My life has just changed...

UglyBolloxFace

Like a lot of people, I love nothing more than a lovely rasher sambo or a nice chicken burger. But no longer. No longer will I be complicit.

I've just watched this documentary - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358456/
I felt sick to my stomach watching it, and it has really changed my outlook. I can't believe how sick and dis-compassionate we, the human species, are to animals.

At first I was like 'nope, can't give up the meat, it'll be too difficult'. But then I realised the complicity I and my tastes have in the suffering of these defenceless animals and that complicity has made me see how easy this is going to be and how life changing for the better.

I'm not here to preach, I'm here to give my perspective.

No longer will I be complicit in this disgusting practice.

OutlawPete

Going vegan? Why not just eat meat which you are sure has been raised and slaughtered humanely?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

and what happens to cows, sheep and pigs who have been bred into captivity for centuries when your vegetarian utopia is realised?

they'd starve, or get sick and die in pain. They dont have what it takes to survive on their own, we are the only reason their species exist in such numbers. I'd suggest you go to the zoo, hop into the lion cage and preach your veggie bull**** to the lions.

Insect Overlord

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM6xVQwIOYQ

Dangerous Man

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Like a lot of people, I love nothing more than a lovely rasher sambo or a nice chicken burger. But no longer. No longer will I be complicit.

I've just watched this documentary - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358456/
I felt sick to my stomach watching it, and it has really changed my outlook. I can't believe how sick and dis-compassionate we, the human species, are to animals.

At first I was like 'nope, can't give up the meat, it'll be too difficult'. But then I realised the complicity I and my tastes have in the suffering of these defenceless animals and that complicity has made me see how easy this is going to be and how life changing for the better.

I'm not here to preach, I'm here to give my perspective.

No longer will I be complicit in this disgusting practice.

I'll watch the movie.

UglyBolloxFace

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

and what happens to cows, sheep and pigs who have been bred into captivity for centuries when your vegetarian utopia is realised?

they'd starve, or get sick and die in pain. They dont have what it takes to survive on their own, we are the only reason their species exist in such numbers. I'd suggest you go to the zoo, hop into the lion cage and preach your veggie bull**** to the lions.

How is it veggie bull****? Do you think it's acceptable for animals to be treated like this? (watch the video).

By the way, only today I had a steak, and thought nothing of it. I've finished watching that documentary just now, and by christ it has put me off meat for good.

I can't put into words what I mean exactly, but I'll try this way: if it requires that animals be put through that disgusting chain of rituals for me to have my meat, well then I'll gladly stop eating meat.

And another thing Digby - have some ****ing respect, no need for your tone.

UglyBolloxFace

OutlawPete wrote: »

Going vegan? Why not just eat meat which you are sure has been raised and slaughtered humanely?

How can you be sure of that?

Saila

ok but isnt this a thing for the diary though?

UglyBolloxFace

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I'll watch the movie.

Let me know your opinion/subsequent outlook after you've watched it.

I tried being a vegetarian once

that didnt work out too well

alwaysadub

Ooh that reminds me, think I'll have a fry in the morning.

Saila

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

By the way, only today I had a steak, and thought nothing of it. I've finished watching that documentary just now, and by christ it has put me off meat for good.

you mean in a "im never drinking again after that night" kind of way...you'll be back

epgc3fyqirnbsx

I thought you were going to say you had a bun in the oven UglyBolloxFace

Einhard

If a cow ever got a chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about OP. UglyBollixFace or not.

starbelgrade

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he shouldn't have made them so damn tasty.

UglyBolloxFace

Julie Strong Revenue wrote: »

I thought you were going to say you had a bun in the oven UglyBolloxFace

But how would I get a girl to copulate with? On a night out it never gets past the initial introductions...hmm, I wonder why:pac:

Fago!

OutlawPete wrote: »

Going vegan? Why not just eat meat which you are sure has been raised and slaughtered humanely?

Those words look so odd next to each other.

Dangerous Man

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Let me know your opinion/subsequent outlook after you've watched it.

Will do.

OutlawPete

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

How can you be sure of that?

Well, I eat mainly raw meats, but I try and make sure that they always come from a source where I can be sure that they have been treated humanely by buying from Organic certified butchers like O'Tooles and Downey's, but many of the farmer's markets now also stock organicily raised meat.

http://www.organicmeat.ie/home/_markets.htm

Einhard

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Let me know your opinion/subsequent outlook after you've watched it.

Kinda hungry actually...

UglyBolloxFace

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well, I eat mainly raw meats

Thanks for the link. I have to ask as I'm intrigued - raw meats? Isn't that dangerous? What type of raw meat?

Buceph

I just spent a few minutes looking at imdb. I presume this is an American documentary, made in America and about American practices. If so it is what farming in Ireland could become (outside of beef farming.) It's what's been happening with chickens, at least the cheap chicken you can buy. Which is all imported now. I think the only largescale commercial chicken farm is in the North (Moy Valley maybe.) It was the likes of Dunnes and Tescos who were pushing the cheapest meats, and customers were eating it up (no pun intended.) That meant there was a race to the bottom in regards to the way chickens were treated. If you buy chickens in Ireland, go to a butcher and ask for Irish reared chicken (free range is best, but not always necessary.) You may pay a little more, but you're not paying for shipping the chicken half way across the world, and chances are the animal will have had better living conditions than virtually anywhere else in the world.

When it comes to pork and very much so with beef, Irish farming conditions are what make us "players" on the international stage. The quality of our meat is some of the best in the world, and that's because most of our animals are treated well, they have big pastures or large pens during the winter, they're medically looked after so there's far less need for blanket widescale and potentially dangerous anti-biotics treatments (which results in humans building up a resistance to the antibiotic) and they have a much less traumatic life.

Seriously, Irish food is probably the only indigenous product that is doing well as an export at the moment. The problem is the Dunnes and Tescos have no concern for the Irish economy, or the Irish food and agriculture industries. They want to source their items at as cheap a price as possible, and drag as many customers in as possible.

The best thing to do from an animal welfare standpoint (apart from becoming a hippy) is to buy from a good local butcher. (And no, I'm not related to any butchers.)

starbelgrade

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well, I eat mainly raw meats,

WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!? :eek:

TheUsual

Humans ... the other red meat.

After World War 3 , I could have a vegetarian kebab.

abouttobebanned

I prefer to remain ignorant and fulfilled.

hondasam

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well, I eat mainly raw meats, but I try and make sure that they always come from a source where I can be sure that they have been treated humanely by buying from Organic certified butchers like O'Tooles and Downey's, but many of the farmer's markets now also stock organicily raised meat.

http://www.organicmeat.ie/home/_markets.htm

you would be easy to cook for

UglyBolloxFace

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I prefer to remain ignorant and fulfilled.

I wish I could.

Einhard

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well, I eat mainly raw meats

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you're a weirdo!

I lived in France a while back, and a friend and I went for a meal. he ordered his thing, and I thought the Steak Tartar seemed rather lovely. So my friend got his food, and quite delicious he made it look too, and then they came out with mine. Steak Tartar, it turns out, is actually raw mince with an egg on top!!:eek: Apparently the uncooked cow isn't hazardous enough, they have to throw raw egg on top too! i ended up looking at my friend stuffing his face with hat seemed like th lovliest meal ever as I poked samonella incorporated on my plate!:(

OutlawPete

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Thanks for the link. I have to ask as I'm intrigued - raw meats? Isn't that dangerous? What type of raw meat?

No, raw meat is served in many restaurants. Dishes such as Steak Tartare, Lamb Carpaccio, Sushi, Sashimi etc are all 'raw'. Lots of cheeses these days are raw (unpasteurised). Parmesan cheese is raw and always has been and most coleslaw is made using raw eggs. You would be surprised how much people consume raw proteins without realising that that is what they are doing.

Amalgam

Hmm Buceph, probably okay with beef and pork, but as a meat eater, I baulk at the sludgy, anaemic blob that passes for chicken in some of the supermarkets.

Amuses me when people say, you're safe with chicken..

Cheap meat = race to the bottom, both for animal welfare and the quality of food inserted into the customer's mouth.

I don't get this lack of connection from people, if you're paying €4 for two chickens from a supermarket, what do you expect?

You can taste the difference, if you've ever got a chicken from a relative\farmer\'proper Farmer's Market', or home layed eggs (especially eggs), small bantam eggs, yum.

starbelgrade

Buceph wrote: »

I just spent a few minutes looking at imdb. I presume this is an American documentary, made in America and about American practices.

It also purports the philosophy that all beings on this earth - regardless of the species - are earthlings. This means that all living beings - be they humans, fish, animals etc - are all equal and that any mistreatment or subordination of other species (including eating them) is akin to different countries, races, creeds or sexes of humans mistreating others.

In other words, eating a burger is as bad as keeping blacks in slavery, as bad as the Nazis killing the jews or as bad as men not allowing women equal rights.

It's a load of hippy horse shit.

It only stops short of saying that carrots have feelings - and only because if the makers believed that they did, they would have to stop eating altogether and would therefore be dead.

Einhard

OutlawPete wrote: »

Dishes such as Steak Tartare

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
:(:(:(:(:(:(

UglyBolloxFace

OutlawPete wrote: »

No, raw meat is served in many restaurants. Dishes such as Steak Tartare, Lamb Carpaccio, Sushi, Sashimi etc are all 'raw'. Lots of cheeses these days are raw (unpasteurised). Parmesan cheese is raw and always has been and most coleslaw is made using raw eggs. You would be surprised how much people consume raw proteins without realising that that is what they are doing.

Interesting. What has you eating raw meat by the way, what made you try it? And do you only eat raw or do you also have cooked meat? I've heard of steak tartare - what's it like? (jebus, that's a lot of questions).

Einhard

Buceph wrote: »

I just spent a few minutes looking...

How do ye feel about horse meat...

UglyBolloxFace

starbelgrade wrote: »

It only stops short of saying that carrots have feelings - and only because if the makers believed that they did, they would have to stop eating altogether and would therefore be dead.

The above sentence makes you seem like a 'journalist' for the Daily Mail.

Amalgam

Einhard wrote: »

How do ye feel about horse meat...

Ireland exports loads of horse meat, we account for about %11 of the European input for horse meat. Mooney covered it on his programme a week or so ago.

I have an.mp3 if you want (2MB), but last time I linked, a mod removed it, not arsed linking again, interesting piece.

Einhard

Amalgam wrote: »

Ireland exports loads of horse meat, we account for about %11 of the European input for horse meat. Mooney covered it on his programme a week or so ago.

I have an.mp3 if you want (2MB), but last time I linked, a mod removed it, not arsed linking again, interesting piece.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucephalus

starbelgrade

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

The above sentence makes you seem like a 'journalist' for the Daily Mail.

And the film - which compares our treatment of animals to being akin to fascism - makes the Daily Mail sound like Mein Kampf.

I realise that what I said was an exaggeration. However, the makers of "Earthlings" were worryingly 100% serious.

Buceph

starbelgrade wrote: »

It also purports the philosophy that all beings on this earth - regardless of the species - are earthlings. This means that all living beings - be they humans, fish, animals etc - are all equal and that any mistreatment or subordination of other species (including eating them) is akin to different countries, races, creeds or sexes of humans mistreating others.

In other words, eating a burger is as bad as keeping blacks in slavery, as bad as the Nazis killing the jews or as bad as men not allowing women equal rights.

It's a load of hippy horse shit.

It only stops short of saying that carrots have feelings - and only because if the makers believed that they did, they would have to stop eating altogether and would therefore be dead.

Yeah, I get that. Ridiculous load of crap.* Which is why I tried to bring the thread around to the discussions of where Irish farming and Irish meat could end up, especially if people keep buying the cheapest stuff they can find in supermarkets. The best way to go doesn't even mean going to farmers' markets and buying from crusties, just going to a butcher and buying Irish. Good for Ireland, good for you as it's much tastier than what you would get in the supermarket.

And it doesn't have to be more expensive. Butchers (good butchers anyway) will carry more cuts of meat than a supermarket will. Butchers here still tend to buy meat directly from a trusted farmer. And while most have put their slaughtering business off premises, or even gone into a co-op with other butchers, they still have a hand in the slaughtering and butchering of the meat. This means they have more meat to sell, including the cheaper cuts. And if you go for those cuts, you don't have to spend a lot of money. Just make a stew or curry on a sunday night, freeze it or put it in the fridge, and you'll be feed two or three nights at your leisure.

Amalgam wrote: »

Hmm Buceph, probably okay with beef and pork, but as a meat eater, I baulk at the sludgy, anaemic blob that passes for chicken in some of the supermarkets.

Amuses me when people say, you're safe with chicken..

Cheap meat = race to the bottom, both for animal welfare and the quality of food inserted into the customer's mouth.

I don't get this lack of connection from people, if you're paying €4 for two chickens from a supermarket, what do you expect?

You can taste the difference, if you've ever got a chicken from a relative\farmer\'proper Farmer's Market', or home layed eggs (especially eggs), small bantam eggs, yum.

Yeah, it's really only happened with chicken in the Irish market so far. But you can be guaranteed that the second it's cheaper for those supermarkets to get beef and pork from factory farms, with bad practices, they're going to start trying to sell it to people. I think we're lucky enough that the Irish beef industry got it's thumb out with the BSE crisis and started really selling the safety and quality of Irish beef. (And it's true, Irish beef is literally some of the best in the world.)

I just think people need to be wary of what the supermarkets are pushing. They're already squeezing the farmers extremely hard.

Einhard wrote: »

How do ye feel about horse meat...

Edit: I don't quite get where you're going with that or if it's just a riff on my name* but personally, I wouldn't eat horse, or have no desire to anyway, I might be tempted if someone put it in front of me. But that's because I grew up with horses as friendly animal. It'd be a bit like eating dog. Happy for other people to do it, not going out of my way to try it.


*Good spot btw. I actually studied Alex the Great for the Leaving Cert.

UglyBolloxFace

Amalgam wrote: »

Ireland exports loads of horse meat, we account for about %11 of the European input for horse meat. Mooney covered it on his programme a week or so ago.

I have an.mp3 if you want (2MB), but last time I linked, a mod removed it, not arsed linking again, interesting piece.

Could you email that to me please? uglybolloxface -at- gmail.com. Thanks.

starbelgrade

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Could you email that to me please? uglybolloxface -at- gmail.com. Thanks.

I just emailed you a rasher sandwich.

UglyBolloxFace

starbelgrade wrote: »

I just emailed you a rasher sandwich.

Checked my inbox...was expecting a .jpeg!:pac:

UglyBolloxFace

By the way, to those of you who may think that killing these animals is necessary and a way of life - some of them are killed by a technique known as 'anal electrocution'. And yes, it is exactly how it sounds. Now, am I the only one who thinks that's disgusting and appalling?

starbelgrade

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Checked my inbox...was expecting a .jpeg!:pac:

It's a WinRar file. It's a big sambo, so I had to compress it.

UglyBolloxFace

starbelgrade wrote: »

It's a WinRar file. It's a big sambo, so I had to compress it.

Oh there it is - http://morebaconplease.com/bacon-pictures/pics_giant-bacon-sandwich-wild-turkey.jpg

starbelgrade

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Oh there it is - http://morebaconplease.com/bacon-pictures/pics_giant-bacon-sandwich-wild-turkey.jpg

Damn you. I just tried to eat my screen.

Saila

starbelgrade wrote: »

It only stops short of saying that carrots have feelings

they do damn it :mad:

*cries*

OutlawPete

hondasam wrote: »

you would be easy to cook for

Well, I do still like extremely rare steaks with pepper sauce

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Interesting. What has you eating raw meat by the way, what made you try it? And do you only eat raw or do you also have cooked meat? I've heard of steak tartare - what's it like? (jebus, that's a lot of questions).

Long story, but yeah, I do sill eat cooked meats from time to time, but will try to eat them as rare as I can. Steak tartare is lovely when seasoned right. I prefer carpaccio though, lovely with a salad. If you have never tried raw fish before, try and get Ceviche if you can, it's beautiful.

Kokoro beside the Ha'penny bridge is great for sushi and sashimi.

Karona

OutlawPete wrote: »

most coleslaw is made using raw eggs. You would be surprised how much people consume raw proteins without realising that that is what they are doing.

Raw cookie dough.... mmmmm

The Gnome

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

...a technique known as 'anal electrocution'. And yes, it is exactly how it sounds.

Highly erotic? :pac:

BlueBaron

ah will you stop, were born to kill man!..its just the cycle