 17 April 1968, and subsequently between 2 June 1970, and 15 February 1979, caused media frenzy when he arrived at Parliament House dressed in what was described as "flesh-pink hot pants".
    See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Dunstan

    ...And lets not even start on how many gay American politicians have risen to high offices.

    There again, here is one or two more politicians to add to the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gay_politicians

    Is that enough to begin with! :rolleyes:
    Thanks for the answer to what was a very genuine question, And in answer to your :rolleyes: in my own view it's not nearly enough. If a person is capable of doing a good job then sexual preference should have nothing to do with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    RachaelVO wrote: »
    I think Iceland and either Sweden or Denmark do. I don't think they were elected though. I think they took over as leaders of their respective parties. I'm open to correction on that though, but I'm reasonably sure that's the case!
    Thanking you for a helpful answer.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Show Time wrote: »
    Thanks for the answer to what was a very genuine question, And in answer to your :rolleyes: in my own view it's not nearly enough. If a person is capable of doing a good job then sexual preference should have nothing to do with it.

    I agree. Sadly judging by some posts here, some have still chips on their shoulders about a persons sexuality.
    The last vestiges of Irish sexual bigotry, be it religious based and/or just simply the stupidity of those out of date, is floating around clearly trying to hold the country back in progressiveness and openness.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Biggins wrote: »
    I agree. Sadly judging by some posts here, some have still chips on their shoulders about a persons sexuality.
    The last vestiges of Irish sexual bigotry, be it religious based and/or just simply the stupidity of those out of date, is floating around clearly trying to hold the country back in progressiveness and openness.
    Each to their own as i always say or IDIC Infinite Diversity in Infinite combinations.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Not a hope in hell i would vote for him after all the Controversy during the week.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Not a hope in hell i would vote for him after all the Controversy during the week.

    Well it looks like certain areas of the media has successfully done its work then!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭nordisk celt83


    copy and paste of my observations in the politics section

    No mention of today's poll in the sindo so far...

    Norris finished 20% ahead of his nearest rival, as it appears many can see beyond a nasty, mean-spirited smear when they see one.

    I think a Norris presidency would be excellent for Ireland. I admire him greatly, but more importantly believe his victory would benefit Ireland far more than it would ever benefit him personally.

    However, part of me questions whether such a good, decent man should put himself through what might be a horrendous experience. It's so sad to see a good man so tarnished by those whose own bad-mindednesss is in the gutter.

    Perhaps David Norris is too good for the people of Ireland, if they choose to fall for such a vindictive agenda against him.

    As an aside, it strikes me as odd that little has been asked of why HLB was so strange as to ask questions of an elected senator about such lowly subjects as casual sex, paedophillia and incest???
    I know the good senator stated he was shocked and surprised by her bizzare line of questioning!

    http://irishindependent.newspaperdir...er/viewer.aspx


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    goat2 wrote: »
    and the reason for people stirring **** is, they know he is most popular being 20% above nearest rival,
    if it were any other candidate, someone else would be trying to dig up ****
    to bring them down also
    He gets a massive 53% in the Journal.ie poll.
    See: http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-who-would-get-your-vote-as-next-president-of-ireland-144310-May2011/?voted=1


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    Biggins wrote: »

    Will he even be nominated?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    sesna wrote: »
    Will he even be nominated?

    I don't see why not. A few councils have already indicted that they'll nominate him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    sesna wrote: »
    Will he even be nominated?

    I hope so! He does have a big following, and a lot of supporters, so I think that as he pretty much has to be nominated by elected officials (is that the same for the seanad?), they would be pretty foolish to ignore his popularity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    sesna wrote: »
    Will he even be nominated?

    He needs 20 and he said he has 10 already. Mainly independent senators and he'll get a few more TD's

    I'd be interested to know which councils would back him. The main parties control the councils so surely they would back their own candidate. Party HQ would demand it.

    There are no councils controlled by independents


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    mikemac wrote: »
    He needs 20 and he said he has 10 already. Mainly independent senators and he'll get a few more TD's

    I'd be interested to know which councils would back him. The main parties control the councils so surely they would back their own candidate

    Have FF and Labour not given their councillors free reign to do as they see fit? Mostly cos they don't want the expense of running the campaign.


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