My life has just changed...

UglyBolloxFace · 05-06-2011 02:48AM #1

Like a lot of people, I love nothing more than a lovely rasher sambo or a nice chicken burger. But no longer. No longer will I be complicit.

I've just watched this documentary - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358456/
I felt sick to my stomach watching it, and it has really changed my outlook. I can't believe how sick and dis-compassionate we, the human species, are to animals.

At first I was like 'nope, can't give up the meat, it'll be too difficult'. But then I realised the complicity I and my tastes have in the suffering of these defenceless animals and that complicity has made me see how easy this is going to be and how life changing for the better.

I'm not here to preach, I'm here to give my perspective.

No longer will I be complicit in this disgusting practice.

OutlawPete · 05-06-2011 02:49AM

Going vegan? Why not just eat meat which you are sure has been raised and slaughtered humanely?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 05-06-2011 02:50AM

and what happens to cows, sheep and pigs who have been bred into captivity for centuries when your vegetarian utopia is realised?

they'd starve, or get sick and die in pain. They dont have what it takes to survive on their own, we are the only reason their species exist in such numbers. I'd suggest you go to the zoo, hop into the lion cage and preach your veggie bull**** to the lions.

Insect Overlord · 05-06-2011 02:51AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM6xVQwIOYQ

Dangerous Man · 05-06-2011 02:53AM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Like a lot of people, I love nothing more than a lovely rasher sambo or a nice chicken burger. But no longer. No longer will I be complicit.

I've just watched this documentary - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358456/
I felt sick to my stomach watching it, and it has really changed my outlook. I can't believe how sick and dis-compassionate we, the human species, are to animals.

At first I was like 'nope, can't give up the meat, it'll be too difficult'. But then I realised the complicity I and my tastes have in the suffering of these defenceless animals and that complicity has made me see how easy this is going to be and how life changing for the better.

I'm not here to preach, I'm here to give my perspective.

No longer will I be complicit in this disgusting practice.

I'll watch the movie.

UglyBolloxFace · 05-06-2011 02:53AM

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

and what happens to cows, sheep and pigs who have been bred into captivity for centuries when your vegetarian utopia is realised?

they'd starve, or get sick and die in pain. They dont have what it takes to survive on their own, we are the only reason their species exist in such numbers. I'd suggest you go to the zoo, hop into the lion cage and preach your veggie bull**** to the lions.

How is it veggie bull****? Do you think it's acceptable for animals to be treated like this? (watch the video).

By the way, only today I had a steak, and thought nothing of it. I've finished watching that documentary just now, and by christ it has put me off meat for good.

I can't put into words what I mean exactly, but I'll try this way: if it requires that animals be put through that disgusting chain of rituals for me to have my meat, well then I'll gladly stop eating meat.

And another thing Digby - have some ****ing respect, no need for your tone.

UglyBolloxFace · 05-06-2011 02:54AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Going vegan? Why not just eat meat which you are sure has been raised and slaughtered humanely?

How can you be sure of that?

Saila · 05-06-2011 02:54AM

ok but isnt this a thing for the diary though?

UglyBolloxFace · 05-06-2011 02:56AM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I'll watch the movie.

Let me know your opinion/subsequent outlook after you've watched it.

05-06-2011 02:56AM

I tried being a vegetarian once

that didnt work out too well

alwaysadub · 05-06-2011 02:56AM

Ooh that reminds me, think I'll have a fry in the morning.

Saila · 05-06-2011 02:58AM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

By the way, only today I had a steak, and thought nothing of it. I've finished watching that documentary just now, and by christ it has put me off meat for good.

you mean in a "im never drinking again after that night" kind of way...you'll be back

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 05-06-2011 02:58AM

I thought you were going to say you had a bun in the oven UglyBolloxFace

Einhard · 05-06-2011 02:58AM

If a cow ever got a chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about OP. UglyBollixFace or not.

starbelgrade · 05-06-2011 03:00AM

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he shouldn't have made them so damn tasty.

UglyBolloxFace · 05-06-2011 03:01AM

Julie Strong Revenue wrote: »

I thought you were going to say you had a bun in the oven UglyBolloxFace

But how would I get a girl to copulate with? On a night out it never gets past the initial introductions...hmm, I wonder why:pac:

Fago! · 05-06-2011 03:01AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Going vegan? Why not just eat meat which you are sure has been raised and slaughtered humanely?

Those words look so odd next to each other.

Dangerous Man · 05-06-2011 03:02AM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Let me know your opinion/subsequent outlook after you've watched it.

Will do.

OutlawPete · 05-06-2011 03:03AM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

How can you be sure of that?

Well, I eat mainly raw meats, but I try and make sure that they always come from a source where I can be sure that they have been treated humanely by buying from Organic certified butchers like O'Tooles and Downey's, but many of the farmer's markets now also stock organicily raised meat.

http://www.organicmeat.ie/home/_markets.htm

Einhard · 05-06-2011 03:03AM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Let me know your opinion/subsequent outlook after you've watched it.

Kinda hungry actually...

UglyBolloxFace · 05-06-2011 03:04AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well, I eat mainly raw meats

Thanks for the link. I have to ask as I'm intrigued - raw meats? Isn't that dangerous? What type of raw meat?

Buceph · 05-06-2011 03:05AM

I just spent a few minutes looking at imdb. I presume this is an American documentary, made in America and about American practices. If so it is what farming in Ireland could become (outside of beef farming.) It's what's been happening with chickens, at least the cheap chicken you can buy. Which is all imported now. I think the only largescale commercial chicken farm is in the North (Moy Valley maybe.) It was the likes of Dunnes and Tescos who were pushing the cheapest meats, and customers were eating it up (no pun intended.) That meant there was a race to the bottom in regards to the way chickens were treated. If you buy chickens in Ireland, go to a butcher and ask for Irish reared chicken (free range is best, but not always necessary.) You may pay a little more, but you're not paying for shipping the chicken half way across the world, and chances are the animal will have had better living conditions than virtually anywhere else in the world.

When it comes to pork and very much so with beef, Irish farming conditions are what make us "players" on the international stage. The quality of our meat is some of the best in the world, and that's because most of our animals are treated well, they have big pastures or large pens during the winter, they're medically looked after so there's far less need for blanket widescale and potentially dangerous anti-biotics treatments (which results in humans building up a resistance to the antibiotic) and they have a much less traumatic life.

Seriously, Irish food is probably the only indigenous product that is doing well as an export at the moment. The problem is the Dunnes and Tescos have no concern for the Irish economy, or the Irish food and agriculture industries. They want to source their items at as cheap a price as possible, and drag as many customers in as possible.

The best thing to do from an animal welfare standpoint (apart from becoming a hippy) is to buy from a good local butcher. (And no, I'm not related to any butchers.)

starbelgrade · 05-06-2011 03:06AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well, I eat mainly raw meats,

WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!? :eek:

TheUsual · 05-06-2011 03:07AM

Humans ... the other red meat.

After World War 3 , I could have a vegetarian kebab.

abouttobebanned · 05-06-2011 03:07AM

I prefer to remain ignorant and fulfilled.

hondasam · 05-06-2011 03:09AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well, I eat mainly raw meats, but I try and make sure that they always come from a source where I can be sure that they have been treated humanely by buying from Organic certified butchers like O'Tooles and Downey's, but many of the farmer's markets now also stock organicily raised meat.

http://www.organicmeat.ie/home/_markets.htm

you would be easy to cook for

UglyBolloxFace · 05-06-2011 03:10AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I prefer to remain ignorant and fulfilled.

I wish I could.

Einhard · 05-06-2011 03:12AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well, I eat mainly raw meats

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you're a weirdo!

I lived in France a while back, and a friend and I went for a meal. he ordered his thing, and I thought the Steak Tartar seemed rather lovely. So my friend got his food, and quite delicious he made it look too, and then they came out with mine. Steak Tartar, it turns out, is actually raw mince with an egg on top!!:eek: Apparently the uncooked cow isn't hazardous enough, they have to throw raw egg on top too! i ended up looking at my friend stuffing his face with hat seemed like th lovliest meal ever as I poked samonella incorporated on my plate!:(

OutlawPete · 05-06-2011 03:12AM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Thanks for the link. I have to ask as I'm intrigued - raw meats? Isn't that dangerous? What type of raw meat?

No, raw meat is served in many restaurants. Dishes such as Steak Tartare, Lamb Carpaccio, Sushi, Sashimi etc are all 'raw'. Lots of cheeses these days are raw (unpasteurised). Parmesan cheese is raw and always has been and most coleslaw is made using raw eggs. You would be surprised how much people consume raw proteins without realising that that is what they are doing.

Amalgam · 05-06-2011 03:13AM

Hmm Buceph, probably okay with beef and pork, but as a meat eater, I baulk at the sludgy, anaemic blob that passes for chicken in some of the supermarkets.

Amuses me when people say, you're safe with chicken..

Cheap meat = race to the bottom, both for animal welfare and the quality of food inserted into the customer's mouth.

I don't get this lack of connection from people, if you're paying €4 for two chickens from a supermarket, what do you expect?

You can taste the difference, if you've ever got a chicken from a relative\farmer\'proper Farmer's Market', or home layed eggs (especially eggs), small bantam eggs, yum.

starbelgrade · 05-06-2011 03:14AM

Buceph wrote: »

I just spent a few minutes looking at imdb. I presume this is an American documentary, made in America and about American practices.

It also purports the philosophy that all beings on this earth - regardless of the species - are earthlings. This means that all living beings - be they humans, fish, animals etc - are all equal and that any mistreatment or subordination of other species (including eating them) is akin to different countries, races, creeds or sexes of humans mistreating others.

In other words, eating a burger is as bad as keeping blacks in slavery, as bad as the Nazis killing the jews or as bad as men not allowing women equal rights.

It's a load of hippy horse shit.

It only stops short of saying that carrots have feelings - and only because if the makers believed that they did, they would have to stop eating altogether and would therefore be dead.

My life has just changed...

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