The need for a United States Of Europe?

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Might be worth pointing out that those US military bases in Germany contribute to the local economies.

The united states is over 14 trillion in debt and struggling with a downgraded economy. You believe that the USA is spendind ovr 152 billion a year on foreign military bases like the 73 in germany just to be nice and take care of the german local economies? , They are spending billions building schools and hospitals after bombing them to the ground and killing over 100,000 people while citizens in the USA are in a vicous health care debate with a large degree of poverty and a weakening US dollar. So you believe the USA is just being nice? Does that really make sense to you?
Given the facts can you explain why USA would give a damn about helping out the germans?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

No WAY.
We have far too little democracy already as it is.

I couldnt agree more, thats my point that considering we have the same legal system ALREADY so why would it not be better to have a united country rather than a country that is being told to accept immigrants from differnt countries and not just different states,i dont have a problem with immigrants but i work for a company with over 150 people, It has more foreign people employed than irish. ive not seen the exact numbers but it appears that as an irishman working in a company ireland i am now a minority. i get along with everyone i work with but it bothers me thinking back to when i was on the dole and actively looking for work that there are foreigners in jobs while irish people cant get work.

The reason it does not bother people in the USA about people looking for work in different states is because they are all one country. Are the irish people on the dole looking for work supposed to feel that way about people who are taking jobs in their place from Poland and hungary and probaly Serbia soon and also Bangledesh ,india and china rest of the world under the ECJ rulling of non EU parents?

In the USA they have state laws and federal which completely identical to how we have NOW EU laws and state laws. its my understanding that obamas healthcare reform act applies to all states and the states that tried to reject it and are in a legal battle as they are in conflict with federal laws by doing so. But we could retain our own state laws as long as they abide by EU laws like we do now. So what would change? we would control our own justice,healthcare and education system the same as we do now.

• We would just have a united army and use it to police our own countries and not the world
• work together to develop a proper renewable energy programme for Europe
• Have a more closely regulated european baking system
• Share the burden of debt which i think is the most equitable option considering there is plenty of blame to go around. Ireland ,Greece,Spain had crooked bankers that borrowed too much money they could not afford and the ECB were crooked and stupid enough to throw money at these countries because if it all went tits up the individual countries would have to suffer the debt , they could not have got away with this if we were a united europe because then all european countries would burden the debt more equally and so their actions wouyld be held more accountable.
• A stronger euro with out he need of huge IMF bailouts at such high interest rates. In the usa some of the worst hit states have been given investment to help them recover NOT LOANS. We are given loans with high interest rates because we are not all one country but a foreign divided union of countries.

To summarise we have all the negatives of having a united states of Europe with any of the positives AT THE MOMENT.

sensibleken wrote: »

you do realise that soldiers arent trained as policemen right? besides the irish are well known as being very good peacekeepers

You do realise we could change that by training them to be both police men and soldiers. They would be asked to join military campaigns if required and if not would work as members of our police force. This would not cost anymore money and would make Europe a much safer place to live,and would this not help fight the so called war on terror that supposedly exists in parts of europe? So what if they are good peacekeepers? how do you define "good"? for years there has been UN troops from european countries in congo,sudan,africa and what good has come? The people put in power in the congo ran a campaign of rape and murder which is still an everyday occurance and an outright crisis in the congo despite the presence of UN troops, There ws still war in Cote DI voire despite holding elections which where apparently corrupt, Recent killings afer democratic elections in nigeria with corrupt senators being paid a salary of $2 million while the people live in poverty and its oil resouces are raped and exploited by Europe and USA, War again about to erupt between North and South Sudan, Look at the uneven distribution of wealth across the world, the reality is the USA and Eu wnated to rid African of violence and starvation they would be able to do so if they agreed to spread the wealth more, but they dont want to because we want the oil,gold,diamonds. The UN is an charade and i dont see why people from the USE should be continued to be used as target practice when we could just develop a renewable energy program and put our fellow citizens to better use?

DoubleBogey wrote: »

Why would the likes of Germany, France, UK want to carry the dead weight of the weaker countries? It makes mo sense whatsoever. The USA is a country divided into states but what you are talking about is devaluing countries to the status of states of the USE. I ask again, why would a country such as Getmany want to do that? Their having a tough time as it is accepting their obligation to the single currency by providing loans, even though the loans are paid back with interest.

The united states are not a country of divided states. It is a country if united states which is why it is not called the divided states of america, because it would stablise the euro and help it grow to become a more dominant currency against the us dollar. Europe would not be in this position if we had an accountable united government in the eurozone. From what i heard its mostly german bondholders that we are paying back we are just getting high interest rate loans from the imf to do it. I could be misinformed on that i do believe the fact that we are not united gave a license to crooked bankers to act like ministers of finance in all eu countries who were not to be held accountable for theri actions. Imagine the outrage in the USA if troubled states had borrowed too much money on credit and the federal government had loaned to much to the amount of hundreds billions and then those states had to borrow more money at a high interest rate and struggle with the debt on their own? Would the federal government in power survive? No and they would probaly struggle to seize power again which is why the same situation did develop in the states as in Europe. Yes the USA is in debt but there are various other reason such as their addiction to war and insistance on occupying oil rich countries rather than developing a renewable energy resource. The banking crisis that has led to countries like germany having to help us out is a product of its environment and i think germany would be more interested than anyone in seeing a stable euro zone.